Lister Takes to Twitter to Tease Us With its Next New Car

[Aphelion]

This is actually going to be quite odd to see... a jaguar F-Type with a different badge... Odd concept to me.

 

[Liquid]

Are people really complaining that "it's just a modified Jaguar"?

That's what Lister do. Cars like the Storm are the exception, rather than the norm.

 

[kikie]

Since of yesterday, I'm going to use the BHP instead of the DIN metric HP (due to a post in this thread with reference to faux metric nonsense).

No more kW * 1.36 but kW * 1.33.


Don't correct me Famine and if you can't resist, do it gently.


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[Famine]

Since of yesterday, I'm going to use the BHP instead of the DIN metric HP (due to a post in this thread with reference to faux metric nonsense).

No more kW * 1.36 but kW * 1.33.


Don't correct me Famine and if you can't resist, do it gently.

I can't resist.

"B"hp isn't a unit. It's a unit and a location. "B"hp is specifically the amount of power at the crank, as measured in hp units. Other examples of this type of measurement include "W"hp.

Metric horsepower never uses (or should never use) the "hp" unit, because no nation that uses it spells it that way. It should always be PS, or cv, or Ch, or some other foreignspeak that means "horse power" in their native tongue. In practice manufacturers just use the metric value and put hp after it, because it makes a big number and they like to use big numbers even if it's not the truth.

And legally all manufacturers in Europe must use kW to advertise power, with any other unit as supplementary information only.

 

[TexRex]

Are people really complaining that "it's just a modified Jaguar"?

Are they?

 

[kikie]

I can't resist.

"B"hp isn't a unit. It's a unit and a location. "B"hp is specifically the amount of power at the crank, as measured in hp units. Other examples of this type of measurement include "W"hp.

Metric horsepower never uses (or should never use) the "hp" unit, because no nation that uses it spells it that way. It should always be PS, or cv, or Ch, or some other foreignspeak that means "horse power" in their native tongue. In practice manufacturers just use the metric value and put hp after it, because it makes a big number and they like to use big numbers even if it's not the truth.

And legally all manufacturers in Europe must use kW to advertise power, with any other unit as supplementary information only.

Carwow.co.uk uses DIN metric horsepower. you should contact them and tell them they are wrong.

PS (pferdestärke), CV (chevaux vapeur).... or DIN metric horsepower are exactly that – an attempt to make horsepower metric. A metric horsepower ....

Okay, I see, they don't use hp but "horsepower". And yes, I was translating directly from Dutch into English.

Paardekracht = pk

Paardekracht = horsepower = hp

The same problem I had with a certain post in the Flat earth thread. Evidence and proof are both "bewijs" in Dutch. So it is easy to mix evidence and proof because both mean "bewijs" and translating to English, I used proof instead of evidence.



Tell me @Famine if Bhp is measured at the cranck, what is the unit for the power measured at the wheels? Is it hp instead of Bhp?

What about kW?

 

[Famine]

Carwow.co.uk uses DIN metric horsepower. you should contact them and tell them they are wrong.

I used to work for them, and yes, we had this discussion.

Imperial horsepower is a typical imperial unit. It's based on made-up stuff and guesswork that's largely wrong, and expressed in weird amounts of other units. A mile is 1,760 yards, a yard is 3 feet, a foot is 12 inches. A ton is 2,240 pounds (unless you're American), a pound is 16 ounces - depending on the type of ounce. A horsepower is 550 pounds multiplied by 1 foot divided by 1 second. These are weird amounts of other units. That's the imperial system.

The metric system isn't that. It's based on things being one amount of something divided, or multiplied, by one amount of something else, scaling up and down every time you reach a thousand things. A kilometre is a thousand metres. A milligram is a thousandth of a gram. A newton is one kilogram multiplied by one metre divided by one second. One volt is one joule divided by one coulomb.

"Metric horsepower" is a gross bastard hybrid mutant of both, and literally the worst thing in the universe. It's metric only in the sense that it uses metric units. It's nowhere close to the metric standard - or SI - where every unit is 1 of some unit multiplied or divided by 1 of another unit. It's just an attempt to express the Imperial horsepower (hp, or 550lbfft/s) without using Imperial units.

1 "metric horsepower" is 75kgfm/s, because there's about 3.28 feet in a metre and 2.025lb in a kilogram. 550/(3.28*2.205) = 76, but 76 isn't a very nice number so it's rounded to 75...

That's not how any of the metric system works. No other metric unit is rounded off like this. No other metric unit is purposely derived from imperial units.

Tell me @Famine if Bhp is measured at the cranck, what is the unit for the power measured at the wheels? Is it hp instead of Bhp?

That'd be whp:

"B"hp isn't a unit. It's a unit and a location. "B"hp is specifically the amount of power at the crank, as measured in hp units. Other examples of this type of measurement include "W"hp.

"hp" is a unit. "hp" means "550lbfft/s". "Bhp" is a measurement. "Bhp" means "amount of [550lbfft/s] at the crank".

100hp is 55,000lbfft/s. 100bhp is 55,000lbfft/s - or 100hp - at the crank. 100whp is 55,000lbfft/s - or 100hp - at the wheels.

What about kW?

"kW" is a unit. "kW" means "1000W". "1W" means "1J/s". "1J" means "1Nm". "1N" means "1kgm/s". The kg, m and s units are all SI base units, so can't be divided further. Everything is one something multiplied or divided by something else.

Car manufacturers in Europe are legally required to use kW, but they can use any other unit for additional information. They all use "metric horsepower" because it gives a bigger number than any other system, and they can say it's "hp" or "horsepower" because all of the terms for "metric horsepower" (PS, Cv, Ch and myriad others) translate from their native language into English as "horse power".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Are people really complaining that "it's just a modified Jaguar"?

That's what Lister do. Cars like the Storm are the exception, rather than the norm.

Easiest thing I can think of to help others understand is other tuner/manufactures like Saleen. Saleen should be first and foremost thought of as a Mustang/Ford tuner. A manufacture should be second.

 

[Dennisch]

Paardekracht

Tssk tssk.

Paardenkracht.

 

[kikie]

Tssk tssk.

Paardenkracht.

Okay, here we go again.

Ik zen ne Vlaming he. Bij ons is da paardekracht
Written in a kind of Flemish dialect (not entirely though). I'm not using AN = Algemeen Nederlands (General Dutch )

Translation: I'm flemish you know. Over here it's "paardekracht". It is sarcasme. But it is also true.




Information to the mods, I wanted to translate but I forgot. Really, it's the truth. I haven't forgotten that all post must be posted in English.

 

[Bom15]

Brian Lister was deeply affected by the death of his star driver Archie Scott Brown in 1958 and the deaths of other drivers which led him to switch to the production of packaging machinery.

As you have said some Lister cars used Chevrolet V8's, earlier models also used engines from MG, Bristol and Maserati. The Lister Costin of 1959 was designed for Chevrolet power, but some use the Jaguar straight six.

Ahh that explains it.

And yes. I've been lucky enough to see most Listers. Only one's I haven't seen are the XJS Le Mans and an MG engined sportscar. Another car Brian Lister had some input was the Sunbeam Tiger Le Mans.