Lotus introduces entry-level Elise S

Minorly interesting oldish news fom Lotus, but now official and confirmed.

Affecting Europe only: Elise 111R now just Elise R, which includes Toyota/Yamaha 2ZZ-GE and touring pack now standard (but deletable). New model, the S, has a re-mapped ECU and the Toyota 1ZZ-GE, producing 134 hp.

I don't think there is a point in bringing this one at all to the United States. It would sell for around 35,000$, which is good, but everyone there seems to complain the normal 2ZZ Elise is underpowered, so this one would get even more flack from the power-hungry journalists.

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Lotus is launching yet another Elise, this one at the bottom of the range. It's £4,000 cheaper than the older model, the R (once the 111R - more on this below), but not quite as quick.

According to Lotus, the loss of the K series engine created a hole in Lotus' portfolio, now plugged with the S. It delivers a 0-60mph sprint of 5.8 seconds from its 1.8-litre VVT-i Toyota engine in a lower state of tune so it delivers only 134bhp, a Vmax of 128mph and 127lb-ft of torque at 4,200rpm. This compares to 5.2 seconds for the R, a Vmax of 147mph, and power and torque figures of 192bhp and 133lb-ft.

Other than that, the new Elise looks pretty much like the R -- the general spec is the same, as are the options available. It's still based on Lotus' extruded and bonded aluminium chassis, with a lightweight steel rear subframe. The chassis weighs 68kg and has a stiffness of 9,500 Nm per degree. Overall weight as ever is low at 860kg, delivering benefits for acceleration, handling, ride comfort and braking -- and the environment.

Braking comes from AP Racing callipers at the front and Brembo calipers at the rear, linked to 282 mm vented and cross-drilled cast iron discs. It also includes ABS, which Lotus described as "very unobtrusive and most drivers will not even notice that it is there - unless it is needed of course and even then, the system keeps a subtly low profile."

The ABS system is linked to a lightweight pedal box with steel pedal arms and extruded aluminium pads. This unit also has an electronic (drive-by-wire) throttle for a more linear engine response.

With the launch of the Elise S, the 111R becomes the Elise R. With the name change comes a spec boost: the Touring Pack becomes standard equipment - -although you can delete it if you want. The Elise R is also differentiated from the Elise S through 8-spoke alloy wheels and raised Lotus lettering on the rear.

New Lotus boss Mike Kimberley said: "The arrival of our new Elise S is good news for lovers of pure sports cars in all intended markets. The value for money proposition offered by the car is second to none and takes the wonderful Lotus Elise range back into the heart of the mainstream sports car market.

"We now have a Lotus Elise to tempt the existing or would-be MX-5 or MG driver away from these altogether more cosmetic offerings. They now have an opportunity to get back into a car that is the very essence of what, in our view, a real sports car should be all about."

The Lotus Elise S costs £23,995 including VAT on the road.

Kind of boring news, but still worth mentioning.
 
If you could afford an Elise in the first place, wouldn't you just pay out another £4,000 for the more powerful one? I would. It would be much more worth it.
 
G.T
If you could afford an Elise in the first place, wouldn't you just pay out another £4,000 for the more powerful one? I would. It would be much more worth it.
People who are paying £24K for a car still aren't in the 'oh it's only £4K' category.

I imagine as the engine is only detuned and not smaller it wouldn't be too hard to increase the horsepower as and when the funds are available.
 
ExigeExcel
People who are paying £24K for a car still aren't in the 'oh it's only £4K' category.

I imagine as the engine is only detuned and not smaller it wouldn't be too hard to increase the horsepower as and when the funds are available.

You could slap a turbo charger on but from what I understand from my celica loving days the motors are too different for it to be able to upgrade the 130hp to 190.
 
Now MX-5 owners can't complain "it costs more" when they get a verythurough ass-kicking on any pavement.

Instead of making a new thread on a mildly different topic, the renowned American tuning shop ForcedFed recently ran their turboed Elise "380R" from stop to sixty in less than 3 seconds. The kit retails for 40,000USD on top of your existing Elise.
 
Poverty
You could slap a turbo charger on but from what I understand from my celica loving days the motors are too different for it to be able to upgrade the 130hp to 190.
I was thinking more along the lines of a new chip and new cam .etc.

Though I am by no means knowledgable on tuning.
 
It would be a shame if they didn't bring that over, that's more of the lines of the Elise that I'd be after.

60 Hp doesn't mean much to me in a car weighing under a ton, but 5 to 10 grand does.
 
...And what have you got against teenagers?
Just because most of them are retards who think you can drift in a 4wd Lancer and are addicted to The Fast and the Furry, doesnt mean all of them are. I am living proof of that.
 
Rogue Ssv
...And what have you got against teenagers?
Just because most of them are retards who think you can drift in a 4wd Lancer and are addicted to The Fast and the Furry, doesnt mean all of them are. I am living proof of that.

Fairly sure you just answered your own question there, Rogue...
 
Rogue Ssv
...And what have you got against teenagers?
Just because most of them are retards who think you can drift in a 4wd Lancer and are addicted to The Fast and the Furry, doesnt mean all of them are. I am living proof of that.


Is that a retorical question? When I was a teenager I wasn't responsible enough to handle a car like that. Neither were any of my friends. That's why several of them are in caskets. TEENAGERS SHOULD NOT HAVE CARS LIKE THIS! Period. I speak from experience.

Honestly I don't know if I am responsible enough to handle a sports car now and my teenage years were almost a decade ago. :nervous:
 
Eh, I don't like generalizations either. We've got teenagers driving race cars professionally nowadays...so really ANYBODY can learn to handle a fast car properly.
 
I hope they bring this one over. Generally, cars sell for less in the US than the UK (that's counting exchange rates), for example the 28,000 ($51,000) pound "R" sells for about $40,000 in the US. So I imagine the "S" should sell here for about $30,000, which would put it much more in the range of middle-class enthusiasts. (That's not too big of a leap over a fully loaded Miata or MR2, and less than an S2000.)
 
Well, I for one would like to see it come to the United States, but I doubt that it would happen, as they know sales would slow down quite a bit on the regular version (equal to the 111R in Europe, I think...).

For $30,000 I would call it a far better deal than the new GMPD versions of the Sky and Solstice, the Z4, MX-5, etc.
 
it wouldn't sell in US. too little luxuries, non-automatic and average american probably would not like to humiliate him/herself when getting out from tiny Elise.
 
Rogue Ssv
...And what have you got against teenagers?
Just because most of them are retards who think you can drift in a 4wd Lancer and are addicted to The Fast and the Furry, doesnt mean all of them are. I am living proof of that.
Teenagers? I thought you were twelve?

I can't see the S being too deadly a weapon in the hands of an American teen. 134bhp is pretty potent and the 0-60 time is just the right side of 6 seconds. But you've also got to realise that this isn't going to be a flying lump of steel and carry quite the same momentum as a 1 and a half ton V8.
 
I doubt they will attempt to sell it in the states. The whole reason for it is to be similar in concept to the original Elise with no luxuries - no air-con, no electric windows, no premium sound etc etc. Its offered this way straight from the box with the other options available if you really want them - but its aimed at being a cheep, no frills Elise.


Elegy
Eh, I don't like generalizations either. We've got teenagers driving race cars professionally nowadays...so really ANYBODY can learn to handle a fast car properly.

Those 'teenagers who drive race cars professionally nowadays' (there's always been teen pro drivers actually) have been kart racing since about the age of 8 without fail. They don't just get their road licence at 16 or 17 and work their way up the ladder to be a pro by the age of 19.

They'll have probably 8 seasons of racing experience under their belts before they even get behind the wheel of a road car.

You really can't compare your average teen driver to a similar aged pro.
 
plus there s big difference between bombing it around on a racing track in a controlled enviroment that revving the nuts of it on public roads.
 
Elegy
Eh, I don't like generalizations either. We've got teenagers driving race cars professionally nowadays...so really ANYBODY can learn to handle a fast car properly.


It's not totally about driving experience but about maturity level. Teenages in general .99% of them probably, aren't mature enough to handle a high performance vehicle. As a teen with a car like that you are going to show off for the girls, your friends, and anyone else who will watch. Now drifting is popular so you will have dumbasses sliding around corners on public streets. Drag racing has always been popular so they will be doing that and all that is a recipe for people dying. I'm not saying older people don't do those things but in general teens do. Why do you think it costs a teen twice what it costs me to insure something like an STi?

You can't compare race drivers at any age to normal drivers. You are really spinning that one in your favor.
 
$5 grand difference? Just go for the R then! If it was $10-$15 grand cheaper, then i'd get the S and modify it for $5g to get it to over 200 hp, but for just $5 grand cheaper, i'd get the R.
 
Most teenagers should be in a crappy little FWD Civic or something, a really slow, piss ant little car that they won't kill themselves or anyone else in.

Any teenager that can get into a $30,000 sports car has parents who are too rich to worry about them, or is selling drugs.

I'm 25 and I couldn't justify an Elise S, no matter how hard I tried.
 
To be perfectly honest, I actually don't think ANYBODY should be allowed behind the wheel of any reasonably quick sports car without an advanced driving class degree under their belt. REGARDLESS of their age.

Though, you still kind of proved my point. Given a proper background (karting and such like that), even a young'un can (key word, there) learn to handle a fast machine.
 
ExigeExcel
Teenagers? I thought you were twelve?

HI-YO!!!

ExigeExcel
I can't see the S being too deadly a weapon in the hands of an American teen. 134bhp is pretty potent and the 0-60 time is just the right side of 6 seconds. But you've also got to realise that this isn't going to be a flying lump of steel and carry quite the same momentum as a 1 and a half ton V8.

Most of the mis-haps in the Elise are not with straight-line speed (or hp-related). Remember, the biggest amateur-driver-related accidents with this car are most likely lift-off oversteer. In the middle of a turn, even at a decent speed, the cams switch over, you get a power increase, you let off the gas, and then suddenly the tail slides out, waaay out. You decide to correct the problem by braking, but the very instant you let off the gas again, you're already facing the wrong direction.

Lift-off oversteer in the Elise is tremendous. The same weight behind the driver will cause the same problems, regardless of power.
 
exigeracer
Most of the mis-haps in the Elise are not with straight-line speed (or hp-related). Remember, the biggest amateur-driver-related accidents with this car are most likely lift-off oversteer. In the middle of a turn, even at a decent speed, the cams switch over, you get a power increase, you let off the gas, and then suddenly the tail slides out, waaay out. You decide to correct the problem by braking, but the very instant you let off the gas again, you're already facing the wrong direction.

Lift-off oversteer in the Elise is tremendous. The same weight behind the driver will cause the same problems, regardless of power.
Fair points 👍
 
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