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Rotary Junkie
You do realize there are cases where that's helpful.

Oh, you don't? Oh.
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Lol it isnt really helpful at all in any way when you can just have it open diff and spinning one front tire and both back tires and corner alot better.
 
Poppins
Lol it isnt really helpful at all in any way when you can just have it open diff and spinning one front tire and both back tires and corner alot better.
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Spinning any given tire = bad, mmkay?

It may feel better that way but AWD's entire purpose is to aid traction... Try to take away from that (i.e. don't go for optimum traction) and you wind up with a car worse in every measureable way than a RWD car. If my AWDs spin a tire, they spin all of them... Which, in some cases, results in going ridiculously sideways while sacrificing effectively no exit speed.

Edit: :lol: Ronald. I can smell it.
 
I like the fact that I have Rotary Junkie to protect my @$$, because I know nothing of this, I just know what to change to get the car to do a given thing XD
 
I need comments >.< I'm probably going to put up an F40 tune when I get home from school and work, tell if you want it =P
 
I plan on doing a review of this 500 for you... might have a chance at getting to it this weekend.

I'd love for you to tune one of the RR fiats as well!
 
Ok, no F40, didn't have time. Which brings me to the next point of this post. Does anyone want to help me with this, provoiding some more tunes? Seeing as I have limited time, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have a spare 500 knocking about from the seasonals a while ago. I didn't imagine that that little engine could produce so much power.
 
Rotary Junkie
Spinning any given tire = bad, mmkay?

It may feel better that way but AWD's entire purpose is to aid traction... Try to take away from that (i.e. don't go for optimum traction) and you wind up with a car worse in every measureable way than a RWD car. If my AWDs spin a tire, they spin all of them... Which, in some cases, results in going ridiculously sideways while sacrificing effectively no exit speed.

Edit: :lol: Ronald. I can smell it.
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Umm that is how most AWD systems work. They have an open diff in the front so only one single tire in the front will get power and both in the back do. This aids traction massively and if the front EVER locked, it would cause massive understeer.

Ever seen a skyline or an old audi quattro?

They have open diffs in the front because that results in the best handling.

Either way I know for a fact that it being more locked causes understeer and it does in this game as well. My ZZII has an open front diff with 30/70 center diff and it lights up one tire in the front at a time and runs < 6:20 at nurburg.
 
Adrenaline
Ok, I'm doing a series of online races at Trail Mountain tight now with the FTO, PP600 limit.
I have everything maxed, but with only stage 2 turbo. Fits in at 596pp I think.
With the set up I've mentioned previously, my best lap in the room is currently 1:17.151, no draft, no cutting the last corner. Tire Wear & Fuel Consumption On, in free run mode.

Swapping to your updated tune, I managed a 1:17.820.
But... I forgot to change the Torque Diff... and the LSd...
So, scratch that, let's try that again...
1:17.804...
So, a few things.
First of all, it's an improvement over the previous tune.
Second, it still appears to be slower than a slightly modified stock set up, online. Might not be true offline, I haven't tested it.
But the main thing that sticks out, is the LSD/Torque settings, made practically no difference, which means all the issues I'm experiencing are suspension/alignment related.

Those experiences are a lack of entry and exit, as well as the inability to maintain strong corner speeds. The latter of which is more notable on the big corner after the straight. But entry and exit are lacking throughout the course, giving it an understeer feel.
I tried some quick experiments. 1 of which, was your torque, LSD, and ride height, with the Mod Stock setup. It got better, but still not as quick. I felt that for such a light and low powered car, your camber and toe settings are a bit extreme.
I'm thinking the low ride height may be the cause of the issue, but just in case, I'm going to revert everything back to my set up, with the exception of ride height.
Doing so, and I'm still in the upper 17's. So that may be part of the issue here at Trial Mountain, which has it's fair share of elevation and bumps.
But that's all the laps I'm running for tonight.
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I guess you are using a wheel, no way could you hit 1.17s with the fto using ds3
 
Callaway C12 '03
753 BHP @ 6400 RPM - 89 KGFM @ 5900 RPM - 1303 KG

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Base Model
Callaway C12 '03

GT Auto
Oil Change
Rear Wing

Tuning Shop
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Rigidity Improvement
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Supercharger
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi Racing Flywheel
Carbon Propeller Shaft
Fully Customisable LSD
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Racing Soft Tires

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Ballast
Ballast Amount: 70 KG
Ballast Position: -50

Aerodynamics
0/20

Power Limiter
100.0%

Transmission
1st Gear: 3.444
2nd Gear: 2.278
3rd Gear: 1.646
4th Gear: 1.249
5th Gear: 0.995
6th Gear: 0.832

Final Gear: 3.420
Max Speed: 340 KPH

LSD
Initial Torque: 8
Accelerayion Sensitivity: 42
Braking Sensitivity: 10

Suspension
Ride Height: -20/-18
Spring Rate: 10.2/12.7
Dampers (Extension): 7/4
Dampers (Compression): 4/8
Anti-Roll Bars: 2/7

Camber Angle: 2.2/1.4
Toe Angle: 0.14/0.18

Brakes
Brake Balance: 8/6

Driving Aids
Tuned with everything off except Driving Line (affects nothing for the car) and ABS at 1.

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Tuners Comments
First of all, do not run this on Deep Forest, Trial Mountain, Cape Ring, or any other track with any bump that has flight potential. This car will do it, and will probably make you crash while at it. The ballast is to counter this, so if just running on Daytona or High Speed Ring, by all means, remove it.
 
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Callaway C12 added, as you see. I also killed the track times, as I don't want to be embarassed by everyone testing these XD
 
Not if the flying makes you crash. And the tune is designed to handle the ballast, so it's not that bad =P
 
Poppins
Umm that is how most AWD systems work. They have an open diff in the front so only one single tire in the front will get power and both in the back do. This aids traction massively and if the front EVER locked, it would cause massive understeer.

Ever seen a skyline or an old audi quattro?

They have open diffs in the front because that results in the best handling.

Either way I know for a fact that it being more locked causes understeer and it does in this game as well. My ZZII has an open front diff with 30/70 center diff and it lights up one tire in the front at a time and runs < 6:20 at nurburg.
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Just have to comment... the reason why the older Audi Quattros and the GT-Rs used open front diffs is because... they're cheap and the front doesn't matter as much, especially on the GT-R where it's heavily RWD biased. The Quattros built for IMSA GTO used Torsens for all 3 differentials, a lot of the factory Evos use front limited slips too, as do the Subaru STIs.
 
Just went for a ride with your FTO... it was a very short test on Trail Mountain! 5 laps default, 5 laps with your tune and 5 laps with Adrenaline's tune ( so it is a little unfair as the learning curve still went up during your tune)... I know that it can go faster but 5 laps aren't enough, still:

Default: 1:21.358
Your tune: 1:19.873
Adrenaline: 1:18.276

First thoughts: the toe settings might be a little too high for my taste and the LSD possibly "slows" it down a bit compared to Adrenaline... but the car is just unbelievable fast (almost unfairly fast ;))
I will probably give the tunes some more time and go a bit into it! But right at the moment I don't have the time for it, but I will let you know!
 
Ouch! A complete different tune than the one he has in the new garage... toe looks a lot more reasonable! The LSD will still be slower, compared to Adrenaline...

@ GfxJG: You have all tunes that are posted here in the new garage, so delete them here and redirect to your new garage. This helps not to mix tunes up!
 
Basilea
Just went for a ride with your FTO... it was a very short test on Trail Mountain! 5 laps default, 5 laps with your tune and 5 laps with Adrenaline's tune ( so it is a little unfair as the learning curve still went up during your tune)... I know that it can go faster but 5 laps aren't enough, still:

Default: 1:21.358
Your tune: 1:19.873
Adrenaline: 1:18.276

First thoughts: the toe settings might be a little too high for my taste and the LSD possibly "slows" it down a bit compared to Adrenaline... but the car is just unbelievable fast (almost unfairly fast ;))
I will probably give the tunes some more time and go a bit into it! But right at the moment I don't have the time for it, but I will let you know!
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Did you drive them in that order?
 
Basilea
yes I did... that's why I said about the learning curve effect...
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I know, I just wanted to be sure of the order that's all. Would be interesting to see the test done in reverse order next round.
 
Well then I gave the car and tunes some more laps... this car is just insane fast!?!?!? And I kind of get faster overall playing more and more GT5 ;) I have to give the Subaru from the first tuner challenge some laps around Trail Mountain to see, if I can beat my times 3 (?) month ago...

10 laps each tune in the order driven:

default: 1:21.063
Adrenaline: 1:17.780
GfxJG from here: 1:18.241

I haven't driven the other tune from GfxJG, because I'm dead tiredand need a break!!! Good night!
 
GfxJG
Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww. Yeah, I should request a lock on this.
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Why? Just because of the lap times?
There's no hate or flame war going. All what I can see is just an objective discussion. I can't see your point.

Or do I misunderstand you?
 
dr_slump
Why? Just because of the lap times?
There's no hate or flame war going. All what I can see is just an objective discussion. I can't see your point.

Or do I misunderstand you?
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No, it's his old garage and he has a new one...
 
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