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- 184
- Canada
- Baptized_Soviet
- Baptized Soviet
The game's programming is simply not sophisticated enough to determine a case by case scenario.
Losing SR for going off track?
- Thread starter DakotaXIII
- 52 comments
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Despite what the name of the metric is, SR is basically copied from iRacing (where it is actually called Safety Rating). It will judge you due to both direct incidents, and whether corners during a sector were clean or dirty. So, disregarding vehicle collisions etc, you *will* get an SR hit for barrier collisions or going off track.
It simply means the system is detecting you as having gone over the limit and crashed. Which is correct, meaning you are likely less safe in your driving and more likely to pose a risk to others.
We can debate whether the "Sportsmanship" moniker is correct or not, but the system works as intended.
It simply means the system is detecting you as having gone over the limit and crashed. Which is correct, meaning you are likely less safe in your driving and more likely to pose a risk to others.
We can debate whether the "Sportsmanship" moniker is correct or not, but the system works as intended.
- 2,374
But since the game has no chance of knowing why you went of track it can either choose not to punish for anything, or punish for every mistake. I actually think it is a bit more sophisticated than this. I think it does judge your off track stuff based on controller input, do you step of the accelerator and apply brakes and join the track at a reduced speed, or do you relentlessly push on even if you are off the track. In the end it does not matter, i would rather have everyone punished for getting of track if it means that they never will gain an advantage by doing a Verstappen :-)
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
You also lose your clean race bonus...
I was running Suzuka last night. Qualified on pole, and then ran very consistent laps, pulling away from the field at c.2s a lap. I had a 20s lead on the final lap, coming up to the chicane. But I wasn't 100% concentrating, missed that someone had knocked the brake point cones over, and subsequently missed my brake point and ran off track at the chicane.
Gave myself a good talking to!
I was running Suzuka last night. Qualified on pole, and then ran very consistent laps, pulling away from the field at c.2s a lap. I had a 20s lead on the final lap, coming up to the chicane. But I wasn't 100% concentrating, missed that someone had knocked the brake point cones over, and subsequently missed my brake point and ran off track at the chicane.
Gave myself a good talking to!
- 3,187
- Lokeren
- breyzipp
- breyzipp
The time penalties are ridiculous. Yesterday someone was chasing me, bumps into my rear in a corner resulting in yours truly to fly in the grass. I get a SR penalty, I come back onto the track after having lost several seconds and I get a 5 second penalty applied...
Another race I might have taken the esses in Maggiore reverse a bit enthusiastic, getting slightly airborn over that first sleeping policeman but all things together still follow the track borders pretty well. I thought I would get away with it cleanly but anything with a time penalty of a few seconds would be acceptable as well. Then I get a FIFTEEN second penalty for that, I mean WTF???
Then there are also times where you know you went slightly off track and nothing happens. For example you can shortcut the hairpin in Maggiore reverse by driving completely over those big inside kerbs and you will get away with it every time you do so.
IMO SR increases way too much as well from driving good. In a single lap around Maggiore I see that green positive SR arrow at least twice per lap I think? And if you drive clean with other cars near you it increases even more. If I bump into someone destroying their race then I just get 1 SR decrease orange arrow. If I want to be a jerk who drives cleanly 80% of the time and be an ass 20% of the time I think my SR rating would still increase. I think that's why I also see people trying to bump me off the track without caring about their SR at all. Whatever bad you do, there will be enough SR increase anyway to offset it.
I like the basic idea and concept but the system sure needs some fine tuning.
Another race I might have taken the esses in Maggiore reverse a bit enthusiastic, getting slightly airborn over that first sleeping policeman but all things together still follow the track borders pretty well. I thought I would get away with it cleanly but anything with a time penalty of a few seconds would be acceptable as well. Then I get a FIFTEEN second penalty for that, I mean WTF???
Then there are also times where you know you went slightly off track and nothing happens. For example you can shortcut the hairpin in Maggiore reverse by driving completely over those big inside kerbs and you will get away with it every time you do so.
IMO SR increases way too much as well from driving good. In a single lap around Maggiore I see that green positive SR arrow at least twice per lap I think? And if you drive clean with other cars near you it increases even more. If I bump into someone destroying their race then I just get 1 SR decrease orange arrow. If I want to be a jerk who drives cleanly 80% of the time and be an ass 20% of the time I think my SR rating would still increase. I think that's why I also see people trying to bump me off the track without caring about their SR at all. Whatever bad you do, there will be enough SR increase anyway to offset it.
I like the basic idea and concept but the system sure needs some fine tuning.
- 78
- Australia
I find regardless of how many Green SR notifications in a race i get, anymore than two Orange SR’s will lead to a Red SR no matter how clean the rest of th race was.
I honestly don’t see the point in showing positive SR values through the race because 1 Green SR is not equivalent to 1 Orange SR so it’s not like you can “work off” a negative SR in-race. It just makes the whole SR system even more confusing IMO.
- 574
- Daytona Beach
- sloppysmusic
Staying on the track at all times and not hitting anyone else is the first thing you should do before slamming on the gas and throwing the car around corners.. To be called a safe driver. That is. Which is what we are talking about. Safe first fast second. Or forget the SR rating and go for broke.
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- Cotswolds, UK
- doc-shipman
I'm sorry, but leaving the track is frowned upon - even if it is a mistake and no advantage is gained from it - hence why it reduces your SR rating.
Sportsmanship Rating in GT Sport is design such that the game can calculate how 'good' a driver you are from an etiquette and safety point of view - regardless of the name of it.
Whether it is a popular opinion or not, SR should decrease if you make a mistake IMO. If you are going off the track it makes you unpredictable which makes you a risk - which is not very sporting. Don't drive beyond your talent and your SR will go up.
Not claiming to be a saint, I make mistakes to a degree, but I don't complain that my SR rating gets a knock when I do
Sportsmanship Rating in GT Sport is design such that the game can calculate how 'good' a driver you are from an etiquette and safety point of view - regardless of the name of it.
Whether it is a popular opinion or not, SR should decrease if you make a mistake IMO. If you are going off the track it makes you unpredictable which makes you a risk - which is not very sporting. Don't drive beyond your talent and your SR will go up.
Not claiming to be a saint, I make mistakes to a degree, but I don't complain that my SR rating gets a knock when I do
- 3,187
- Lokeren
- breyzipp
- breyzipp
Yeah I agree with that, getting off the track and cutting corners in chicanes should drop your SR as well, probably not as much as just slamming into people. I have no problem with that and its a good system for the reasons you mention. Those time penalties though, they are very often just ridiculous.
Okay if the orange SR weighs in heavier than the green that's good. Still I don't think on my 20 races from yesterday I even got one red SR after a race, and I had orange SR from being a victim quite a lot and a few times where I made a misjudge of the situation as well and I was the cause for contact and orange SR. Not sure if I had orange more than once in those races though, I'll keep an eye on it in the future. Also depends on race length probably, I was mainly doing the Gr.4 races in Maggiore reverse.
- 1,947
- Cotswolds, UK
- doc-shipman
No comment on the time penalties. I think they can be overly harsh at times, although I think they are there to encourage you not to do it - so the severity has been whacked up. Better to take a wider, slower line to ensure you're safe than to exceed the track limits. Which I guess is a good thing.
Contact penalties are irksome as if it isn't your fault you're buggared.
- 103
- United Kingdom
Yeah I'm agreed on the semantics. And obviously the system can only know so much.
But it can surely detect if you've gone off track and lost sector time. If you then don't meet any of the other negative SR criteria (impacting another car etc.) why give a time penalty? It can calculate if you've cost yourself time.
But it can surely detect if you've gone off track and lost sector time. If you then don't meet any of the other negative SR criteria (impacting another car etc.) why give a time penalty? It can calculate if you've cost yourself time.
- 1,245
- Greece
SR will give you negative points and a pentalty when someone hits you from behind,putting you off track on top of losing your position and time.Why should it work differenly when the only difference is that there is not someone else forcing you to go off track?
- 103
- United Kingdom
Because there wasn't any contact?...
- 1,245
- Greece
The game -sometimes- translates that "off track" as "cutting track" and gives a penalty no matter the reason behing going off track.
Penalties are because of :
a.cutting track/going 4 wheels outside of white lines
b.contact with another car
c.both
So many times someone will go off track and get a penalty even if in reality he lost time.My point was that you get a penalty even when you are doing everything as you should.Why it would be any different when you actually made a mistake?Its the same system,that gives the penalty for going off track,even when you were forced to do so.
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
I was having a big word with myself on the Suzuka 8 lapper last night! Was driving hard and tire degragation got me
The tyre deg caught me out in the 1st race, and my lap times were a bit hit and miss. In my 2nd race I lead from start to finish... I ran an opening 2'04, followed by a high 2'01, then 6 high 2'02's. Running at the front I could manage my pace at a conservative level and run much more consistent laps... interesting watching the gap to 2nd increase disproportionately over the final 3 laps as he likely hadn't managed his tyres.
I liked the rate of deg... it's another factor to take in to account... push hard from the start and wreck you tyres, or take a bit off and make them last the full 8 laps.
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
- 823
- Planet Earth
- silz616
This is an online game, not a real race for a real championship. Real races have stewards to look at incidents after the race. How the hell do you propose that being policed in a 24-7 online game? It can't, so we have the system which is currently in place, which works very well (imo) if you can drive and race with others properly.
Stay on track, don't drive like an idiot and penalties won't ever be an issue.
- 371
- Greece
Oh man, sorry to hear about that.
As it seems the system must be fined tuned even more.
Most probably this is happening.
You where kicked out, so the other guy has obviously gotten a penalty or even an SR rating degradation, - however, as you got your car back into the track again, if someone hits you again, you get the penalty, because you are in a position you shouldn't be there in normal racing circumstances.
So, you risk other drivers the race, even if the culprit of your disastrous behaviour was the first driver that has hit you.
If you want to raise your SR rating again, just start the race last, or just leave the other drivers to pass you - follow the other drivers as close as possible but without an accident, and your SR rating will go again slowly.
