Loss position in a 15 minute Race
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- Stowmarket,suffolk
- rob51allum
Yep, still broke. I just tried Apricot Hill 20 minutes. Even slowed down let the IA Mclaren F1 get within .6 of second, still lost places and finished (didnt as turn the 🤬 off)
PD, got fix this issue, making the game a joke, i cannt complete the Super races now. I didnt even cut chicanes making sure i ran the total mileage, just incase its a issue like if you run wide and cut chicane it see you havent completed the entire race distance. But, no. Still lost when i won.
Thanks PD.
PD, got fix this issue, making the game a joke, i cannt complete the Super races now. I didnt even cut chicanes making sure i ran the total mileage, just incase its a issue like if you run wide and cut chicane it see you havent completed the entire race distance. But, no. Still lost when i won.
Thanks PD.
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- sr_snugglzz
Dude the same thing happened to me too. I was in first place and way ahead of everybody else. After getting halfway through the course on my third lap , it dropped me to second place. I watched the replay and the driver in last place crossed the finish line and it put him in first place once the timer hit zero. I'm guessing it's a bug.
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If it hasn't been fixed with that update, we may have a sporadic problem. I did the 20 minutes of Apricot Hill shortly after posting my question above to Mike and it worked fine (after the mini update we got today)
I again crossed the line in 1st, timer clicked to 00:00 and said this is the last lap, during that lap I get bumped down to 11th or similar like earlier as cars cross the line after the time is up. I then cross the line and my position is updated to first (as before) and in the results it is confirmed, but this time I am awarded gold with full stars and credits.
I again crossed the line in 1st, timer clicked to 00:00 and said this is the last lap, during that lap I get bumped down to 11th or similar like earlier as cars cross the line after the time is up. I then cross the line and my position is updated to first (as before) and in the results it is confirmed, but this time I am awarded gold with full stars and credits.
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- reddyz06
Sorry, just now checking back in.
From the other responses it sounds like the update must not have been for this glitch after all. Everything appeared to be the same in my 5th race as the first 4 but this time the gold trophy and stars were awarded. Coincidence I guess, it looked fixed to me. My apologies for the mistake.
The other 15 minute races were never an issue for me but appear to issues for other people. The glitch really appears to be hit or miss.
With all my glitch races included, my 15 minute race turned out to be a couple hours. Lots of good practice on the 'ring though.
Mike
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My 15 Nurburgring races after the extra patch yesterday still do the same as before after 1.03 but you do now get the correct position money again, so it is sort of fixed.
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It worked for me fine after the update. Can't remember which race it was (Apricot I think), was in first, crossed the line before the timer ran out, dropped me down the standings as other cars crossed the line after me, finished and it put me in 1st place as was supposed to be and gave me credits and stars all correct
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Seems to be fixed then. Dropping down the order as the other cars finish is normal I would think as it is registering the fact they have completed all the laps they can in the given time. At that point you have not technically finished so are not present in the final scoring.
When you cross the line and finish it updates the positions based on the number of laps completed.
When you cross the line and finish it updates the positions based on the number of laps completed.
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I've never seen that positional issue before yesterdays 1.03 patch, and I've done a lot of these races.
The real problem is that the timing for these time limited races is totally wrong.
You don't finish a race if you cross the line after the timer has run out if the leader got though before it runs out.
All that means, in the real world, is that you still have to complete the lap the leader started because that is the last lap of the race.
The real problem is that the timing for these time limited races is totally wrong.
You don't finish a race if you cross the line after the timer has run out if the leader got though before it runs out.
All that means, in the real world, is that you still have to complete the lap the leader started because that is the last lap of the race.
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Are you sure? I'm not saying you are wrong but time based endurance races are based on the amount of laps you complete in a given time limit so naturally you will have some cars on the grid doing more laps than others, GT3 vs LMP for example?
If you cross the line once the time has elapsed then that was your last lap as any subsequent laps don't count as you were not able to complete them in the given time. The "Last" lap is subjective here and not based on the overall leader.
You could have 2 cars fighting for 1st and 2nd and on the same number of laps but lets say 5 seconds apart, if the leader of those 2 cars crosses the line before the time limit but the car behind does not then the first car will win the race by 1 lap.
If you cross the line once the time has elapsed then that was your last lap as any subsequent laps don't count as you were not able to complete them in the given time. The "Last" lap is subjective here and not based on the overall leader.
You could have 2 cars fighting for 1st and 2nd and on the same number of laps but lets say 5 seconds apart, if the leader of those 2 cars crosses the line before the time limit but the car behind does not then the first car will win the race by 1 lap.
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Time based real events? WEC, ELMS, GT3 etc. The race does not end for anybody until the leader crosses the finishing line which is defined as the last lap possible after the timer has expired.
That's why at Le Mans you see the leader do a slow last lap to make sure the timer runs out and everybody stacks up behind him, because if anyone passed him and passed the finishing line after the timer runs out but before the leader crosses it, means that car would have to do another lap because the race hasn't finished.
That's why at Le Mans you see the leader do a slow last lap to make sure the timer runs out and everybody stacks up behind him, because if anyone passed him and passed the finishing line after the timer runs out but before the leader crosses it, means that car would have to do another lap because the race hasn't finished.
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- pingers7
There is a similar discussion going on over here that might be worth looking at. As others have said in this thread it has nothing to do with penalties or shortcuts or tracking two finishes. It's a silly programming error that has meant that unless you are on EXACTLY the same lap as the other cars when you cross the finish line you will not be awarded first place.
In @Matt368 's case he crossed the line before the counter ended and started another lap along with a couple of other cars. The back runners then got to the line after the counter ended and as they were the first ones to cross when it ended they were awarded the top spots. @Matt368 along with the other cars whilst one lap in the lead, finished after the tail runners so he got the lower placings.
It would seem that the program is taking the total elapsed time at the time you cross the line to determine what your placing is and as @Matt368 took longer due to having to complete the additional lap he has a lower placing.
Hope that made some sense but for sure the situation is pretty messed up and hopefully it'll be sorted soon
ok i just finished the 15 mins at apricot where i slowed all cars down so the timer read 15 mins then crossed in first place and was on same lap as everyone else. i was awarded the silver trophy so this logic is not working either hope they fix soon.
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Yeah sorry I meant in Endurance races in Gran Turismo. I was trying to offer my explanation of what might be happening in the game as far as endurance racing is concerned. Like you say at Le Mans its totally different in real life and my theory couldn't work for obvious reasons. 👍
GT is using the Time Limit to strictly I think, causing cars to finish "their" race as soon as they cross the line rather than using the leader as the measure. Hence we are getting this falling down the order on the last lap and until recently, messed up results.
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Well I've done the 15 minutes of Nurburgring loads of times and until patch 1.03 I've never noticed my position change while the cars that didn't make the timer for the third lap crossed the line.
I'm sure that I would have noticed it, I do glance at it once I take a position on track.
I'm sure that I would have noticed it, I do glance at it once I take a position on track.
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You are right mate. I'm talking about after 1.03 where the problem has started and I don't remember seeing the dropping positions in the earlier endurance races.
1.03 had altered it but at least they seem to have corrected the final results so when all is said and done everybody is where they are supposed to be even if during the last lap it still shows you as falling down the order
1.03 had altered it but at least they seem to have corrected the final results so when all is said and done everybody is where they are supposed to be even if during the last lap it still shows you as falling down the order
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Yes. The first time I did the race after 1.03 was funny. I'd just take 5th place, checked the position - 5th and then it changed back to 6th again. "Eh? then 7th (What?) then 8th, 9th and 10th. What's going on!!!!
There was a good thing though. The AI has changed. Previously my BRZ GT300 could win this race easily. Now it's a real fight. The AI used to slow down and then not speed up, now they speed up and don't slow down again.
I first noticed that when I passed the Playstation Audi R8 and then went through the technical corners after the Karussell - I heard an engine noise and checked my rear view, there was the Playstation Audi glued to my rear all through a section where I can normal take 6 seconds out of any AI. I lost sight of the two leaders who pulled out 12 seconds lead whilst I was busy fighting with the Audi.
There was a good thing though. The AI has changed. Previously my BRZ GT300 could win this race easily. Now it's a real fight. The AI used to slow down and then not speed up, now they speed up and don't slow down again.
I first noticed that when I passed the Playstation Audi R8 and then went through the technical corners after the Karussell - I heard an engine noise and checked my rear view, there was the Playstation Audi glued to my rear all through a section where I can normal take 6 seconds out of any AI. I lost sight of the two leaders who pulled out 12 seconds lead whilst I was busy fighting with the Audi.
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I did the three 15 minute races today and as already reported it does credit you with gold if you were the lead car, however I noticed when I did Nordschliefe that as soon as the counter went to zero it showed me in 3rd place, then a minute later in 6th place, then when I crossed the line I was shown in 10th place.
I didn't have an issue with Ascari or Spa- perhaps because I crossed the line only a fraction in front of the second placed car
I didn't have an issue with Ascari or Spa- perhaps because I crossed the line only a fraction in front of the second placed car
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- Oulu, Finland
True, but there is something fishy about this...
did the 15mins green hell and when i started the 3lap in 3 position it dropped me in to 14th position...
when i was 1th in the 3lap it only dropped me to 3th position and after finish line it told me i was 1th. got 3 stars and stuff...
annoying as hell...
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just ran nurburgring 15 minutes, and issue is still present. in 2nd place about to pass for 1st through hatzenbach when the timer ran out. displayed 'this is the final lap' and i started dropping positions as cars on lap 2 crossed the finish.
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- MyBoardNick
I just did the 5 minutes race in National B. When time ran out, it moved me back to position 2.
And when passed start/finish I was first again.
This isn't solving the issue, this is putting a bandaid on a coding flaw..which isn't the best solution.
If they continue with this structure of "fixing" they will end up with a buggy game that has patch (bandaid) over patch (another bandaid) until you can't solve it anymore.
Hope they fix it as it should, expected better work from the developers of PD.
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