Joey's New Desktop Purchased!

[eSZee]

Good one.


In the real world, what's the benefit for having an SSD over a good HDD? Saving 5 seconds here and there? Some benefit that is.

You're arguing with the wrong person. I'm not telling Joey to get the SSD nor am I for the SSD.

 

[nick09]

It all depends on Joey, not petty arguments on the internet, if he wants the features of an SSD or not.

 

[Azuremen]

I know from REAL people like to have windows boot faster and people who work in a business like to work with a faster machine and get their work done faster. I know REAL people who like the idea of using an SSD drive to have that 10 second boot up to check the internet quickly for email and then quickly shut the computer down to go and tend to other priorities.

Oh my. Not sure what I can say.

I do reboot my computer... umm, once a week. So that 10 seconds a week adds up.

People at businesses, especially offices, would have far more notable gains in productivity from simple being trained on how to use copy and paste commands properly. And SSD would be wasted on anything short a of a professional design studio.

FPS has nothing to do with it.
He will not get close to the same performance with regular HDDs in raid, not in the real world. Gotta remember that.
He will save what money? $50? SSD HDD for storage will run him what, $160?

FPS was an example of getting off to meaningless numbers. Which apparently went over your head. Dang. I am surprised.

Yeah, he can do a 2 or 3TB RAID 0 setup.

Or get a 64 GB SSD.

For the same price. See the different numbers. See how some people might care. Especially someone that wants to access their images because they do photography? Dang, you don't want to put 200+ gigs of images on your SSD that you'll be accessing often. Do you?

No.

Real world. Figure it out.

You're arguing with the wrong person. I'm not telling Joey to get the SSD nor am I for the SSD.

Then why are you here arguing about it?

It all depends on Joey, not petty arguments on the internet, if he wants the features of an SSD or not.

Get a bunch of people to disagree. Call it petty and duck out.

Dang. I thought you were a committed, certified tech person. My bad.

 

[Sharky.]

Wasn't trying to argue with you SZ, rather making a counter-point to the (somewhat widespread) idea that SSDs are a country mile faster than HDDs and therefore make everything a million times quicker. In practice the speed difference isn't likely to make any significant difference - at best you'll save five seconds here and there, and most people can wait five seconds anyway.

 

[eSZee]

FPS was an example of getting off to meaningless numbers. Which apparently went over your head. Dang. I am surprised.

Who was the first person to bring up meaningless numbers, equal performance, FPS and getting off on it all?

Yeah, he can do a 2 or 3TB RAID 0 setup.

I'm not good with RAID but raid 0 is the one where 1 dead drive = data wiped from all drives in the array, right? So run 2-3 HDDs in an array that has tripled the failure rate for each drive in order to get a performance bump that you are deeming as not worth it on the SSD?

For the same price. See the different numbers. See how some people might care. Especially someone that wants to access their images because they do photography? Dang, you don't want to put 200+ gigs of images on your SSD that you'll be accessing often. Do you?

No.

Joey went with an SSD as his first choice and later said he was ok with paying for it. Whether he knows about RAID or not, assuming no since he didn't mention it even though he has a stash of HDDs.

Then why are you here arguing about it?

Same reason you are it seems, except I'm not trying to sway Joey away from his initial choice nor am I making unsubstantiated claims.

So what else have I said/missed that clearly shows what an ignorant dumbass I am? Please, do point it out.

Wasn't trying to argue with you SZ, rather making a counter-point to the (somewhat widespread) idea that SSDs are a country mile faster than HDDs and therefore make everything a million times quicker. In practice the speed difference isn't likely to make any significant difference - at best you'll save five seconds here and there, and most people can wait five seconds anyway.

It just came out wrong. Sorry.
Like i said, SSD is not worth it for me but Joey said he liked what he saw.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yeah, he can do a 2 or 3TB RAID 0 setup.

Or get a 64 GB SSD.

Like Casio said, it would be a good idea to back up those HDDs so factor in for a 2/3 TB drive.

Get a bunch of people to disagree. Call it petty and duck out.

Dang. I thought you were a committed, certified tech person. My bad.

Actually he made a good point. The ultimate decision lies with Joey. Only he knows if fast boot times, etc. are worth it for him. Not everyone runs their computer 24/7.

 

[Joey D]

I already have 2 7200rpm 120GB in Raid for my OS drives and while they are fast would like to upgrade and no I don't mind paying for it. I have discussed with a buddy of mine about possible doing Raid with the SSD drives, but we are both finding some pretty sketchy information out on the net concerning it.

I've also opted out of a video card to put the money into something else. It dawned on me that I have a GTX 260 in my media PC which I know could be replaced with a lower end card.

Oh and I'm totally going for 16GB of RAM because you know, why not?

 

[Casio]

I have discussed with a buddy of mine about possible doing Raid with the SSD drives, but we are both finding some pretty sketchy information out on the net concerning it.

I highly recommend against doing this, as you lose TRIM support with SSDs in a RAID-0 configuration, greatly reducing the performance of the drives over time.

 

[Joey D]

That's what I've been reading but I'm seeing things that say you'll be fine. I think I want to error on the side of caution though.

 

[eSZee]

I already have 2 7200rpm 120GB in Raid...

Ahhh, good to know.

 

[Casio]

That's what I've been reading but I'm seeing things that say you'll be fine. I think I want to error on the side of caution though.

There was a badly worded press release for Intel based motherboards which said something like "TRIM now supported for SSDs for machines with a RAID configuration". What it actually meant was if you had another RAID array (Say 2 HDDs) on the same controller as a SSD, that SSD can support TRIM, but not if that drive is RAID'd with another.

 

[Joey D]

That's good to know, I think I'm going to opt out of the RAID SSD's for the time being and just go with one 120GB drive. I keep reading that people are running out of space on 60GB one and even the 80GB ones are having some issues. It looks like 120GB will give me room to spare.

I picked up the processor this morning from Microcenter, they were having a two day sale and the i5 2500K was marked down to $149.99, considering it's over $200 most places I've looked it seemed logical to save at least $50 and go for it. Also with getting it at the store I wasn't dung for an $8 shipping charge.

I think I'll be ordering the rest of the stuff Sunday, I'm still playing around with some of the components for a better cost to performance ratio.

 

[Joey D]

New computer has been purchased, details in the first post!

 

[Keef]

Coolermaster HAF 922 - $99.99

That case is only $89.99 now. I considered it when I got mine but at the time it was about $30 more expensive than the Storm Scout, which I got. At the moment it's only $8 more expensive which is a good deal for supposedly more airflow and quieter fans. The Scout has top and front 140mm instead of 200mm but it's still very quiet and flows a lot of air. The handle is just love, btw. Details bro. Only problem is it's 2 inches taller because of the handle...

 

[Joey D]

I didn't like the case, they had one at the local Microcentre and it wasn't the route I wanted to go. I'm sure the Rosewill will be good enough, it's going to have 5 exhaust fans on it.

 

[Keef]

Only use the fans you need, and use the biggest one that will fit in that spot. Bigger diameter = lower rpm = same airflow but less noise. Also, filters if you can put them in. My Scout case has been fully filtered by yours truly and it's damn near spotless in there right now.

 

[Joey D]

I'm going to be running 4 120mm fans and one 140mm one. That should do the job I think. My current case has two 80mm and a 120mm, so this is a total upgrade.

 

[bergauk]

Fans aren't really an upgrade unless you NEED airflow. I honestly doubt you need that much airflow, or noise. But have fun with it. My computer has 2 fans and it runs just slightly above whatever the ambient temperature is.

 

[Joey D]

More airflow is never a bad thing, I'd rather have too much than not enough.

 

[Azuremen]

More airflow is never a bad thing, I'd rather have too much than not enough.

It is a pointless amount of fans. Pointless. Unless you like noise.

And they probably won't help airflow that much - solid cable routing and having the flow setup correctly is more important than the number of fans.

 

[Joey D]

It is a pointless amount of fans. Pointless. Unless you like noise.

And they probably won't help airflow that much - solid cable routing and having the flow setup correctly is more important than the number of fans.

True. I got the extra two 120mm fans for if I need them, which I'm anticipating I will. If they aren't needed I can at least swap out the blue LED ones for the black fans I got. Seriously LED fans are irritating.

 

[bevo]

It is a pointless amount of fans. Pointless. Unless you like noise.

And they probably won't help airflow that much - solid cable routing and having the flow setup correctly is more important than the number of fans.

I have 6 fans in mine, and the only one I hear is the GPU fan on my gtx 570. That thing is way to loud. I've set my own curve in afterburner, and it's tolerable, but I would love to have it silent. 500$ for liquid though, is more then getting rid of the noise is worth.

 

[Azuremen]

I have a single case fan, life is good.

 

[Casio]

More fans basically allows an increase of overall CFM while maintaining a lower DBa level. All depends if you need it or not. It's never a bad thing to have more airflow, but you do get a diminishing returns at a certain point.

 

[Keef]

Like these guys said, you don't need that many fans. My case has a 140mm pulling air in around my hard drive and up underneath the graphics card, and above that it just has a mesh front panel with two rear fans - a 140mm on top and 120mm on back. My stock Intel CPU fan is just audible over all the others combined, and they move tons of air. Even while pumping heat they never loud enough to bother me. The airflow makes sense - bottom to top, front to back. Simple. Those cases that have fans pushing and pulling every which direction just creates a bunch of turbulence inside. They move a lot of air but it's not really doing anything.

Typically, bigger diameter = lower rpm = less sound per volume of air moved. That's why I say you should use both 140s (I assume one in front and one on top rear) and another 120 in back.

EDIT: As for GPU noise, I can't even hear my Gigabyte 560 until the fans are 70%. Their cooler design is stellar.

 

[Joey D]

So I got the computer together tonight, it's amazingly fast. It goes from completely off to fully booted into windows in less then 15 seconds, SSD FTW! My Windows score ended up being 7.5 which is pretty good, quite the upgrade from my 5.7 I had before.

 

[Keef]

Lol, mine is still 5.9 because of my old hard drive. Everything else is solid!