Logitech g27 / Fanatec with clubsports comparison test

jamesscotland73

jamesscotland73

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I spent the whole of yesterday evening hot lapping at Spa (f1 2010) with my new Logitech G27 and I spent the whole of this evening hot lapping with my Fanatec Turbo S and clubsport pedals.

Im really hacked of saying this but I seem to be much more consistant and faster with the G27. I set a new personal best quite early on and was ahead of my personal best countless times but due to my last corner nerves always bottled it and couldnt better the time.

Tonight with the Fanatec however I couldnt get ahead of my personal best ghost at all.

Although the force feedback of the Fanatec seems far more realistic the G27 seems to have a certain rawness that just gives you that little bit more precision and feedback on what the tyres are doing.

Im really quite gutted about this as I love the fanatec but unfortunantly i just havent got the sames speed with it.

I would be interested to know if any of you guys have done a similar comparison.

EDIT: A few days later and I found that by fine tuning the Fanatec wheels setting i could go slightly faster.
 
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I've used the G25, DFGT, and a Fanatec Turbo S. Each has small things that you have to get used to. The clubsports take more getting used to than anything else really. Braking and subsequently trail braking with clubsports is much more difficult at first until you get used to how the brakes work.

At the end of the day the fastest sim racer in the world uses fanatec gear so if you're slow it's probably not the equipment, it's just a matter of getting used to something. Now if you don't prefer it and don't like the way a load cell brake works then that's a perfectly legitimate problem. This is really important in F1 2010 as braking is different than other GT style racing games, where absolute full pressure is needed at anything above 100 mph is needed to brake effective. You might try calibrating and practicing hitting different values consistently with the brakes. It should improve your times.
 
Yoritomo79
I've used the G25, DFGT, and a Fanatec Turbo S. Each has small things that you have to get used to. The clubsports take more getting used to than anything else really. Braking and subsequently trail braking with clubsports is much more difficult at first until you get used to how the brakes work.

At the end of the day the fastest sim racer in the world uses fanatec gear so if you're slow it's probably not the equipment, it's just a matter of getting used to something. Now if you don't prefer it and don't like the way a load cell brake works then that's a perfectly legitimate problem. This is really important in F1 2010 as braking is different than other GT style racing games, where absolute full pressure is needed at anything above 100 mph is needed to brake effective. You might try calibrating and practicing hitting different values consistently with the brakes. It should improve your times.
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Up until a few weeks ago I was really stamping hard on the clubsport brake to slow the car down....unfortunantly the load cell packed in and I had to get a new one sent out.

I am maybe holding back a little on the brakes subconsciously as Im afraid of doing damage again.

Haveing said all of the above i remember the first time i used my fanatec and clubsprts on GTP5. There are a couple of corners at fuji that were an absolute nightmare with the g25 but the Fanatec just seemed to smooth everything out.

One of the most difficult corners at Suzuka in GT5 for example was the hairpin , the G25 was a nightmare as it seemed so easy to loose control under braking. No such problem with the fanatec and the clubsports though and i improved my time massively.

There is also a corner at Fuji that I found really difficult, the one just before the straight that has the really tight right left at the end of it.

Accelrating around the corner leading onto that straight it was very easy to loose control for some reason with the g25. Once again the fanatec seemed to smooth it all out and once again i improved my lap time.

Maybe its just that the G27 is better for f12010 and the fantec is better for GTP5 and hopefully GT5 too.
 
jamesscotland73
Maybe its just that the G27 is better for f12010 and the fantec is better for GTP5 and hopefully GT5 too.
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This is not the first time I've heard this said. The G25 and G27 are twitchier than the Fanatec belt-driven wheels, and I've heard this can really help with F1, where you need to make lightning-quick corrections.

James, I don't know if you've tried the very latest Fanatec firmware, which has added spring and damping adjustments to the wheel. The spring effect, especially, is supposed to improve response in F1 2010. I'm still running the older "Ultimate Edition" firmware, so I haven't had a chance to confirm this yet.
 
12thgear
This is not the first time I've heard this said. The G25 and G27 are twitchier than the Fanatec belt-driven wheels, and I've heard this can really help with F1, where you need to make lightning-quick corrections.

James, I don't know if you've tried the very latest Fanatec firmware, which has added spring and damping adjustments to the wheel. The spring effect, especially, is supposed to improve response in F1 2010. I'm still running the older "Ultimate Edition" firmware, so I haven't had a chance to confirm this yet.
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I just gave this a try, it does seem to make it slightly more responsive, will try it more tomorrow night.

What is the dampening function actually doing?
 
Haven't tried it yet, but I imagine it smooth out the motion a bit. It's probably something you'd want to tweak hand-in-hand with spring.

Also, have you played with the drift mode at all? It really loosens up the steering, making it very easy to throw the wheel around. It might be a bit much for F1, but it's worth a shot.
 
I totally understand what James is saying,it doesn't really make differance in GT but if you really whip the wheel lightning quick in F1 2010 to me the logitechs are quicker, but when using 900(GT5P) degrees I dont think it comes into play. Still love my fanatec much more.
 
mike46and2
I totally understand what James is saying,it doesn't really make differance in GT but if you really whip the wheel lightning quick in F1 2010 to me the logitechs are quicker, but when using 900(GT5P) degrees I dont think it comes into play. Still love my fanatec much more.
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Just a wee update:

I got advice from a guy on the f1 2010 forum about the DPR & DRI settings on the Fanatec.

Having set the DPR to -3, the DRI to 004, and the SPR to -1 I am now lapping just as fast with the turbo s as i was with the g27.

These new settings seem to give the wheel better sensitivity and feel .

edit: you will need the very latest firmware for these settings
 
jamesscotland73
Up until a few weeks ago I was really stamping hard on the clubsport brake to slow the car down....unfortunantly the load cell packed in and I had to get a new one sent out.

I am maybe holding back a little on the brakes subconsciously as Im afraid of doing damage again.
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You could reduce the braking deadzone in the game settings so you only need to press the pedal 50% to get 100% braking. Also set the clubsport ABS function to 50% so you know when you're breaking as hard as you need to.
 
jamesscotland73
I just gave this a try, it does seem to make it slightly more responsive, will try it more tomorrow night.

What is the dampening function actually doing?
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The dampening is how much resistance is applied by the wheel when you are trying to turn. Put it on 0% for instance and turning is much easier and much faster, 100% and you might get sore arms.

At the end of the day I believe it comes down to personal preference, for me the Fanatec gear comes out on top due to the level of customization and on-the-fly adjustments.
 
If you tested with F1 2010 then I believe that the PWTS is not working as it could. For this game you need to apply the new FW version 681 which improves the FF on F1 a lot.

Especially the spring adjustment will make a big difference.
 
The FFB is much improved with 681 on F1 2010. It seems (Fanatec) you worked with Codemasters closely on that, have you been working with PD or sony to get better FFB on GT5 than in GT5: prologue?
 
Having spent the whole of last night testing again I have come to the conclusion that Fanatec DPR and SPR settings make a massive difference.

I set the DPR to -3, the SPR to -1 and the DRI to 004,

With these settings I managed to better my G27 time and you get alot more feedback on the oversteer and understeer.

I have now packed away the G27 and will be sticking with the Fanatec.

Although a good wheel the G27 enviromental FFB is just far to ratchety / notchy for my liking.

After 2 night of testing my conclusion is that the Fanatec is hands down my favourite wheel.
 
I couldn't imagine going back to my old G25 after the PWTS, but you can program the Fanatec if you find it not meeting your needs in a certain area.
 
I was having some issues with my PWTS yesterday I switched to the controller and was faster. Come to find it out my ouside deadzone on the throttle was off and was preventing the full throttle condition. Result was my lap times were a bit off. Once I changed the deadzone I easily beat my previous best by about 2 tenths
 

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