John F. Kennedy Assasination. Conspiracy?

Mopar Muscle

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Well, it's been forty years, and many theories have been composed to try to answer why Lee killed Kennedy. Since Lee H. Oswald was murdered shortly after the assasination, no one really knows the exact motive for the murder. What do you think was the motive for the assasination?

Heres what I believe:

Oswald had much respect for Fidel Castro, the new leader of communist cuba. The Kennedy administration was seeking to get rid of Castro, which was a threat to the future of communism in cuba. Oswald, a marxist who believed in communism, then decided to become a political assasin, which he did, on November 22, 1963.
 
You actually think Oswald did it? I'm a follower of the LBJ theory.

Did you see the The Men Who Killed Kennedy show on the History channel recently? My English teacher for the past two years was on it--Ed Tatro.
 
There is absolutely no way in hell Oswald did it. There is so much evidence showing that he didn't do it. For instance the number of bullets fired in the time it took is also huimanly impossible for one person.

LBJ had plenty of motive to have Kennedy picked off and he had the means to do so. Chances are LBJ was going to be seeing some jail time due to innumerable pay-offs and such in the Senate had he not become president. And there was no way he was going to become president unless Kennedy was assassinated.

Check out that program on the History Channel, they'll show it all the time. It'll tell you a lot more than I can.
 
Actually, three shots from the bolt action rifle that Oswald used is possible in under 8.0 seconds. Oswald was also a skilled sharpshooter, he served in the u.s. armed forces and a look at his records show that he was a very good shot.

There is solid proof that oswald was the only shooter, the motive is still unclear though.
 
How did you read all of that in 2 minutes? And how can you disregard solid evidence by saying "it's probably wrong"

And do you know that a sharpshooter is nothing special? It's not the top level of markmen you know. Just middle of the road, and Oswald was barely (by 2 points) a sharpshooter. On one occasion he didn't even qualify as a marksman, which is the lowest level of marksmanship.

I'm not asking you to believe that LBJ was the main man in the assassination, but you can't seriously believe Oswald was the sole gunman.

I'm actually dumbfounded.

And check ouf the Backyard Photos section here. It basically shows how pictures of Oswald were doctored up. Why would this be done?

http://home1.gte.net/res0k62m/cover-up.htm
 
So, I've got a story.

There was this fellow, in the armed forces. And while he was in the armed forces, he decided he liked being a Communist. He tried passing his Communist beliefs off on his army buddies, which didn't go over too well, and he was discharged. So he decided to go to Russia where he could be a Communist and be with all the other Communists. So he goes to a US Embassy in Russia, goes in, and surrenders his passport and all his US identification, saying he wanted to be a Communist Russian.

So a few years later, the guy goes back to the US Embassy and tells them that he wants his passport and US identification back. By some miracle, they'd actually kept it, and they gave it to him. Then he told them he wanted a free ticket to the US, which the embassy has to do because he's an American citizen. So they granted that wish, and gave him the free ticket. Then he tells them he also wants a ticket for his new (Russian) wife - since she married him, she's now an American citizen also. So, fine, the US Embassy has to do it, and they pay for the wife's ticket too.

The man was Lee Harvey Oswald - his wife was his wife.

Tell that story to your kids.

We all know what really happened was the theory mentioned in "JFK." If the Warren Commission didn't suck so much, we might not have even cared about all this 'conspiracy' crap.
 
I don't reckon it was a conspiracy, I think it was just a single person who didn't like JFK, and happened to have a gun at the precise time he happened to be in wherever it was he got shot.

Like Lennon - didn't someone shoot him from in a sewer?
 
Originally posted by Idiot Racers
I don't reckon it was a conspiracy, I think it was just a single person who didn't like JFK, and happened to have a gun at the precise time he happened to be in wherever it was he got shot.

Like Lennon - didn't someone shoot him from in a sewer?
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So then it is a conspiracy unless you think Oswald did it.
 
Well, I don't really care about the whole ordeal, but I'd venture a guess that there were two gunmen. Judging from the "evidence" (I don't know if it really is) I've seen/heard, it doesn't really look possible that this guy could've done it alone.

I know for a fact that even if you qualify with a perfect score, if you don't practice enough your accuracy will go away, and even if he did practice, there's always the "cold shot" (First shot of the day from the rifle) factor. If your rifle and scope aren't setup perfectly, your cold shot will be off. Also, temperature, elevation, humidity, and many other factors can have a large effect on cold shot accuracy.
 
The "Lone Gunman" theory behind the assissanation of Kennedy is laughable. Especially from a terminal ballistics point of view.

There is NO chance in hell a bullet can travel through so much fleash and bone and end up in such a pristine condition. I'm referring to the "Magic Bullet" theory. It is complete hogwash.

LBJ arranged the murder of Kennedy, without a doubt in my head. Kennedy was a drug addicted playboy who ran our country from his own narrow-minded point of view. He almost caused a nuclear war with Russia, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry for his loss, but we needed him out of the White House. I wished they had the time to take him out a different way.
 
Originally posted by Ghost C

I know for a fact that even if you qualify with a perfect score, if you don't practice enough your accuracy will go away, and even if he did practice, there's always the "cold shot" (First shot of the day from the rifle) factor. If your rifle and scope aren't setup perfectly, your cold shot will be off. Also, temperature, elevation, humidity, and many other factors can have a large effect on cold shot accuracy.
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One shot did hit a bystander, and another (the 'first') entirely missed the car and landed on the sidewalk.

The Warren Commission ruled three bullets had been used, leaving that third bullet to have created seven wounds, which, from the angle and direction of the wounds, would've been plainly impossible, not to mention that the bullet which "created" those seven wounds emerged from governor Connolly completely unscathed, despite having shattered bone and made several mid-air turns, while keeping up momentum.

LBJ arranged the murder of Kennedy, without a doubt in my head. Kennedy was a drug addicted playboy who ran our country from his own narrow-minded point of view. He almost caused a nuclear war with Russia, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry for his loss, but we needed him out of the White House. I wished they had the time to take him out a different way.
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Yeah - and LBJ was much better.

Fortunately, you're a southern Californian, so nobody cares what you've got to say. Phew!
 
Originally posted by THE GAME
acutally, they showed something on court tv with modern equipment that says the magic bullet theory really is possible
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So? It's also possible for someone on the moon to get a hole in one on the 10th hole of Pebble Beach Golf Course, provided the golf ball survives reentry into the earth's atmosphere.
 
Originally posted by THE GAME
ermmmmmmm........it really is possible but i wont try to influence waht you believe..........
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No, go ahead. I missed this show. I would like to hear what they said.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
The Warren Commission ruled three bullets had been used, leaving that third bullet to have created seven wounds, which, from the angle and direction of the wounds, would've been plainly impossible, not to mention that the bullet which "created" those seven wounds emerged from governor Connolly completely unscathed, despite having shattered bone and made several mid-air turns
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Three shots were fired, all from Oswald, the first shot missed, the second went through Kennedy's neck and into gov. connolly, and the third went into Kennedy's head.

There was no "magic bullet," the shot that went through kennedy's neck struck connolly under his right shoulder blade and exited 2 inches below his left nipple. this is how that was possible:

connolly was sitting eight (8) inches in fom the car door, he was also five (5) inches below kennedy, in a lower seat. connoly turned to the right after hearing the first shot, and then the second came, going through kennedy's neck and into connoly.

Three bullet shells were found in the book depository, all from oswald, the bullets all came from the same rifle, this was prooven by the microscopic scratches on the bullets by the barrel of the bolt action rifle. If I remember correctly, the rifle was purchased through a sweedish mail order for $12.95.
 
What was the length of the barrel? What caliber bullet was used? And, if possible, anybody know the bullet type (FMJ, JHP, etc) & weight?

By the way, Mopar, evidence can be faked, test results can be faked, anything can be faked.
 
I have done a bit of terminal ballistic testing of my own for hunting purposes. I have fired all sorts of calibers from various ranges, and I can tell you this much. The bullet found in pristine condition is the bullet that went through Kennedy's neck and into Connelly. There is no way that bullet can end up with no nicks, sratches or deformation. I have fired .308 caliber bullets that were 180gr.in weight with FMJ (Full Metal Jacket), to .223 50gr. FMJ into pure wet newspaper, and most of the recovered bullets had deformed into a "mushroom" type shape, and the rest showed signs of other severe deformation. Again, this is soft wet newsprint, with no bones. You can add bones from the local butcher in front of the wet newspaper to mimic the structure of an animal, but first you test in plain wet newspaper to weed out the bullets that will frag to easily.

In order to get a fired bullet that will have little to no marks or deformation, you need to shoot it in pure water. True, the human body is mostly water, but we have bones, dense muscles, cartlidge and tendons. There is no way a high powered bullet can travel through all that and not get deformed. This pristine bullet (Magic Bullet) that was recovered traveled through nothing but pure water.
 
Originally posted by Mopar Muscle
Three shots were fired, all from Oswald, the first shot missed, the second went through Kennedy's neck and into gov. connolly, and the third went into Kennedy's head.
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Assuming the third shot came from the book depository, behind and to the left of Kennedy, why did his head jerk back and to the left? And, better yet, how did the remaining bullet cause the wound to Kennedy's neck, then go around to Connolly's back then turn again and shatter Connolly's wrist, then turn once again and go into Connolly's thigh?
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Assuming the third shot came from the book depository, behind and to the left of Kennedy, why did his head jerk back and to the left? And, better yet, how did the remaining bullet cause the wound to Kennedy's neck, then go around to Connolly's back then turn again and shatter Connolly's wrist, then turn once again and go into Connolly's thigh?
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I have seen the footage of Kennedy getting shot. The last shot did come from the rear, exiting out his forehead. The reason why his head jerks back is because of the way the muscles and tendons attach themselves to the back of the human head.

If you LIGHTLY hit yourself in the back lower part of your head with your hand, you will see what I mean. You have to be very relaxed to make it work. Your head jerks back, not forward. If you try to high up, the head jerks forward.

I once saw a picture of the back of Kennedy's head. The bullet entrance wound was on the left lower side of the back of the head, and the bullet exited through his right forehead. This angle of shot doesn't work from the book depository. There must have been another sniper behind and to the left of the book depository.
 
Originally posted by Solid Lifters
I have seen the footage of Kennedy getting shot. The last shot did come from the rear, exiting out his forehead. The reason why his head jerks back is because of the way the muscles and tendons attach themselves to the back of the human head.

If you LIGHTLY hit yourself in the back lower part of your head with your hand, you will see what I mean. You have to be very relaxed to make it work. Your head jerks back, not forward. If you try to high up, the head jerks forward.

I once saw a picture of the back of Kennedy's head. The bullet entrance wound was on the left lower side of the back of the head, and the bullet exited through his right forehead. This angle of shot doesn't work from the book depository. There must have been another sniper behind and to the left of the book depository.
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Well, you are the medical expert - proving wrong even the most obvious of camera footage!

You know, Jackie Kennedy jumps to the back of the limo to get a part of Kennedy's head which landed on the trunk when he was hit from the front.
 
Originally posted by Solid Lifters
I have seen the footage of Kennedy getting shot. The last shot did come from the rear, exiting out his forehead.

If you LIGHTLY hit yourself in the back lower part of your head with your hand, you will see what I mean. You have to be very relaxed to make it work. Your head jerks back, not forward. If you try to high up, the head jerks forward.
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if he got hit in the back of the head where is the enrty wound in the photos shown in this site?
http://home1.gte.net/res0k62m/cover-up.htm

If it was a conspiracy then even the autopsy photos will be fake and we will be guessing forever
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Well, you are the medical expert - proving wrong even the most obvious of camera footage!
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I'm not proving it wrong, I'm affirming it. Bullet entrance wounds are very small, unless the bullet tumbles in flight before impact. This was not the case. How do I know? The brain and skull fragments exploded outward, and not inward. Bullet exit wounds are larger, the have more visable trauma than entrance wounds. This can be seen clearly in the footage.



You know, Jackie Kennedy jumps to the back of the limo to get a part of Kennedy's head which landed on the trunk when he was hit from the front.
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Yes, a piece of skull that flew up from the top of his head from the exiting bullet, and then flew back since the car was moving forward. So?
 
I watched some program on friday night about JFK which managed to prove in a very convincing way how Oswald was the gunman, it did take a look at some of the ideas behind a conspiracy and shown how it was fairly unlikley.

the most convincing part that almost proved it all by itself was a 3d computer model built from using camera footage and real-life dimensions.
it shown by drawing a straight line how the 2nd and 3rd bullet did what they were supposed to have done, and that the magic bullet theory was just bought up because of a lack of knowledge of kennedys seating position aswell as the man sitting in front of him.
with the model they shown how the second bullet could easly have traveled straight through them.

There was some stuff about how Oswald had an inferiority comlex caused by his past. he attempted to assasinate a government person and failed, in desperation to make a mark in history he so much wanted he went for somthing big. Jfk.
as told by friends and relatives.

also ballistics tests shown that the scratches and grooves on the side of the bullet were identical to other rounds fired from the same rifle.

there wasa load of other stuff and although it hasnt 100% convinced me it was Oswald as there was some other things that did point to conspiracy, it did make me realise how maybe the theory of a conspiracy probably just popped up out of coincidence,
speculation and rumors more than anything.
 
I watched the same piece on the Kennedy shooting and came out convinced as well. The 3d footage shows exactly how it happened and lines up perfectly with the shooter's perch in the schoolbook depository. They explain the motions of the heads Kennedy and the governor. They also show how it was totally possible to get off three shots from the rifle in 7 seconds (which is 1 second less than it took oliver).

I'm pretty sure it was oliver acting alone. He was given sharp shooting awards in the military and he had tried to kill another political figure previously but failed.

I encourage anyone who still thinks that it is a conspiracy to somehow get a copy of that show and watch it carefully.
 

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