Katiegan's Garage | Winter Plans

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I would say losing around a quart between oil changes with 7.5-9k OCIs is considered okay on a higher mileage engine.

I've replaced the cam cover gasket twice now, and it still seems to be weeping from there. I cleaned all the surfaces properly and used plenty of gasket sealant, so I'm starting to think maybe something is warped slightly (either the cam cover or head) causing it to not seal properly. Maybe it got a little too hot when the radiator went?

It looks bad but it hardly loses any oil on the dipstick. It's hard to clean the excess oil off the engine too, so perhaps the worst of it is old oil still on the engine. Ah well, I'll just carry on until Greenpeace contact me for killing the local wildlife.

I imagine the car comes with a rubber valve cover gasket? If so I would stay away from the sealant, it will only make matters worse. Rubber gasket, tighten down the bolts and it should be fine. If your car has overheated it's fully possible the head is warped or cracked but usually that will result in internal oil consumption, not leaking.

If the oil leakage stems from the valve cover gasket I imagine the engine is pretty greasy? Woof.. Remove that silicone sealant, new gasket, properly clean down the engine bay and see if the leaking continues. And please, mount/source the trim in the front bumper.. :D
 
The funny thing is they use oil even when they're not incontinent. My 100HP remains the only car I've owned that needed regularly topping up with oil. Not excessive amounts, but I used to check it every 1000 miles and top it up each time - usually it would have gone from the middle point between the two dipstick marks to the lower mark. Worth it though, because that engine was cracking.

Yeah, which makes me think it might not even be leaking that much. I've tried cleaning the engine off with the steam cleaner at work before but it's hard to get a good angle without putting the car on a ramp, and I don't want to use the steam cleaner inside and flood the place.

Speaking of 100HPs, I've got my heart set on buying one. It'd only be an extra £4 a month for insurance. I just can't find the money to buy a decent one at the moment.

I imagine the car comes with a rubber valve cover gasket? If so I would stay away from the sealant, it will only make matters worse. Rubber gasket, tighten down the bolts and it should be fine. If your car has overheated it's fully possible the head is warped or cracked but usually that will result in internal oil consumption, not leaking.

If the oil leakage stems from the valve cover gasket I imagine the engine is pretty greasy? Woof.. Remove that silicone sealant, new gasket, properly clean down the engine bay and see if the leaking continues. And please, mount/source the trim in the front bumper.. :D

When I changed the gasket the first time I didn't use any sealant, and it started leaking straight away, so that's why I used sealant this time. Doesn't look like either makes a difference. :lol:

Like I said, it's really difficult to clean the engine properly without having it up on the ramp. Might have to see if my boss will let me use the steam cleaner inside to try and properly clean it.

And yes, I'll get the trims for the bumper eventually! £40 for a small piece of plastic just breaks my heart though.
 
Brake cleaner's good for the engine. Evaporates really quickly but cleans well.

Oil leak could be worse though. EP engines in Peugeot 207s (among other Peugeots) burn about a pint of oil every thousand miles. Not sure if the new turbo versions in the GTi's are any better, but the early N/A units are utter rubbish. Makes the Ecotec unit in my Corsa look reliable!
 
Try 1 litre per 300km. That's what the MR2 was using before I replaced the engine. Had to check the oil before I drove it each time. Road trips would require a stop after 450km to top up. That was before it was using so much.
 
Try 1 litre per 300km. That's what the MR2 was using before I replaced the engine. Had to check the oil before I drove it each time. Road trips would require a stop after 450km to top up. That was before it was using so much.

Reminds me of my old death machine KE70 (in my avatar). It could go through a quart in two days, a hundred miles or two. Albeit mostly sideways at valve floating rpms.. :D
 
Spent this morning sorting out some electrical gremlins with Carlos.

We've struggled with a parasitic drain since buying back in December, although it's been a bit difficult to figure out. Before my parents bought the car we put a brand new Bosch battery on since the old one wasn't holding charge at all and was a cheap old unit. The stereo also had a switch underneath that someone had fitted, which I automatically presumed was because the stereo was draining the battery. The previous owner had put an aftermarket SatNav system in, and then just thrown in a standard CD player to sell it, including that switch. Unfortunately for me, this guy had no idea what he was doing. We also tested the battery for a drain before my parents bought it but the only current we found being drawn was 0.02A, which isn't anything that'd drain a battery super quickly. So, we left it to monitor it.

We've also been having fun with the aerial. The current aerial on the car isn't the one it came with from factory, and neither is the stereo. They're both standard SEAT units but not the ones the car came with, as I found out after calling the dealer yesterday. The car came with a Nav aerial but not a Nav stereo (which even the guy at the dealer said was strange), it came with a Bluetooth stereo. The cables for the aerial don't fit the base that's on the car, so at the moment my parents are limited to BBC Radio 1 (occasionally) and Radio 2, as it can't pick up any local stations. The Nav aerial that should be on the car costs £115, and a normal aerial costs... £16. Ordered the normal aerial which should be coming on Monday, so hopefully my parents can listen to more than two stations!

Now, back to that battery drain. For the first few weeks, everything was fine, the car started up fine and it seemed like the drain was gone. My dad took the switch out and it seemed to make no difference. Over time however, it began to get worse. My mum would come home from work on a Friday afternoon and park Carlos up, then my dad (who works nights) would come to use it Sunday night and the battery would be totally dead. Luckily we live at the top of a fairly steep hill so it was easily bump started, but it's not the nicest way to get the car going again. Eventually, it got to the point where leaving Carlos for barely 24 hours would cause the battery to be completely flat. A few days ago I had to get up early and go to my dad's work and help get it started because it was flat.

So today was the day I'd (hopefully) try and sort whatever it was that was killing poor Carlos...



The lower wiring with the big red wire is the mess the previous owner left behind for the stereo.



The red wire had been used for the switch for the live feed, so I took that out and connected the original wires back together. I suspect the previous owner thought the drain was coming from the live feed, and stuck that switch in there. There's also another unnecessary wire, the smaller black one, which I have no idea what was for. The pin it was connected to in the plug wasn't an original pin, and the wire ran along to the fuse board but wasn't actually connected to anything in there. I took it out, but still left some wire in the plug in case we find it was for something and need to connect it back up.



And now for what I believe/hope was the actual drain...



A black and blue wire that had been chopped, and a random live feed stuck in there. This is the plug for the Climatronic/heater controls, not the radio. Unfortunately the laptop at work with all the specialist software isn't working at the moment so I wasn't able to find a wiring diagram for the Climatronic (Google only brought up the older Climatronic in the first Leon) and find out what that live feed was for, because I connected the black and blue wires back up and it all works fine without that live connected. I tested the live with a probe and it's a constant live even with the keys out of the ignition, so that must've been something to do with the drain. But it looks like a factory live, since the loom didn't look to be tampered with, so it's a bit of a mystery. I'll speak with the auto electrician on Monday and see if he has any wiring diagrams I can look at. For now, here's the plug neatened up and the live taped up.



Put it all back together (and replaced a few trim screws that were missing :rolleyes:) and tested everything out, and everything works fine so far.



Put the battery on charge, cleaned inside and out while I was waiting, job done. Fingers crossed this will be the end of Carlos' battery woes and my unwanted early starts rescuing him...
 
Good investigation work. Wiring can be difficult especially on modern car and when someone else has messed with it.

Having a wiring diagram helps but it can be hard to find the diagram for the exact car. I'm working off the USDM SW20/21 diagrams for my JDM model. 90% is the same but the other 10% isn't and can be hard to figure out. Much easier to do when you have the car in front of you and can test wires.
 
Good investigation work. Wiring can be difficult especially on modern car and when someone else has messed with it.

Having a wiring diagram helps but it can be hard to find the diagram for the exact car. I'm working off the USDM SW20/21 diagrams for my JDM model. 90% is the same but the other 10% isn't and can be hard to figure out. Much easier to do when you have the car in front of you and can test wires.

The software that we have makes you enter the car's model code, engine code and gearbox code so the wiring diagrams can be as accurate as possible. Unfortunately it's on an old netbook we have that's starting to show it's age and, ironically, has a faulty battery, so I wasn't able to get one. Everything still works so we'll see how it goes!
 
Spent this morning sorting out some electrical gremlins with Carlos.

We've struggled with a parasitic drain since buying back in December, although it's been a bit difficult to figure out. Before my parents bought the car we put a brand new Bosch battery on since the old one wasn't holding charge at all and was a cheap old unit. The stereo also had a switch underneath that someone had fitted, which I automatically presumed was because the stereo was draining the battery. The previous owner had put an aftermarket SatNav system in, and then just thrown in a standard CD player to sell it, including that switch. Unfortunately for me, this guy had no idea what he was doing. We also tested the battery for a drain before my parents bought it but the only current we found being drawn was 0.02A, which isn't anything that'd drain a battery super quickly. So, we left it to monitor it.

We've also been having fun with the aerial. The current aerial on the car isn't the one it came with from factory, and neither is the stereo. They're both standard SEAT units but not the ones the car came with, as I found out after calling the dealer yesterday. The car came with a Nav aerial but not a Nav stereo (which even the guy at the dealer said was strange), it came with a Bluetooth stereo. The cables for the aerial don't fit the base that's on the car, so at the moment my parents are limited to BBC Radio 1 (occasionally) and Radio 2, as it can't pick up any local stations. The Nav aerial that should be on the car costs £115, and a normal aerial costs... £16. Ordered the normal aerial which should be coming on Monday, so hopefully my parents can listen to more than two stations!

Now, back to that battery drain. For the first few weeks, everything was fine, the car started up fine and it seemed like the drain was gone. My dad took the switch out and it seemed to make no difference. Over time however, it began to get worse. My mum would come home from work on a Friday afternoon and park Carlos up, then my dad (who works nights) would come to use it Sunday night and the battery would be totally dead. Luckily we live at the top of a fairly steep hill so it was easily bump started, but it's not the nicest way to get the car going again. Eventually, it got to the point where leaving Carlos for barely 24 hours would cause the battery to be completely flat. A few days ago I had to get up early and go to my dad's work and help get it started because it was flat.

So today was the day I'd (hopefully) try and sort whatever it was that was killing poor Carlos...



The lower wiring with the big red wire is the mess the previous owner left behind for the stereo.



The red wire had been used for the switch for the live feed, so I took that out and connected the original wires back together. I suspect the previous owner thought the drain was coming from the live feed, and stuck that switch in there. There's also another unnecessary wire, the smaller black one, which I have no idea what was for. The pin it was connected to in the plug wasn't an original pin, and the wire ran along to the fuse board but wasn't actually connected to anything in there. I took it out, but still left some wire in the plug in case we find it was for something and need to connect it back up.



And now for what I believe/hope was the actual drain...



A black and blue wire that had been chopped, and a random live feed stuck in there. This is the plug for the Climatronic/heater controls, not the radio. Unfortunately the laptop at work with all the specialist software isn't working at the moment so I wasn't able to find a wiring diagram for the Climatronic (Google only brought up the older Climatronic in the first Leon) and find out what that live feed was for, because I connected the black and blue wires back up and it all works fine without that live connected. I tested the live with a probe and it's a constant live even with the keys out of the ignition, so that must've been something to do with the drain. But it looks like a factory live, since the loom didn't look to be tampered with, so it's a bit of a mystery. I'll speak with the auto electrician on Monday and see if he has any wiring diagrams I can look at. For now, here's the plug neatened up and the live taped up.



Put it all back together (and replaced a few trim screws that were missing :rolleyes:) and tested everything out, and everything works fine so far.



Put the battery on charge, cleaned inside and out while I was waiting, job done. Fingers crossed this will be the end of Carlos' battery woes and my unwanted early starts rescuing him...
That's one damn tidy interior!

I absolutely hate electrics, so I don't envy your time spent on the electrics!!
 
That's one damn tidy interior!

I absolutely hate electrics, so I don't envy your time spent on the electrics!!

I think the radio lets it down a little since the display looks so old, but the rest of it certainly is nice. The carbon fibre effect on the dash manages to not look tacky either!

Yeah, I'm not keen either, but luckily it was pretty straight forward with just connecting wires and stuff. Troubleshooting any further than that is when I get a bit lost. :lol:
 
I think the radio lets it down a little since the display looks so old, but the rest of it certainly is nice. The carbon fibre effect on the dash manages to not look tacky either!

Yeah, I'm not keen either, but luckily it was pretty straight forward with just connecting wires and stuff. Troubleshooting any further than that is when I get a bit lost. :lol:
I've been installing my angel eyes kit on my car since early January. I know now (roughly) what I need to do, but electrics are like a dark art to me!!!
 
Headed out to a (very rainy) Panda meet yesterday! Pics not taken by me, I didn't want to bring my camera out in the rain since I lost my lens cap at Autosport earlier this year...

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It was quite a fun day out, and a few people complimented the Pandaghini's colour. I also bought some wheels from the guy with the grey Panda with red wheels, which has had a turbo slapped on and is currently pushing out around 180hp. He took me out for a short drive in it, and now I need a turbo Panda. The wheels I bought were just a set from a Panda Cross that he didn't need, which look like this. I'm sending them off for powdercoating this week before fitting them since they were looking a bit rough (they have covered 130k miles, mind). I also bought a spoiler from a 100HP from one of the other grey Panda owners, it's currently dark metallic blue like the Panda next to the red newer shape one so that'll need painting before I put it on. Then I'll need to finish my front bumper, I finally bought the passenger side trim I needed (£53 from Fiat! Turns out they lied to me when they said they didn't sell them), but as I was about to fit the trims on Saturday, I realised the driver side trim has been damaged while the bumper has been stored in the garage, so I'll have to buy another one of those. Luckily there's a few driver side ones listed on eBay for around £15, which is a little strange considering the price of the passenger one.

After I'd treated the Pandaghini to some new wheels and a spoiler, he decided to thank me by throwing on the engine management light on the way home from the meet, and it looks like I'll be needing a new thermostat. I've noticed for a good few weeks now that the engine never gets up to temperature when driving, yet gets up to temperature fine when idle. I always presumed it was because the trims from my bumper were missing and the weather was cold, so it was getting a constant ice cold breeze except for when it was stood still. It's also been hideously bad on fuel lately (28mpg I got yesterday on a 80 mile round trip, I used to get 45mpg around town), which I presumed was down to my driving and the fact it only really goes on short trips, although after the MPG didn't improve on such a long journey I did start to suspect something was wrong. After it threw up a code for the coolant temperature sensor though, everything clicked into place, and it seems the thermostat is stuck open. A thermostat for a Panda is probably only a couple of pounds and I can't imagine the job will be too hard, so I'll get that done this weekend.


As for Carlos, unfortunately I didn't fix the battery drain. I'm at a complete loss at what it could be so I'll wait for our auto electrician to finish moving his business to mobile and then see what he says.
 
When you get a check engine light you also get crap MPG as the car goes into safe mode, running rich as running lean is dangerous.

Diagnosis on thermostat sounds about right, although I wouldn't be surprised if you need to change the coolant temp sensor as well.. I'd try a t-stat change, clear codes and see if the CEL re-appears.

Getting trims for bumpers, finally lol. Follow the other Pandas; lower it.. :)
 
When you get a check engine light you also get crap MPG as the car goes into safe mode, running rich as running lean is dangerous.

This is the first time the engine management light has come on, so it's been running rich a long time before that. I'm just hoping it hasn't done any damage to the cat!

Diagnosis on thermostat sounds about right, although I wouldn't be surprised if you need to change the coolant temp sensor as well.. I'd try a t-stat change, clear codes and see if the CEL re-appears.

Yeah, I'll replace the thermostat then see how it goes. Neither parts are expensive though which is a bonus.

Getting trims for bumpers, finally lol. Follow the other Pandas; lower it.. :)

Funny you should say that... the guy who I bought the wheels off has a set of coilovers he's trying to get a hold of for me from his old 1.3 Multijet. ;)
 
Today marks 2 years since I bought the Pandaghini, and coincidentally the trim I was missing finally arrived today!



That's both bumper trims and a cover for the clutch pedal. Ever since I bought the car the cover has been missing and I finally got sick of my foot slipping off the clutch or almost slipping off the clutch and having to somehow move my foot back on without stalling.


(Please forgive the mud and mess, I did give the Panda a good valet a week ago but the 'car park' at college is more of a mud bog so the interior just dirties straight back up again)

And the new cover on:



Now I just need to clean up the other pedals again so they match. :P

And finally, the moment we've all been waiting for...


*choir sings Hallelujah*

Still need to get the fog light trims and radiator grille on, but at least it looks a lot more presentable now. The radiator grille from the old bumper seems near impossible to get off, so I'm thinking of buying some plastic honeycomb mesh and making my own grille for it.

As for the wheels, they went for powdercoating on Friday and should be ready some time this week, although they've gone with another set of wheels from work so I'm not sure when my boss will get time to go and collect them. For now, here's a photo of the wheels after I sanded the edges down a bit:



The place they've gone to literally only does powdercoating, so if the wheels are curbed you've got to prep them yourself. At £1 per inch for powdercoating though, I can't really complain. Can't wait to get them back and see how they fit! They've got a slightly bigger offset to the steels I have now so they should stick out a little bit more (for that STANCE YO).
 
The new clutch pedal pad looks so good! So does the bumper trim. More complete, I like the black lines on the car, as you can probably tell from my car. I have left it black like factory rather than paint it body colour like everyone else seems to.
 
Today marks 2 years since I bought the Pandaghini, and coincidentally the trim I was missing finally arrived today!



That's both bumper trims and a cover for the clutch pedal. Ever since I bought the car the cover has been missing and I finally got sick of my foot slipping off the clutch or almost slipping off the clutch and having to somehow move my foot back on without stalling.


(Please forgive the mud and mess, I did give the Panda a good valet a week ago but the 'car park' at college is more of a mud bog so the interior just dirties straight back up again)

And the new cover on:



Now I just need to clean up the other pedals again so they match. :P

And finally, the moment we've all been waiting for...


*choir sings Hallelujah*

Still need to get the fog light trims and radiator grille on, but at least it looks a lot more presentable now. The radiator grille from the old bumper seems near impossible to get off, so I'm thinking of buying some plastic honeycomb mesh and making my own grille for it.

As for the wheels, they went for powdercoating on Friday and should be ready some time this week, although they've gone with another set of wheels from work so I'm not sure when my boss will get time to go and collect them. For now, here's a photo of the wheels after I sanded the edges down a bit:



The place they've gone to literally only does powdercoating, so if the wheels are curbed you've got to prep them yourself. At £1 per inch for powdercoating though, I can't really complain. Can't wait to get them back and see how they fit! They've got a slightly bigger offset to the steels I have now so they should stick out a little bit more (for that STANCE YO).
Woohoo it's looking more complete now! Don't suppose you've seen that clip doing the rounds of the guys who made their Panda sound like a WRC car with a rubber sleeve on the exhaust?
 
The new clutch pedal pad looks so good! So does the bumper trim. More complete, I like the black lines on the car, as you can probably tell from my car. I have left it black like factory rather than paint it body colour like everyone else seems to.

It does indeed! Although now I feel like the brake pedal kind of lets everything down since it's a little worn. Yeah, I was going to colour code everything but I think I like the black trims on the front. Might paint the door handles blue though to give it less of a poverty-spec look.

Woohoo it's looking more complete now! Don't suppose you've seen that clip doing the rounds of the guys who made their Panda sound like a WRC car with a rubber sleeve on the exhaust?

I have, in fact I shared it to the Panda group. :lol:
 
@Katiegan I'm always a bit late to reply to your latest posts, but I just wanna say the car is coming along nice. I agree with @GDII , that new clutch pedal pad was a very satisfying fix. lol

The wheels are cool too, waiting to see 'em on. :cool:
 
@Katiegan I'm always a bit late to reply to your latest posts, but I just wanna say the car is coming along nice. I agree with @GDII , that new clutch pedal pad was a very satisfying fix. lol

The wheels are cool too, waiting to see 'em on. :cool:

Thanks!

Speaking of the wheels, got them back from painting earlier this week and they look fantastic. I've just been struggling to get hold of some tyres for them so they're not on the car yet. The tyres that came off the Cross were 175/65/15, which would be too big for my Panda since mine doesn't sit as high as the Cross, so I need 175/55/15, which apparently is only used on the Smart ForTwo, so it's taken me ages to find some decent tyres that aren't 'eco' ones for a Smart car. Of course, my Panda isn't the sportiest thing out there, but I'd rather get a decent tyre instead of some eco compact car tyre. After a lot of frustration and searching, I finally found a place that did Bridgestone Potenzas in the size I needed, so I ordered those last night and they should be coming some time next week. Also sent my spoiler off for painting so that should hopefully be ready by next week too.
 
The tyres arrived on Thursday, despite the fact the email I got from the company told me they'd arrive on the 27th, but hey, I'm not complaining. As soon as I got on my lunch break I fitted the tyres to the rims.



Also picked up my freshly painted spoiler from the body shop on the same day. Then, today, everything went on! I got some Sikaflex to stick the spoiler on, but I didn't have time to wait for it to set so drove around most of the day like this...



But I honestly can't believe how much the wheels have transformed the car. Not even aftermarket, just OEM+!









I absolutely love the way it looks now. I couldn't help but stare at the reflection in shop windows as I drove past! I also fitted the fog light trims, just need to find something for the radiator one now. Also fixed my handbrake which didn't work at all and re-sealed the cam cover gasket, so hopefully it can stop leaking now, but we'll see.
 
Nice work. Looks a lot more serious now! A little lowering is next, I'm assuming? You're not far off having a 100HP-style stance...

Also, I feel your pain on finding decent tyres for unusual sizes. My MX-5's 185/60 R14 is a bit of a bugger if I don't want eco tyres, which I obviously don't.
 
The new wheels looks awesome. They diffinitely fit the car a lot better than the other ones. I find wheels can be what makes or breaks the look of a car. They can also be the biggest single change to visuals for a car vs any other mod of that size. 👍

I too spend far too much time looking at the car with my new wheels.

The new boot spoiler looks the part. I really want to get the sport kit for my Demio but going to be difficult to fix it to the car and find one in the same colour that's not all broken.
 
Nice work. Looks a lot more serious now! A little lowering is next, I'm assuming? You're not far off having a 100HP-style stance...

Also, I feel your pain on finding decent tyres for unusual sizes. My MX-5's 185/60 R14 is a bit of a bugger if I don't want eco tyres, which I obviously don't.

The guy I bought the wheels off has a set of coilovers from his old Multijet that he's willing to give me for free, although the woman who now owns the car is taking her time taking the coilovers off. He sold her the car and the standard suspension since she said she wanted the standard springs, but she's still rolling around with the coilovers on...

You'd probably benefit from Potenzas more than me in an MX-5, but at least I won't feel like I'm about to tip over if I corner faster than 30. :lol:

The new wheels looks awesome. They diffinitely fit the car a lot better than the other ones. I find wheels can be what makes or breaks the look of a car. They can also be the biggest single change to visuals for a car vs any other mod of that size. 👍

I too spend far too much time looking at the car with my new wheels.

The new boot spoiler looks the part. I really want to get the sport kit for my Demio but going to be difficult to fix it to the car and find one in the same colour that's not all broken.

Yeah, I'm amazed how much of a difference they've made considering they're just another set of Panda wheels.

The first time I parked it up after fitting them I must've looked back about five times!

I had to make some adjustments to the spoiler to get it to fit, normally on the 100HP they're bolted through the window, but obviously I can't start drilling holes through glass. I grinded off the studs that'd go through the window and stuck some rubber padding where they would've gone so it didn't knock against the glass, then just stuck a load of Sikaflex onto where it meets the top of the boot. Hopefully it'll stay on!
 
Wow, the new rims make the world of different 👍 As was mentioned, it's really looking like a package now. How good is it when you love your car so much that you are trying to find reflections of it :lol:.
 
The tyres arrived on Thursday, despite the fact the email I got from the company told me they'd arrive on the 27th, but hey, I'm not complaining. As soon as I got on my lunch break I fitted the tyres to the rims.



Also picked up my freshly painted spoiler from the body shop on the same day. Then, today, everything went on! I got some Sikaflex to stick the spoiler on, but I didn't have time to wait for it to set so drove around most of the day like this...



But I honestly can't believe how much the wheels have transformed the car. Not even aftermarket, just OEM+!









I absolutely love the way it looks now. I couldn't help but stare at the reflection in shop windows as I drove past! I also fitted the fog light trims, just need to find something for the radiator one now. Also fixed my handbrake which didn't work at all and re-sealed the cam cover gasket, so hopefully it can stop leaking now, but we'll see.

friggin rights buddy :cheers:
 
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