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[Madbigdog]

Hey everyone, Duarte here! I'm the guy who played as Hun200kmh tonight!

Just hoping here on the thread to thank you all again for letting me take over for hartur this round! I enjoyed racing around with you all, was a lot of fun!

And also, congratulations for this incredibly fun format! Fun cars, multiclass and short intense races is a great combo, and a serious test to the drivers' adaptability, as the cars are very different to each other.

If you ever need a super sub again, let me know!

 

[GTP_RPREGO]

Hey everyone, Duarte here! I'm the guy who played as Hun200kmh tonight!

Just hoping here on the thread to thank you all again for letting me take over for hartur this round! I enjoyed racing around with you all, was a lot of fun!

And also, congratulations for this incredibly fun format! Fun cars, multiclass and short intense races is a great combo, and a serious test to the drivers' adaptability, as the cars are very different to each other.

If you ever need a super sub again, let me know!

You are too fast Duarte! Please slow down a bit to make racing more fun

Joking, congrats for your superb driving you raise the level of this series

 

[IfAndOr]

If you ever need a super sub again, let me know!

Yeah, you can drive for me permanently and then all the other drivers will think I've greatly improved. But shush, don't tell anyone so they won't know.

It was good to have you along. There's often a space available due to the guys having to do something in real life, we've never quite had a full 16 yet.

 

[richroo]

Don't need words :

 

[Hun200kmh]

Ok, quick recap:

Race 1 (GT5) - Followed Napalm and Ricardo closely for some time but at some point they "traded paint" and slowed. I had nowhere to go so taking avoiding action I went into a gravel trap. Time lost to extricate myself out of there left me last with some distance (many seconds) behind everyone else. Lonely race to the end, last place.

Race 2 (GT3) - Was granted pole position and after a couple of laps I had gained some distance. The guys behind were fighting it out, I bet it was fun. Lonely race to the end, first place.

Race 3 (GT4) - A FANTASTIC race! Joe went away and took a deserved win, while we in the chasing group (Ricardo, Paul, myself) kept a race-long fight to the end. Paul took a more circumspect (you guys use this word right?) approach to it but me and Ricardo we really pulled no punches against each other. As I commented (I guess Ricardo was a bit worried) it was tough but fair, no malice just some robust "not giving an inch" driving. Lap after lap we reached corner one side by side and although I was fearing one of us would "bite the dust" it just never happened, somehow we kept going at it. There was even one lap when it was a three wide hard braking into corner one (Paul on the left, Ricardo on the right, me in the middle ) and again we all managed to survive it and keep going! I really hope Ricardo is able to get that replay on youtube, I'd like to see it.

Finally, some quick words:

Happy to see Duarte racing with us, I knew he was quick of course but not being a Pcars2 player (ACC/PC and iracing are his preferences) I imagined he would have some adjusting to do, apparently he was very quick to learn the quirks of this game.

Paul, not sure if you are ending this now or if we're still going to Dubai. Whatever the case I will tell you that although with very limited personal success I really enjoyed this format. Yes, we're limited by numbers and yes I'd like to race the entire field and have battles with rich, and Simon and raeggee, and half and Don and Max and ... everyone! But multiclass is challenging and fun. So .. what I'm saying is, don't give up on this for a future idea, maybe adjust it a little. I would (well, I will ) suggest some tweaks to this format if/when you decide to return to multiclass:

a) ditch the teams. I know you like them (you had this even in the Caterham Cup, when I met this fantastic and friendly group) but it is very difficult to make them evenly matched and you really dont need them. Instead go for the idea (correct in the real world of motorsports) of multiclass racing providing also multiple champions. In this case the multiple champions would race all three classes but there would be a champion by group.

b) alternatively, take a leaf from Zolon's creation and (without teams) make the allocation of drivers to groups work as the handicap system, meaning a dynamic one, changing weekly. As an example, first three from group A in any given week remain in Group A, 4th and 5th get demoted to Group B. 1st and 2nd from group B get promoted (next week) for Group A, while 4th and 5th get demoted to C, 1st and second from C get promoted to B ... and always the points are awarded by finishing position within the group, so you can have a championship (and points) for individual racers.

Again, I do respect the time and effort (and the responsability to ALWAYS be there) it takes to be the organizer of a online cup or champoinship, and I have not enough words to express how much I am thankful that you are willing to be THAT guy in this group, so just take these ideas as a modest (and honest) contribution for whatever you might be mulling over this experience. As always, whatever you decide is fine by me, as long as I'm able to I don't intend to give up racing online with you guys.

 

[Napalm_LT]

Ok, quick recap:

Race 1 (GT5) - Followed Napalm and Ricardo closely for some time but at some point they "traded paint" and slowed. I had nowhere to go so taking avoiding action I went into a gravel trap. Time lost to extricate myself out of there left me last with some distance (many seconds) behind everyone else. Lonely race to the end, last place.

Yes, we had few close battles with Prego with a little shift in the elbows but fairly enough I think. Turned on PS4 yesterday to watch replay - damn I forgot to save it

 

[IfAndOr]

Actually all 3 races were pretty good for me. At some point during them I was having a few close battles with other drivers. Joe comes to mind in the first 2 and then Mario and Ricardo in the final one, although there were others.

I've got all 3 replays (I think) so perhaps I'll do a edited video if I get chance. It does take quite a bit of time though!

don't give up on this for a future idea, maybe adjust it a little.

While the multicar/class idea does have its problems I haven't given up on it. It might be back in a different format, perhaps fairly soon. And teams? Again it has problems with balancing and absences but the team idea is quite popular so it again might be revisited - but tweaked. I did mention Europe Vs UK, that's a possibility that might work quite well.

b) alternatively

Funnily enough something similar to your idea has been cooking along on a back burner for a while. Perhaps I need to turn the heat up and be less circumspect.

Again, I do respect the time and effort (and the responsibility to ALWAYS be there) it takes to be the organizer of a online cup or championship

It does take some commitment and indeed time. I'm glad of the help from Half with the scoring otherwise it would add more complication for me. And of course if everyone enjoys it (well at least some of the time) it makes it all worthwhile.


And as for Dubai? I don't think anyone is going to catch the Tequilas now so I might as well end the championship just a little early.

So well done to Joe, Simon and Half on their well earned team victory.
And thanks for those who took part in this slightly crazy idea. ​

Instead of starting something brand new next week I think I'll just run some short test races in a few of the cars I have ideas for. Or perhaps even Mr @Zolon32 might want to try his ideas out? If he's back from the Highlands in time.

I do have a (much simpler) series planned but an extra week will give me time to finalise it. Mainly typing up the GTP page really, which I haven't got around too yet.


@tal - Which DLC packs for PC2 do you have? I don't think you have them all so I'll try to not pick cars/tracks from them. I suppose the same question is applicable to any "newcomer". I know the regulars have mostly everything.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Well I know for a fact that "Hun200kmh" has everything so that makes two of us

EDIT - Congratulations Joe, Simon and Half, you guys earned it! 👍

 

[Napalm_LT]

While the multicar/class idea does have its problems I haven't given up on it. It might be back in a different format, perhaps fairly soon.

Maybe 2 clases instead of 3, wider/longer tracks and longer races - 2 instead of 3?

 

[tal]

@tal - Which DLC packs for PC2 do you have? I don't think you have them all so I'll try to not pick cars/tracks from them. I suppose the same question is applicable to any "newcomer". I know the regulars have mostly everything.

I don’t have any DLC yet, but I’m planning to get the “season pack” this week, which seems to include all of them.

 

[IfAndOr]

I don’t have any DLC yet, but I’m planning to get the “season pack” this week, which seems to include all of them.

I don't think it's on offer at the moment so it might be best to wait until it's on sale, it's much better value then. Buying the deluxe version of the game when it's very cheap will also give you all the season pass DLC.

 

[r_outsider]

I don’t have any DLC yet, but I’m planning to get the “season pack” this week, which seems to include all of them.

Believe there's one pack you have to buy that's only available after you get the season pass (Motorsports pack I think?). And the Japanese pack is separate as well. It's annoying.

 

[tal]

I don't think it's on offer at the moment so it might be best to wait until it's on sale, it's much better value then. Buying the deluxe version of the game when it's very cheap will also give you all the season pass DLC.

Thanks! I see at the moment the season pass is at 29.99€, so I presume not on sale.

 

[IfAndOr]

Thanks! I see at the moment the season pass is at 29.99€, so I presume not on sale.

No, the season pass isn't on offer very often. PC2 deluxe however is regularly on sale for around €10 or less so it'll be worth waiting for that. You do, I believe, get the Motorsports pack with that but, like Mr Outsider says, not the Japanese pack. That's extra and never seems to be on sale - although it's not very expensive to begin with.

 

[IfAndOr]

To those who like to do a little testing beforehand... For Monday give the Road cars class E, F and G a try out. And possibly Road D as well depending on if we have time.

I'm planning a possible handicap series for sometime in the future so it'd be good to know other drivers lap time during races. I have tested them but my times/abilities may differ. The series will be a sort of faster drivers in slower cars, not so fast drivers in faster cars affair.

Road G - BMW 2002. Ford escort. And maybe the Toyota (either) - we're going to be using that quite soon anyway! On paper the Escort would appear to be outclassed but it's surprisingly quite close in performance.

Road F - All of them really. There's 3 originals plus the Japanese pack Honda. The FWD cars are fastest and easiest to drive. The 4WD both have similar lap times but drive slightly differently.

Road E - BMW M1. Mercedes A45. Both about the same speed but behave differently.

Road D - Probably the Jag, Aston and the Camaro. This is not fully decided. These are faster again.


And the track? We'll use Sugo. It's not to long or complicated and has a bit of everything. 5 to 7ish lap races. Silverstone National

Penalties and tyre wear/fuel off for testing. TC and ABS allowed. Stability control off - unless it's thought needed.

 

[GTP_RPREGO]

To those who like to do a little testing beforehand... For Monday give the Road cars class E, F and G a try out. And possibly Road D as well depending on if we have time.

I'm planning a possible handicap series for sometime in the future so it'd be good to know other drivers lap time during races. I have tested them but my times/abilities may differ. The series will be a sort of faster drivers in slower cars, not so fast drivers in faster cars affair.

Road G - BMW 2002. Ford escort. And maybe the Toyota (either) - we're going to be using that quite soon anyway! On paper the Escort would appear to be outclassed but it's surprisingly quite close in performance.

Road F - All of them really. There's 3 originals plus the Japanese pack Honda. The FWD cars are fastest and easiest to drive. The 4WD both have similar lap times but drive slightly differently.

Road E - BMW M1. Mercedes A45. Both about the same speed but behave differently.

Road D - Probably the Jag, Aston and the Camaro. This is not fully decided. These are faster again.


And the track? We'll use Sugo. It's not to long or complicated and has a bit of everything. 5 to 7ish lap races.
Penalties and tyre wear/fuel off for testing. TC and ABS allowed. Stability control off - unless it's thought needed.

Paul, can we use the pick-up truck un Road G? Looks awesome 😀

 

[IfAndOr]

Paul, can we use the pick-up truck un Road G? Looks awesome 😀

You can certainly use it to have some fun in it. However I'm not planning on using it in the series. Well not this one anyway!

 

[IfAndOr]

I joined in a practice session with many of our Portuguese friends last night using the cars I mentioned above and I learned a few things.

Firstly I might need to start leaning Portuguese.
Also that the Escort might be just a bit too slow and it's probably best to introduce the Toyota. Needs further testing
The group D cars will I think be used, it'll provide a greater spread of cars for the handicap system.

My handicap system provisionally is -
Each meeting everyone would start in any of the Group F cars. If you finish on the podium (top 3) you'd drop down a class for the next race. If you finish last you get promoted 2 car classes. If you you finish in the next 2 lowest places you get promoted 1 car class. Group F will have 4* cars to choose from, the others will have 2**. As the meeting progresses the cars and drivers would hopefully intermingle and each meeting should be slightly different with varied winners.
* If you have the Japanese pack. The Honda is the fasted if you need any incentive.
** I need to remove a group D.

Again this is only an idea for a future series but if it seems very popular (and works!) i might promote it to a nearer date.


Edit: I forgot to say that I also learned that instead of Sugo I think I'll swap to Silverstone National for the test races, being a little wider it's a bit more suitable.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Paul, I guess in all classes the cars are very different, so whatever class we end up racing with in any particular race it'll be wise to race the best available car.

So ...

In Road G, the BMW is faster than the Escort, and the Toyota faster than both.

In Road F the Honda is much faster than any of the competition. Second comes the Megane, then the Audi A1. The Mitsubishi is useless agains all others

In Road E again there's some difference. Didn't have much time with these but I think the BMW is faster (maybe more difficult to drive) than the Merc A45

So I think Road D is probably the only class where going for the Jag or the Aston will be a matter of preference, they are very similar (the Camaro is useless against those two, unless TCS - which I didn't use - changes things).

My two cents

 

[IfAndOr]

In Road G, the BMW is faster than the Escort, and the Toyota faster than both.

A lot depends on the circuit I found. The Escort is usually the slowest yes, but the mid range turbo punch of the BMW helps it beat the 86 on occasions.

In Road F the Honda is much faster than any of the competition. Second comes the Megane, then the Audi A1. The Mitsubishi is useless against all others

I'd agree mostly with this however I got on quite well with the Lancer in that it was roughly on par with the Audi. I think maybe it's our different driving styles. I might drop the Honda out yet since not everyone will have it so therefore it could be a little unfair - also its pace is approaching that of the road E cars so the handicapping looses a bit of balance.

In Road E again there's some difference. Didn't have much time with these but I think the BMW is faster (maybe more difficult to drive) than the Merc A45

Yep that's about it. When the Merc is really pushed it can be a little faster.

So I think Road D is probably the only class where going for the Jag or the Aston will be a matter of preference, they are very similar (the Camaro is useless against those two, unless TCS - which I didn't use - changes things).

Again different styles probably in that I found the Jag slightly the quickest and the other 2 equal times.

so whatever class we end up racing with in any particular race it'll be wise to race the best available car.

I'm going to try and promote the racing more than the winning with this series. So it's hopefully about picking a car in which you can get close competitive battles rather than getting to the front. If you finish on the podium you'll get the extra points* but you'll also be penalised with a slower class for the next race, so that's worth considering. Tactics maybe?
That's why there will be a choice of cars. Plus of course some drivers will get on with some cars better than others. I know reaggee mentioned he didn't like the Megane.

* @half_sourly I'll have to discuss this with you at some point.

 

[IfAndOr]

A little update for this evening. I tried a car yesterday that I didn't think would work, the Ford Mustang, and it did. Quite well actually, it lapped around the same time as the BMW at Sugo.
So instead of the Toyota (which I'm planning on using elsewhere) I'm replacing it in Road G with the Mustang. It sort of goes along with the BMW 2002 as a vintage type of car and will give a good alternative to the BMW's driving style.

Also the Camaro in Road D is dropped (for the moment at least). While I enjoy driving it immensely (Zolon you'd love it) it does take quite a lot of throttle control - which isn't so good when there are other cars around you.

And instead of just testing individual cars we might as well run the meeting fully to see how it all pans out. So therefore we'll all start in a Road F car and work from there. It will allow me to change and tweak things if needed.


So hopefully I'll see you all later. I'm sure there will be spaces for anyone who is available.
And we might as well relax the mics off rule since I need the feedback.

 

[half_sourly]

@IfAndOr so what is the final list of cars for the various categories?

 

[Napalm_LT]

@IfAndOr so what is the final list of cars for the various categories?

and what are rules in general because I am confused? Does it mean someone will use modern road car while another guy will use old race car in the same race?

 

[IfAndOr]

@half_sourly the final list isn't quite fully sorted, tonight should help with that. But for now it is Group D - Jag and Aston. Group E - BMW 1M and Merc A45. Group F - All. Group G - BMW 2002 and Ford Mustang.

@Napalm_LT the general format tonight are short-ish races with car changes for some in between. I'll try to explain over the mic, it'll be easier. But anyway we all start in a group F car of your choice. And yes there will be a variety of car ages.

Edit. I forgot to say at Silverstone. The National layout to begin with but I might swap later.

 

[IfAndOr]

Following our races last Monday I've add a bit of change of mind for the next series. Everyone seemed to quite like the X-Bow so I'm going to utilise that more. Plus the Caterham 7! There's also another car that I'd like to try out, a Radical.

If anyone if free tonight I'll fire up a lobby to run a few test races to see if the concept works before I post up a thread. It'll be X-Bow v Seven then maybe a dash of Radical.


The road car handicap idea is on the back burner again awaiting a bit of tweaking.

 

[IfAndOr]

Right, after many car tests, changes to the format and multiple tweaks I've decided to go with a different idea altogether for the next series!

CLICK HERE to take you to the new thread. It's a much simpler than the Ginettas. Just the 2 cars and no teams. Everyman for himself.

I've not tagged everyone so if you're interested come on over and let me know.


I'll be getting back to the X-Bow at a later date since that was also enjoyable.

 

[Hun200kmh]

I don't want to make a big deal out of this so not opening a new thread (Paul hope you don't mind me using this thread to get in touch with everyone in the group). So here goes:

I am thinking about hosting a small endurance race tomorrow (May 6th) starting at 20:00. 2 hours, with a full day-night-day cycle, starting with a wet track, going dry and ending again wet. Damage on (not full, but performance impacting). This would work as a test for a Endurance Series (few races and far between, outside of the events being run on Mondays) sometime in the future. Tuning allowed. tyres and fuel accelerated so strategy is needed. The lobby will accept all human players interested in taking part and the remaining grid slots will be filled with AI (90/30) so it's 16 cars guaranteed on track (Endurance requires a constant flow of traffic).

I am still unsure if this works properly but should any of you gents get bored midrace I think you can pit, hand over the car to the AI and watch the rest of the race from the couch.

Now, about the car and track combo, I have 3 very different ideas and so that'll be decided in-lobby by vote. The options are:

1- Caterham 7 / Bannochbrae (it would then be a very british single make race)

2 - GT3/Nurburgring GP+Nordschleife (whatever car you prefer within this class, I will open the race to GT4 but all humans should pick a GT3 and leave it to the AIs to pick whatever GT4s show up on the grid)

3 - LMP2 /Daytona Road Course (whatever car you prefer within this class, I will open the race to GT3 but all humans should pick a LMP2 and leave it to the AIs to pick whatever GT3s show up on the grid)

This is all very work in progress and many details are still undecided. Also I understand I'm placing this race tomorrow evening so very short notice but the fact is that saturady I will travel and will be away for a week, so it's my last chance to play something I like for a few days.

I will however need to know if there are any takers for a one-off event such as this. I also know it is a departure from many of the settings we are all used to by now but do remember a long race isn't necessarily a boring race, you just have to engage into a different mindset, where strategy is important and overaggressiveness doesn't get you anywhere but the pits or a enraged disconnect.

So, if any of yous are interested just post here and if we reach a critical mass (I'd say half the field as a minimum, but have no firm idea on it) we have it greenlighted.

EDIT - All interested please state what race option you prefer (1, 2 or 3) when you post your reply here. Thanks

 

[Madbigdog]

I'll join! I'm always up for some endurance running!

My preferences are the inverted order in which you presented the suggestions, so:

1 - #3, LMP2s; if not
2 - #2, GT3s; and lastly
3 - #1, Caterhams.

If anyone wants to practice a bit tonight, I'm also available!

Cheers and thanks for the iniciative!

 

[half_sourly]

I'd be up for that.

I've done endurance races in Gran Turismo where you can take a natural break by not making a tyre choice in the pits; the crew don't start working until you do. Is there a way to create a break in PC2?

Preference: 3, 2, 1

 

[IfAndOr]

I'm probably going to be available.

2 hours in a Caterham around B-brae with damage on would certainly keep the concentration level high! Bit exhausting though. And we've just had a brief spell with some GT3s. So that leaves the LMP2s and I do like a nice Ligier. It's also got a roof for when it rains.


Any qualification? This will make the meeting a bit longer of course.

Is there a way to create a break in PC2?

The manual pit stop option will do that. It'd be ideal for a longer race. You do have to remember to drive in and out though. And also remember not to speed into the pitlane - especially at Daytona.