Knowledge or Intelligence?

[Lucas]

I'm not sure which one to choose, honestly. Someone who knows it all, in theory, would know the different ways to deal with problems (and the way to solve problems would be associated with intelligence), I suppose.

 

[Keef]

Knowledge is having a vast library of books at your disposal when faced with a difficult question.

Intelligence is knowing which book to consult to answer it.

Actually, knowing anything at all is knowledge. Intelligence would be not knowing which book to consult but figuring it out.

 

[photonrider]

Actually, knowing anything at all is knowledge. Intelligence would be not knowing which book to consult but figuring it out.

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In addressing this statement, I have to look at the definition of knowledge as an 'event'. Is it? Or is it still data and the event of recall, and processing, the actual intelligence?

The first thing that came to my mind was that serial killers/ psychopaths have been known to be super intelligent, yet have no 'moral knowledge' of right and wrong which seems to be what makes them the way they are.

Surely knowledge is just knowing something either empirical or innate where as intelligence would be the way this knowledge is used? Yes?...No?....Maybe?...I don't know. Can you repeat the question?

Quoted twice . . . MG, how important are you?
What was the question, anyway?
The question of course was in the form of a poll: what was personally more important, or perceived as more important in the general scheme of things; knowledge or intelligence? And from there - then, for those unsure, before casting such vote - what is 'intelligence'? And, what is 'knowledge'?
Criminals are often classified as 'super-intelligent' by the media, if not actually by . . . um . . . other 'super-intelligent' beings (self-assessed or otherwise), but is it really so?
What is the net result of intelligence? Or what should it be? Survival? Happiness? Would the Social Intelligent animal be more successful in a social setting, than the Mathematically Intelligent (or knowledgeable) Being?
And where do 'morals' (whatever parameters are given it for the discussion) come into the equation when adding up intelligence?
Which begs a further question . . . what knowledge is immoral?
Eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was allegedly what got us into trouble once. Why did we not have enough intelligence to leave well enough alone that time?
And that brings us back to intelligence - and the curiosity that goes with it - the thirst for knowledge.

 

[Joel]

I've been thinking about this because I was trying to figure out whether A+ students are intelligent or knowledgable. I dare say that many of the A+ students in my school are not too intelligent. Yes you know a lot of things but that doesn't mean you know how to use your knowledge.

Depends on the subject, but I think that getting good grades is essentially a skill that is either innate or developed from working and studying hard. I've had a pretty good innate talent that just makes school easy, I don't get A+'s in most courses but I maintain a 3.3GPA at university and I had an 87% average in high school with the absolute bare minimum of studying. This doesn't necessarily make me intelligent, it's just that things like memorizing historical facts and figures came easy to me, and I'm a great writer in an academic sense. The skills I have are very well suited to a traditional academic environment, and those skills are good enough that I can dick around, argue in the opinions forum, and play video games all day but still get pretty good grades.

The other side of it is when people just spend hours upon hours studying. This obviously doesn't necessarily mean you're intelligent either. I would say the courses that best measure intelligence are ones that measure critical thinking, history courses, philosophy courses, things like that. However, I'm a believer in multiple intelligence courses and I think there's a lot of intelligences that get glossed over by traditional testing methods. I have a lot of friends who have trouble forming logical arguments and writing opinionated papers for english and history classes, but they'd be able to look at a broken machine without prior knowledge of it and have a good chance of figuring out what's wrong.

I don't as a rule like using grades as a measure of intelligence, because there are a lot of skills that don't get measured in school (especially high school). There's also that averages can really penalize someone who is intelligent but is lacking skills in a specific subject. Some very intelligent people just struggle with writing or math, but in the real world these aren't usually going to hamper you. Someone who wants to open a carpentry business doesn't lack intelligence because they got a 50 in calculus.

 

[wfooshee]

Intelligence. The ability to examine and observe and produce useful knowledge. Knowledge flows from intelligence.

If you can think, all knowledge is available to you.

If you can't think, no knowledge is useful to you.

 

[1241Penguin]

I don't as a rule like using grades as a measure of intelligence, because there are a lot of skills that don't get measured in school (especially high school). There's also that averages can really penalize someone who is intelligent but is lacking skills in a specific subject. Some very intelligent people just struggle with writing or math, but in the real world these aren't usually going to hamper you. Someone who wants to open a carpentry business doesn't lack intelligence because they got a 50 in calculus.

Well said.

 

[Monatsende]

This question is for men. Ask a woman and the answer would be... something different... (.) (.)

 

[Jet Badger]

Well said.

[/QUOTE]

Damn +1.

That's the thing that's making me sad, angry and depressed. This year's Lithuanian exam is already a nightmare to me. It's the only mandatory exam (you have to take atleast 3 but you must take it) and it consists of... writing a 500 word essay on a topic made up by a group of university professors. For gods sake I can't write essays AT ALL. I'm a [s]meth[/s] math person, though my grammar (lithuanian grammar at that) is very good but FFS I cannot think of 500 words to describe a 3 sentence situation. It's 2 months till the exam and if I fail it I won't finish school and be just wasted 12 years. Just because I can't "blow bubbles". I so want to punch someone in the face right now :grumpy::grumpy::grumpy:

 

[kikie]

Damn +1.

That's the thing that's making me sad, angry and depressed. This year's Lithuanian exam is already a nightmare to me. It's the only mandatory exam (you have to take atleast 3 but you must take it) and it consists of... writing a 500 word essay on a topic made up by a group of university professors. For gods sake I can't write essays AT ALL. I'm a meth math person, though my grammar (lithuanian grammar at that) is very good but FFS I cannot think of 500 words to describe a 3 sentence situation. It's 2 months till the exam and if I fail it I won't finish school and be just wasted 12 years. Just because I can't "blow bubbles". I so want to punch someone in the face right now

Copy all your GTP posts and you'll have your 500 words.

 

[Jet Badger]

I wish I could.

 

[Dean]

I wish I could.

The thing I do, is to let my imagination roll. Just write down, literally everything you think - you can always delete it again. I'm not sure, if it's that easy, but that's what I do, but just to let you know, I'm more a "language/writing/reading/etc."-person, and I hate math. (My top essay featured close to 4500 words (Danish), but I believe I could have gone up to 5500 .)

 

[Mikeybc]

Intelligence. The ability to examine and observe and produce useful knowledge. Knowledge flows from intelligence.

If you can think, all knowledge is available to you.

If you can't think, no knowledge is useful to you.

This pretty much sums it up 👍

 

[dxm8975]

Intelligence is far more important than knowledge in my opinion.

Even though both terms mean that the person is somewhat learned (even it may only be in a certain branch of knowledge), I reckon that intelligence or person who is "intelligent" is the one equipped with ability of dealing with things as wisely as possible with his wisdom when encountered with various patterns of difficulties - while the knowledge or the person who is "knowledgeable" shows he is more erudite than other people but it does not matter whether he is capable of handling the hardships with his minds effectively or not.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

Correct me if I'm wrong regarding the definition.

Knowledge is like an amass of things you know, and intelligence is the result of being able to formulate a thought through a synthesis of said knowledge and [i]some other thing[/i].

It's like having access to a large set of tools, and knowing how to use them. Except without intelligence, you aren't capable of making effective use of it.

The "some other thing" you're looking for is experience... the missing element of the triangle. You can have either knowledge or intelligence, but without the experience of using either of them, they both can be useless.

Have a good one

 

[W3H5]

Nobody ever says "Intelligence is power." Do they? What's up with that?

 

[BobK]

Everybody looks up to a smart dude.

Nobody likes a know-it-all.

 

[Mikeybc]

Nobody ever says "Intelligence is power." Do they? What's up with that?

Most people who achieve a wealth of knowledge are already intelligent, since the OP asked to choose from one or the other the obvious choice is intelligence. Sure you can give a stupid person knowledge with step by step instruction but if said stupid person doesn't understand the reasoning behind the steps it's a rather limited knowledge.

 

[zzz_pt]

Intelligence.
Knowledge worth nothing if you don't know what to do with it.

We all look at Rain Man and go "WOW!". But he lived like a child...

The human history is made by Intelligent people (their knowledge itself is just information in the brain).

 

[Watchman]

 

 

[sesselpupser]

Intelligence.

 

[photonrider]

This question is for men. Ask a woman and the answer would be... something different... (.) (.)

Something . . . intelligent? Or knowledgeable?

The "some other thing" you're looking for is experience... the missing element of the triangle. You can have either knowledge or intelligence, but without the experience of using either of them, they both can be useless.............................

Now, we're digging deeper. Now, we're throwing that age-old spanner into the works. Time. Where does 'experience' (which requires the existence and passing of Time) fit into this? Where does the 'event of perception' (and thereby the use of what is being perceived with) come into it? And so, from there, what are we using to be intelligent? The knowledge we have (which means a lot of knowledge will make us 'intelligent' like a computer with a huge HD) . . . or the process we use to apply our knowledge (which means faster processing like a super-computer)?

Nobody ever says "Intelligence is power." Do they? What's up with that?

Because the intelligent know better than to be 'powerful'?
After all - absolute power corrupts absolutely. Who would be intelligent and want that?

 

[Michael88]

Intelligence leads to knowledge.

 

[Sprite]

You need intelligence to gather knowledge. Also your knowledge will guide intelligent acts. They are two sides to the same sword. Once both are sharp and honed you can wield it to great effect.

 

[Joel]

I wouldn't say you need intelligence to gather knowledge, but you need it to use it. Gathering knowledge these days is easy, it doesn't require much intelligence to google stuff.

 

[Sprite]

But doesn't it take intelligence to use a computer, to use a computer you need knowledge of how that computer operates and that takes intelligence to learn those skills.

It's a chicken and the egg thing, eventually if you follow it back far enough you will discover the meaning of what ever you were looking for.

 

[niky]

You need very little knowledge to use a computer, to google something or to look it up on Wikipedia.

You need a whole lot of intelligence to figure out what, amongst that huge morass of data, is actually 1.) True, 2.) Relevant and 3.) Actually useful.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Intelligence is more important, as it enables you to acquire knowledge more efficiently.