Japanese whaling and racism

[Thiele]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=e8lvep0-Ii0

Seriously, what's gone wrong with this world, we're trying to stop whaling, and we get called racist!? What in the 🤬 has defending animals got to do with race? That video's been headlining on the news and everywhere here. Another point is we are the most multicultural country in the world. How could we be racist? In my opinion accusing us of being racist is racist themselves. I am really getting tired with the ignorance and racism here. I agree that we shouldn't be killing kangaroos and stuff but they are being worse so what are they on about?

What are your thoughts on this issue?

 

[JCE]

The fact that they are calling you guys over there racists for an issue related to AMIMALS is just sad. And saying people should go vegitarian because "we are the cruelest animal" would be actually worse. You'd have to force population control of the animals that we would no longer eat because they would have free reign to reproduce at astounding rates. We would be FORCED to eat them to at least maintain some sort of population control. I say we eat those people for poetic justice and be done with it.

 

[BayConRong]

actually it has more to do with culture. they have been doing that for hundreds of years. and knowing that the japanese wouldn't do something as stupid as send the whales into extinction why are you so angry? is there a sudden large and dangerous increase in plankton?

no i don't agree with the whaling of humpback whales because they are already endangered japan shouldn't be able to decide things like which whales get added but some whales aren't endangered and if the population isn't dangerously low why does it matter?

the japanese post world war 2 consumed estimated 250k tons of whale meat per year. this was because japan lacked any ability to buy food or hunt enough fish. millions starved to death anyways.

if the japanese kept this practice of thier seasonal hunt inline with tradition: using the hand held harpoons, used their kayaks and caught about 1 whale per 70 hunters would you be so angry? that would be about 14 whales per 1000 which could keep your average japanese male alive for about 2 or 3 days.

the reason the person posted that movie was rather offtrack and doesn't quite make sense... it's saying that condemming the japanese for whaling is rather hypocritical and that australians should be focusing on how the dingo are dying.

 

[Solid Lifters]

What are your thoughts on this issue?

There are definitely some racial overtones in those hypocritical messages.

Whale meat is num num.

 

[Thiele]

actually it has more to do with culture. they have been doing that for hundreds of years. and knowing that the japanese wouldn't do something as stupid as send the whales into extinction why are you so angry? is there a sudden large and dangerous increase in plankton?

They do it cruelly and it will send them into extinction because they are already endangred.

no i don't agree with the whaling of humpback whales because they are already endangered japan shouldn't be able to decide things like which whales get added but some whales aren't endangered and if the population isn't dangerously low why does it matter?

Again, they do it cruelly which is illegal anyway.

the japanese post world war 2 consumed estimated 250k tons of whale meat per year. this was because japan lacked any ability to buy food or hunt enough fish. millions starved to death anyways.

I'm not sure what your point is there.

if the japanese kept this practice of thier seasonal hunt inline with tradition: using the hand held harpoons, used their kayaks and caught about 1 whale per 70 hunters would you be so angry? that would be about 14 whales per 1000 which could keep your average japanese male alive for about 2 or 3 days.

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the reason the person posted that movie was rather offtrack and doesn't quite make sense... it's saying that condemming the japanese for whaling is rather hypocritical and that australians should be focusing on how the dingo are dying.

Yeah, but dingoes aren't dying at all. Kangaroos maybe but not dingoes. I do admit though that we shouldn't kill kangaroos.

 

[AOS-]

It's the food chain. Why shouldn't we eat what we like? A better question is that Why are you eating chicken or Cow or fish? They're animals too...

Okay if it is endangered then that I believe is an exception.

 

[Thiele]

It's the food chain. Why shouldn't we eat what we like? A better question is that Why are you eating chicken or Cow or fish? They're animals too...

To be honest i don't agree with eating any animal, but whaling is MUCH, MUCH worse.

 

[Danoff]

To be honest i don't agree with eating any animal, but whaling is MUCH, MUCH worse.

Whaling is not that bad. It's just fishing, for really big fish. I can see reasons why it's useful to not completely eradicate a particular species of whale, but the dingo? Dingos are pests right? Who cares? Kill them all. Kangaroos are pests too if I remember correctly - and aren't they out-of-control population-wise?

The video was written by someone who seems very confused and cynical. Human instinct is not the only reason to eat animals - health is a good reason. And killing animals is not inherently evil unless you can give me a good reason that they should have rights. Preservation of species, by the same token, is not inherently good. Some species die out without any human intervention at all. Others probably should die out, and we should not feel bad about helping them.

 

[TopHat]

People think its wrong because most of the world has given up on it.

 

[Blake]

I agree that we shouldn't be killing kangaroos

Uh, why?

 

[GT Pro]

And knowing that the japanese wouldn't do something as stupid as send the whales into extinction..."

Oh, really? I wouldn't be so sure about that.

the japanese post world war 2 consumed estimated 250k tons of whale meat per year. this was because japan lacked any ability to buy food or hunt enough fish. millions starved to death anyways.

That was then, now is now. You don't lack the ability to do so now, so how does that relate to the current situation?

if the japanese kept this practice of thier seasonal hunt inline with tradition: using the hand held harpoons, used their kayaks and caught about 1 whale per 70 hunters would you be so angry? that would be about 14 whales per 1000 which could keep your average japanese male alive for about 2 or 3 days.

So you're implying that the 'average Japanese male' depends on the eating of a whale in order to stay alive? I don't think so.

 

[Gashlycrumb]

It's the food chain. Why shouldn't we eat what we like? A better question is that Why are you eating chicken or Cow or fish? They're animals too...

Okay if it is endangered then that I believe is an exception.

Chicken and Cows have been domesticated for centuries and are bred specifically for consumption. Whales on the other hand are a vulnerable species.

The Japanese are not claiming it is their customary right to harvest whale, they are doing it under the auspices of research. The whale meat they sell is just a byproduct of their research.

To claim that they are being targeted on the basis of race is just a diversionary tactic in my opinion.

 

[Casio]

Uh, why?

I'm complelely bias given my occupation, but I also refuse to eat Kangaroo. I think it's just wrong how we slaughter such a uniquely Australian animal, and our national emblem at that. It's akin to me going to America, shooting a Bald Eagle and cooking it.

 

[Danoff]

I'm complelely bias given my occupation, but I also refuse to eat Kangaroo. I think it's just wrong how we slaughter such a uniquely Australian animal, and our national emblem at that. It's akin to me going to America, shooting a Bald Eagle and cooking it.

Bald Eagles are/(were?) an endangered species. Plus, kangaroo probably has quite a bit more meat on it. Also, eagles don't run out in front of cars.

 

[Danny]

I find that video absolutely ridiculous.

Racist indeed.

 

[FoolKiller]

Um, that video is.....since I don't know whether it was calling Australians racist, calling dingo and kangaroo kill cruel, or defending whaling I don't know what to say about it.

I love how they have the whole, "who says what cruelty should be allowed," and then goes on to talk about the horrors of killing dingoes and kangaroos while defending killing whales.

Whatever their point was it was pretty biased on all respects.




Out of curiosity, mainly because I like to eat meat, does anyone know if whale and kangaroo are any good?

 

[Solid Lifters]

Um, that video is.....since I don't know whether it was calling Australians racist, calling dingo and kangaroo kill cruel, or defending whaling I don't know what to say about it.

I love how they have the whole, "who says what cruelty should be allowed," and then goes on to talk about the horrors of killing dingoes and kangaroos while defending killing whales.

Whatever their point was it was pretty biased on all respects.




Out of curiosity, mainly because I like to eat meat, does anyone know if whale and kangaroo are any good?

I've been trying to purchase some whale and dolphin meat for the longest time. I do research on it every once in a while. The only luck getting it is from a friend who lives in Alaska. Several tribes up there have been allowed to hunt, possess and eat whale meat. A few other tribes along the Pacific Coast have been allowed to hunt for whales, too.

Another bet is Canada. However, it wont be fresh whale meat. Usually, a few cans of canned whale meat make it in from Iceland, which comes in from Norway.

However, it's not illegal to have or eat whale meat in the USA, there's a good chance it will be taken away and given a DNA exam to see if it's an illegally taken whale, which regardless the outcome, you'll never get your meat back. If it's an illegally taken whale, it's off to jail you go.

With so many whaling ships hunting and taking illegal whales, no vendors or meat markets will deal with the stuff here in the States.

 

[FoolKiller]

The temptation to start keeping a diary of every kind of meat I have eaten, and what I think of it, is huge.

If I were more of a world traveller (as in going to more countries than Canada) I bet I could make a truly interesting book.

 

[Danoff]

The temptation to start keeping a diary of every kind of meat I have eaten, and what I think of it, is huge.

If I were more of a world traveller (as in going to more countries than Canada) I bet I could make a truly interesting book.

So far I've never had any meat that I thought beat out a nice juicy side of beef.

Chicken? No. Turkey? No.
Goose
Duck
Ostrich
Shark
Lobster
Crab
Salmon
Trout
Bass
Catfish
Venison
Clam
Oyster
Scallop
Muscle

No no no.

Hmmm... maybe Veal... nah.

Not all of those are equal though - not by a longshot.

 

[FoolKiller]

So far I've never had any meat that I thought beat out a nice juicy side of beef.

Of course, how it is treated, cooked, and prepared can have a huge affect. I have had venison that tastes almost exactly like beef and then I had it where it tastes extremely gamey. Being around hunters I know the difference is 90% in the field dressing, how soon after death it is done, and how neatly it is done play huge roles. Plus, I am positive that hanging it in the tree out back for a few days (something my neighbor does too frequently) does not help the quality at all.

I truly wonder if we had an efficient farming and butchering method for more wild animals if the taste would improve. I know buffalo comes very close and I think it would be really close with a mass butchering and processing system. Same for Ostrich and Emu. Nice fillets, but if we can have a fast process it should be good.

Chicken? No. Turkey? No.
Goose
Duck
Ostrich
Shark
Lobster
Crab
Salmon
Trout
Bass
Catfish
Venison
Clam
Oyster
Scallop
Muscle

No no no.

Rabbit makes the best white chili I have ever had, but stew doesn't measure up. And honestly, I think if I could live my life having red snapper (very tasty) one day and steak the next I would be happy. I may substitute snapper for Mahi Mahi if necessary, but red snapper is clearly the best fish I have ever tasted. I can't wait for Lent so I can restock my seafood for cheap.

I wonder, does whale count during Lent? I have to ask my wife.

Hmmm... maybe Veal... nah.

Veal is beef, just baby beef. Veal also goes through the same systematic raising (albeit shorter) and butchering processes as beef.

I have to admit though, it is hard to beat a well seasoned medium rare to medium steak.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Ever eat buffalo? It's fantastic stuff. Ostrich ground up isn't bad either.

Though, nothing beats a porterhouse or prime rib roast, in my book.

Dear that eat wild grasses, and such, taste 'gamey' while dear that eat man-planted grass taste better. But the biggest thing to make dear less gamey is to not puncture the piss bladder or entrails during field dressing. Also, you need to bleed the animal quickly and completely, and do it as soon as possible.

 

[Casio]

Bald Eagles are/(were?) an endangered species. Plus, kangaroo probably has quite a bit more meat on it. Also, eagles don't run out in front of cars.

What does it matter how many of them are left? Unless people breed Kangaroos specifically for the purpose of human consumption (Which, as far as I'm aware, they don't), you actually have to go out and shot wild roo to get it.

If it's more acceptable to eat one animal because they're more plentiful then we should be eating a lot more human than Kangaroo.

 

[Danoff]

What does it matter how many of them are left? Unless people breed Kangaroos specifically for the purpose of human consumption (Which, as far as I'm aware, they don't), you actually have to go out and shot wild roo to get it.

If it's more acceptable to eat one animal because they're more plentiful then we should be eating a lot more human than Kangaroo.

Some species are interesting and beautiful and worth preventing from becoming extinct. Others kinda suck and few people care. The bald eagle is one that people seem to care about, which is why we don't hunt them.

In general, it is more acceptable to eat plentiful animals than animals that are not. But there are reasons to ignore that. One of them being basic human rights.

 

[Casio]

Some species are interesting and beautiful and worth preventing from becoming extinct. Others kinda suck and few people care. The bald eagle is one that people seem to care about, which is why we don't hunt them.

In general, it is more acceptable to eat plentiful animals than animals that are not. But there are reasons to ignore that. One of them being basic human rights.

Obviously which species suck and which are beautiful are subject to individual opinion. I just find it funny how society in general thinks it's fine to kill something for food until they start becoming endangered, then have the complete backflip of 'We must save these beautiful creatures!'.

 

[somebody]

What does it matter how many of them are left? Unless people breed Kangaroos specifically for the purpose of human consumption (Which, as far as I'm aware, they don't), you actually have to go out and shot wild roo to get it.

If it's more acceptable to eat one animal because they're more plentiful then we should be eating a lot more human than Kangaroo.

There are only a handful of kangaroo farms. Most kangaroo meat comes from wild 'roos, and only licensed commercial hunters may kill kangaroos for meat and/or their hide.

When kangaroo meat was first commercially produced their were about 20-25 million kangaroos. There are now around 50 million. Not exactly a threatened species yet.

 

[Danoff]

Obviously which species suck and which are beautiful are subject to individual opinion. I just find it funny how society in general thinks it's fine to kill something for food until they start becoming endangered, then have the complete backflip of 'We must save these beautiful creatures!'.

You don't think that makes sense? It makes perfect sense to me. We want to be able to eat them, but we also want to be able to observe them in their natural habitat. Best if we can have our animals and eat them too.

 

[Keef]

We need to get this cloning thing on the fast track. That's just the bottom line.

 

[Venari]

We need to get this cloning thing on the fast track. That's just the bottom line.

Whoa. That's a whole different kettle of whales. You don't want to go there.

 

[niky]

Cloning would be a perfectly acceptable way to farm meat... even better if we can clone an animal's muscle tissue and just grow our meat-food in vats.

RE: Steak... I don't know... a well-prepared Lamb dish tastes just about as good to me... of course, I'm more of a fish person, myself... smoked salmon is my life...

For me, it's all about sustainability. If you want to eat whale, make sure you farm whales in a renewable manner. Hell, we already eat the second- or third-smartest mammal alive, in huge quantities... pigs.

 

[V1P3R]

Not home and this puter isn't up to date on stuff so I couldn't watch.

Either way, even though we may find it offensive it's part of their (Japanese, I don't know about Austrialia) and well... old habits die hard.

As for Cloning... I don't really feel like going there.

And yes I'm against fishing for anything in the sea.