Koenigsegg breaks world speeed record

[Dave A]

Theres no way a GT-R Z tune with $2k spent on it will come close to F1 or CC-R performance, sure you might get the 0-60 close, and possible close up to 100Mph with good gearing, but after that the GT-R's a brick in complarison to the much more aerodynamic super cars. Take the Blitz R348 GT-R for example. It had absolute **** loads spent on it, it had 850Bhp and custom made gearbox, it's weight was reduced and it had a few aerodynamic modifications. Sure it can keep up with an F1 to 60, after that it's choking on the F1's exhaust fumes. Thats the R348, which is considerably more than a GT-R Z-Tune with $2k spent on it. And thats just in a straight line, the performance gap gets bigger when you bring corners into the equation.

 

[German Muscle]

i see you all missed the entire point i was trying to make just so you can try and make someone look dumb, i was just using it as an example. and why couldnt a GTR Ztune be faster? i beleive with it putting out 30 lbs and it would be making like 750WHP. Its a 2.8L RB26 with JGTC500 internals and a ****load more. I dont know for sure that the Z tune with the above mentioned would be faster, im guessing. Neither do any of you cause its never been tested. I dunno if you have read up on it but it is OFFICIALLY the worlds fastest production car. Certainly not by top speed tho.

 

[Driftster]

 

[Dave A]

i see you all missed the entire point i was trying to make just so you can try and make someone look dumb, i was just using it as an example. and why couldnt a GTR Ztune be faster? i beleive with it putting out 30 lbs and it would be making like 750WHP. Its a 2.8L RB26 with JGTC500 internals and a ****load more. I dont know for sure that the Z tune with the above mentioned would be faster, im guessing. Neither do any of you cause its never been tested. I dunno if you have read up on it but it is OFFICIALLY the worlds fastest production car. Certainly not by top speed tho.

It's internals being that of a JGTC cars doesn't really matter, the McLaren F1's faster than a JGTC car anyway. I read the Z tune had 500Bhp, which is a far cry from 750WHP. The bottom line is, it's not enough to reach 240Mph without really pumping the power up 850Bhp won't do, it's too heavy and not aerodynamic enough, your only chance it to reall pump up the power, and if you do that you'll have to replace pretty much every component in the engine and gearbox. Even if you did manage all that, you've still only got a Skyline compared to the other blokes F1, I know which on eI'd prefer, and if I was in a position to buy an F1 ie more money than I can spend, I would buy the F1 over ANY modded Skyline.

EDIT: Yep the Z Tune is 500Bhp, nothing like the 750 you mentioned, I have no idea where you got that figure from, but all the sites I've checked have 500. And for a Skyline it's not cheap, $200,000 I could have bout the TVR Cerbera Speed 12 for around that ammount, now what seems value for money. Theres nothing wrong with liking modded cars, but it's stupid to say they are better that stock cars, it's an opinion. I like modded cars myself, but I don't have one, neither will I have one for a good few years, eevn then I'll only do underbody mods, I don't like bodykits. Performance wise, I don't think you understand quite how hard it is to make a 240Mph car that doesn't blow up before it gets there, no 900Bhp Skyline has ever done it, no 1000Bhp Skyline has ever done it, infact, I don't think ANY Skyline has ever done it. So no you won't be able to spend a relatively small ammount of cash on a Skyline and make it faster than an F1.

 

[Driftster]

Live...I don't think he's talking about a top speed race to 240MPH..........just guessing..

 

[Dave A]

Live...I don't think he's talking about a top speed race to 240MPH..........just guessing..

His words were "So why pay millions for a car that is named "worlds fastest car" if you can take low end cars and put money into them and be much faster while it costing less than half of what the "worlds fastest car" sticker is." and it'd have less of a chance against an F1 round a circuit.

 

[Driftster]

You're right...I'm guessing he's comparing two different standards of "worlds fastest car".....
there's what? 6 Worlds fastest cars floating around?

 

[[FPV]Rusty]

wether or not a skyline could mathc it in a straight line with enough mods, even with its attessa 4wd it would get cained by the mclaren F1 & koenigsigg on any race track, hands down.

 

[Driftster]

ok....but...The Skyline is still "The Worlds fastest"

 

[Jay]

Is the Koenigsegg even fast on a race track in standard form? Ive yet to see that.

(fast compared to the class of car that its in)


Seems to me all Koenigsegg are worried about is top speed, while the Z tune was designed for track use like Nurburgring.

 

[Driftster]

I'm assuming it's fast on the track, but i'm also assuming it's like the Mclaren...Fast...but not "Fast" considering how fast it is.

 

[Jay]

Yeah but I dont like to assume, lots of these "Supercars" arnt as fast on track as I though they would have been when I was young.

 

[Lamp]

Most of the supercars are not as fast on track as they potentionally can be anyway, because most of the supercars are bought by people who can't drive at all, and need all kinds of assists/safety equipment on them.

 

[Dave A]

The CC8S was fast round the TopGear track, it got 1'23.9 so the CCR should be faster than that.

 

[Max_DC]

Nissan Skyline Ztune 👍 it officially has 500 hp, as well as the Vspec II Nür has officially 280, but it has in fact about 320 ps +, I'd say the Skyline Ztune has 600 hp +

If I could decide which car I want as a present, I'd take the Koenigsegg, sell it and buy the Ztune instead, nevertheless I like it, that small manufactures try to beat the records.....so Koenigsegg 👍

 

[Dave A]

The only reason the normal Skylines are rated at 280PS is because of the gentlemens agreement, an agreement the Japanese manufaturers didn't applt to limited special editions and one off's. Theres no reason they would understate the Z-Tunes power, especially by 100Bhp, theres no way it'll have 600+Bhp standard.

 

[Jay]

The CC8S was fast round the TopGear track, it got 1'23.9 so the CCR should be faster than that.

Got a list of what that compares too? I dont know how quick that is off the top of my head.

 

[Dave A]

Lamborghini Murcielago 1'23.7
Pagani Zonda C12 S 1'23.8
Koenigsegg CC8S 1'23.9
Ariel Atom 1'24
Noble M12 GTO 3R 1'25
It got the highest recorded speed down the straight too. Rmember this isn't the record breaking model and it keeps with the other cars in it's class.

 

[Jay]

Where on that list is the Lancer Evolution FQ400?

*Edit* its ok I found the list but it just has Evo VIII doesnt say which one. I thought there was a bigger list (I got it from the Top gear website).

 

[Max_DC]

The only reason the normal Skylines are rated at 280PS is because of the gentlemens agreement, an agreement the Japanese manufaturers didn't applt to limited special editions and one off's. Theres no reason they would understate the Z-Tunes power, especially by 100Bhp, theres no way it'll have 600+Bhp standard.

Sportscompact car :
NISMO claims more than 500 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque; judging from the acceleration claim, these numbers are more conservative than Jesse Helms.




http://sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0505_scc_skyline/

 

[German Muscle]

It's internals being that of a JGTC cars doesn't really matter, the McLaren F1's faster than a JGTC car anyway. I read the Z tune had 500Bhp, which is a far cry from 750WHP. The bottom line is, it's not enough to reach 240Mph without really pumping the power up 850Bhp won't do, it's too heavy and not aerodynamic enough, your only chance it to reall pump up the power, and if you do that you'll have to replace pretty much every component in the engine and gearbox. Even if you did manage all that, you've still only got a Skyline compared to the other blokes F1, I know which on eI'd prefer, and if I was in a position to buy an F1 ie more money than I can spend, I would buy the F1 over ANY modded Skyline.

EDIT: Yep the Z Tune is 500Bhp, nothing like the 750 you mentioned, I have no idea where you got that figure from, but all the sites I've checked have 500. And for a Skyline it's not cheap, $200,000 I could have bout the TVR Cerbera Speed 12 for around that ammount, now what seems value for money. Theres nothing wrong with liking modded cars, but it's stupid to say they are better that stock cars, it's an opinion. I like modded cars myself, but I don't have one, neither will I have one for a good few years, eevn then I'll only do underbody mods, I don't like bodykits. Performance wise, I don't think you understand quite how hard it is to make a 240Mph car that doesn't blow up before it gets there, no 900Bhp Skyline has ever done it, no 1000Bhp Skyline has ever done it, infact, I don't think ANY Skyline has ever done it. So no you won't be able to spend a relatively small ammount of cash on a Skyline and make it faster than an F1.

Did you miss this or do you not know what i mean?

i beleive with it putting out 30 lbs and it would be making like 750WHP.

And the Z-Tune is $170,000. And Please read this also.

I dunno if you have read up on it but it is OFFICIALLY the worlds fastest production car. Certainly not by top speed tho.

 

[Scaff]

i see you all missed the entire point i was trying to make just so you can try and make someone look dumb, i was just using it as an example. and why couldnt a GTR Ztune be faster? i beleive with it putting out 30 lbs and it would be making like 750WHP. Its a 2.8L RB26 with JGTC500 internals and a ****load more. I dont know for sure that the Z tune with the above mentioned would be faster, im guessing. Neither do any of you cause its never been tested. I dunno if you have read up on it but it is OFFICIALLY the worlds fastest production car. Certainly not by top speed tho.

The latest issue of Evo has a road test of the GTR Z Tune, and also speaks to Kojun Iwata (a member of the Nismo project team for the car - so I think his word could be considered gospel for this).

The GTR Z Tune puts out 500bhp @ 6,800rpm and 398ftlb @ 5,200 rpm, Iwata does say that the engine could be easily tweaked to a maximum of 630bhp, but it would then fail Japanese emission regulations (and then not be a road car). As this guy was in part responsible for the cars existance, I personally think I will take his words on it.

The article (and Kojun Iwata) make no claims as to the car being the Worlds Fastest production car in any form, so if you could provide some links to support that particular claim it would be appreciated.

BTW - Its the June 2005 issue of Evo I am refering to here, in which they also take an Ultima GTR640 around the unlimited speed roads of the Isle of Man. The Ultima GTR is officialy the worlds fastest accelerating production car. I have provided links to support this below, as well as .pdf copies of the Datron (who are acredited by Guiness to time speed records) satalite data sheets.

0-60 2.7secs
0-100 5.5 secs
0-150 11.8 secs
0-100-2 - 9.84 secs

Ultima details

Ultima 0-150mph Datron datasheet

Ultima 0-100-0 Datron Datasheet

 

[Dave A]

Did you miss this or do you not know what i mean?

And the Z-Tune is $170,000. And Please read this also.

I miss read it, I thought you were saying it was putting out thoes figures, my apologies.

And yes your right it's $170k, I saw the estimated price from an older article about the car.

The Z-Tune also is not the fastest road car in any important category. It's one hell of a fast 1/4 mile car, but it's not the fastest to 60, 100, 0-100-0, top speed or round the Nordschleife.

I'm not saying it's not a great car because it is, but the only thing it MIGHT be, is the fastest tested production car in a 1/4 mile dash. I bet it wouldn't be if more cars were tested for that though. So far it's recorded 0-400m at 10.06, 400m is not quite a 1/4 mile but it's close so the time wouldn't be much different. The Ultima has done a 1/4 mile in the wet at 10.6 on concerete, not tarmac. Watch the 10 second barrier dissapear if they test it in the dry.

And Max_dc, read up on the car itself, not some journalists hype. Read the latest issue of EVO like Scaff has done and you'll find yourself corrected.

 

[Driftster]

Ok, but Officialy..What's the fastest 1/4 production car?

 

[Dave A]

I have no idea, everywhere gives different results and answers. I even found a site that said a stock 68 Plymouth Barracuda SS did it 10.5 seconds which is obviousely bollocks but I can't find a proper answer anywhere. Mind you I've nort spent much time looking, I'm off out any time now.

 

[Jay]

Is there any actual official fastest 1/4 mile production car? Or is this one of those things where any person or manufactuer like to claim their car is the quickest.

 

[German Muscle]

The latest issue of Evo has a road test of the GTR Z Tune, and also speaks to Kojun Iwata (a member of the Nismo project team for the car - so I think his word could be considered gospel for this).

The GTR Z Tune puts out 500bhp @ 6,800rpm and 398ftlb @ 5,200 rpm, Iwata does say that the engine could be easily tweaked to a maximum of 630bhp, but it would then fail Japanese emission regulations (and then not be a road car). As this guy was in part responsible for the cars existance, I personally think I will take his words on it.

The article (and Kojun Iwata) make no claims as to the car being the Worlds Fastest production car in any form, so if you could provide some links to support that particular claim it would be appreciated.

BTW - Its the June 2005 issue of Evo I am refering to here, in which they also take an Ultima GTR640 around the unlimited speed roads of the Isle of Man. The Ultima GTR is officialy the worlds fastest accelerating production car. I have provided links to support this below, as well as .pdf copies of the Datron (who are acredited by Guiness to time speed records) satalite data sheets.

0-60 2.7secs
0-100 5.5 secs
0-150 11.8 secs
0-100-2 - 9.84 secs

Ultima details

Ultima 0-150mph Datron datasheet

Ultima 0-100-0 Datron Datasheet

how much are those Ultimas? are they street legal?

My initial point was that you can take a Z Tune and put like 2-3 grand into it and smoke alot of cars. its called going fast cheaper, In this case alot cheaper! Its kinda like how my friend beat a lightly modded Dodge Viper GTS in his FWD eagle talon. So whats the Ultima run on the 1/4? cause there are GTRs running low 8s

 

[Jay]

So whats the Ultima run on the 1/4? cause there are GTRs running low 8s

What GTR's are running low 8's

Or are you refering to drag Skylines?

 

[Scaff]

how much are those Ultimas? are they street legal?

My initial point was that you can take a Z Tune and put like 2-3 grand into it and smoke alot of cars. its called going fast cheaper, In this case alot cheaper! Its kinda like how my friend beat a lightly modded Dodge Viper GTS in his FWD eagle talon. So whats the Ultima run on the 1/4? cause there are GTRs running low 8s

The Ultima GTR range starts from £45,500, the final cost depending on the final spec.

They are totally road legal in Europe and the USA, see the pictures below, Ultima GTRs with UK and US tags.

So thats cheaper than the Z-tune and road legal in most of the world, on top of that as the Z-tune will be limited to a run of 20 cars and only sold in the JDM market, the Ultima is a lot more accesable.

It achieved a 10 sec 1/4 mile time, with a speed of 140 mph. This was not however recorded as a stand alone 1/4 mile, but as part of the 0-150 mph test. Which at 11.8 secs is a second faster to 150mph than a McLaren F1.

To get a GTR to run 8 sec on the 1/4 is going to take a lot more than throwing a few grand at a Z-tune (which is already far more expensive than the Ultima).

Don't get me wrong, I think that the Z-tune is a stunning car, and a great achievement for NISMO, but I would like to see some kind of proof of your claim that it hold one ofthe performance records for a road/production car.

 

[Driftster]

Ok.....Great..But...As I said...3 times prior?

Officially, what's the fastest 1/4 production car?