Mad FinnTuners Co.™ - Finished 301010 with GT-Rdammerung - BIG THANKS everyone!

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

I was just asking for a learning experience from your cars sir, could I use your settings? (Rally Only?)I consider it stealing when not asking someone to use there stuff.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Our tunes are for everyone to use, padawan. Feel free to try them out, but in return we would like to have some feedback from our tunes, as in how does it feel, what is wrong with it, did you try to adapt to the car and what kind of driving techniques you used. Oh, and if you try out our track setups, feel free to try and match the laptime set by Greycap.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

I sure will, It would be an honor, but only your Rally Cars. Is that okay?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Sure.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

I only see four with dirt/snow tires. Is there any others? I will start with the Galant. on the Swiss Alps.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I was just asking for a learning experience from your cars sir, could I use your settings? (Rally Only rally only?)I consider it stealing when not asking someone to use there their stuff.

I only see four with dirt/snow tires. Is Are there any others? I will start with the Galant, on at the Swiss Alps.

...can't manage a single sentence! Yet he's at it again!

Nope, we don't need no steenkin' educa-ma-cation!

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I only see four with dirt/snow tires. Is there any others? I will start with the Galant. on the Swiss Alps.

Not for now. There are few customer cars but we probably won't publish them before we know the timetable for GT5's arrival.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

I have one question on the Galant, does it get the driveshaft?
I put the IS0242 rim style on it.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

That's not what I meant.

Go build your car up, run your car at ANY rally circuit and set a time. Then go and build one of their cars up and run it at the same track and compare the time vs your car. I could almost guarantee a 5 second advantage to the Finns.

Actually, let's get someone impartial in here.......I would suggest Parnelli but I don't think you're on the best of terms with him.

I'm up for it. Sure, why not?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I have one question on the Galant, does it get the driveshaft?
I put the IS0242 rim style on it.

No, as the theme for that car was to follow Group A rally rules = No fancy CF parts or such. Thus, no carbon driveshaft.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

He was talkin to me, thankyou.

I will run three laps. The only change I will make is a car-wash, as it has collected some dust.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

He was talkin to me, thank_you.

"thankyou" is not a word. They are two words...."thank" and "you".


This is a public place to post, buddy. I'm not heeding to you, only to Greycap or Leonidae, as they're the ones running this thread (not to mention the mods, occasionally),

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Now, kids, close your eyes, this is not going to be pretty.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

I got your car together, looks fantastic so far!

 

[senamic]

Ooooooooh dear, I just saw who is viewing this thread.

Get in guys, there's room for most of us, some of the young ones might be outside, but such are the sacrifices we make.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Everybody got their popcorn?

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

My best lap was 1:41:241, As far as control was, great as to not having to slam on the brakes. More or less didn't have to use them. You noted it being short on slippage. I didn't get any, Matter of fact I thought it shifted well. Great work guys, much better then mine.

Now I will get the Celica together. My rim style is NI0298, and I gave it a wash. The rims are dang near all black, they look nice on a white car.
Here is my opion; Handled so-so, definintly tighter than the Galant. , Shifting was so-so also. But no slippage. I got a 1:13:947 out of three laps on Cathedral Rocks trail-II.

I do apologize guys, I liked the Galant better. I don't really care much for Celicas, but Mitsubishi never dissapoints.

 

[DK]

T-Fan, you know what they say: "pride goes before the fall". Anyway, where did you do the 1'41:241 lap? Tsukuba?

 

[mafia_boy]

HA ha. Greycap just watched you guys and left it alone. I think he saw too many wolves around T-fan and just went, "🤬 it, I'm not getting into this, yet!" and went.

Parnelli, good to hear that you would do it again, but after reading the past page and a bit it seems like T-Fan just wanted to get MFT's specs to test out for himself and wanted permission so I don't think we have to worry too much at the moment.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Okay here's the official drive. I did one drive with my trusty used Acura around Grand Valley Speedway, and one with the Mugen as requested.

Honestly, I didn't feel any major differencew between the two of them 💡 but there were some minor ones.

Both Integras have the same basic, overall characteristics. Braking comes so naturally, half the time I don't even think about it. Very predictable when it comes to braking. There's no fear of a spin or even a slip under hard braking (even while turning). The car brakes-in late, too. I was using the 100M marker at the end of the Grand Valley straight, for instance, which is as late as I'd usually go.

Let-off the brakes, and here there was a minor difference between Acura and MFT Mugen. Both cars grip-in with tenacity, which I friggin' loved during the PD Cup! I LOVED how as soon as the brakes are off (but the car's still turning-in) it simply does what it's being told to do, and zeroes towards the apex. I realize all Integras (even stock ones) do this, but the MFT version feels honestly more predictable while doing so.

The Acura was a weee bit (teeny tiny bit) more recalcitrant here. AT times, it would understeer a tad if just a little too much speed was being carried. And then it got a little grabby if not enough speed was present mid-corner. But I'm having trouble with Greycap's assessment that it's a "bear" (or whatever he said before all the TFAN stuff showed up this morning). It's a mild difference between both cars, honestly.

Traction is always a premium! That's what I love about Integras when they're near-stock, and in my opinion the MFT Integra still carries this premium even with its added power. 👍 The Acura version would get a tad more wheelspin when powering-out, though; wheras the Mugen would usually take all the power and simply put it to pavement.

Overall, lap times a little quicker in the Mugen, which I attribute to the fact that it's lighter and had slightly better traction. I could get on its gas a tad earlier out of hairpin areas and the chicanes, etc.


Acura: 2:13.832

Mugen: 2:12.374

Not my best work by any means. I'll make a quick note on the tranny, which fit perfectly at GV. Not sure if it was meant to...but it fit so perfectly, I almost forgot to mention it till now!

Finally, I was wondering exactly what the trunk ballast is there for. I had to remove it during the PD Cup early on because this extra weight was causing extra tire wear, as well as interfering with me calculating power/weight ratios for my webpage. So the best way to see what it does (now that I'm not racing) is to remove it!

Without the weight, the car was faster around Grand Valley by almost a second in my hands BUT I did notice its predictability went down a few notches. Zeroing into a turn took more caution. I also couldn't 'toss' the MFT Integra as much without its rearward weight without it losing its composure. There was also more FWD wheelspin showing up in 2nd gear out of slower areas, odd since the extra weight is placed in the back instead of the front.


Well, that's it guys. Overall great work as usual.

How about .....a tune...of the..

EDIT: dammit I"m looking for something you haven't done yet! Wanted to list a Mustang (as this is the car I'll be driving for the Continental Tire Challenge over in Online-Long Term Racing section) but it turns out you've already got a tune for EVERY Mustang!

...give me a few, I'll think of something next.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

No I got that time on the Swiss Alps, Driftking.

I next will test thier Rally Cars.

 

[Greycap]

HA ha. Greycap just watched you guys and left it alone.

Pretty much this. I know my own skills well enough to have little need for arguing about who's best at what. Thinking that one knows everything about everything is a good thing, self confidence always is, but there's something even better.

Knowing that you don't know everything.

But on to other things.

Parnelli Bone - That's what I most definitely consider a proper review! Let's see.

The continuing scheme here seems to be predictability and admittedly the car is just that, very neutral for a FWD and often even feeling like a 4WD. The biggest difference between the Acura and Honda versions is the slight mushiness of the Acura, more pronounced in bone stock cars but apparently also still noticable when tuning is applied. And it's that mushiness, or more the lack of it, that makes it easier (at least to me) to trust the Honda when throwing it into the corners.

Traction is indeed available in comfortable quantities - the lack of torque probably helping - and as mentioned in the description "one of the test drivers used special cams to raise the power to 275 bhp and the car was still fully drivable", that was obviously me trying out the Stage 2 NA. It made the car faster by a second, perhaps one and a half, but the corner exits took a slight hit. I then proceeded to equip it with R1 tyres and took it out to the Type R meeting where it easily crushed the NSX-R.

The gearbox isn't tailor made for GVS as such but I've said it before and I say it again, the full throttle section of that course is so long that if the gearing works there it'll work just about anywhere. Experience has proven this to a wide degree.

The weight is an interesting thing, as you noticed it improves the handling but slightly damages the pace. It's a textbook example of the way of thinking portrayed in our opening post, "We aim to produce the most enjoyable driving experience, even if it means losing half a second on a lap. After all, it will be the faster way in a long run." and surely enough if I had to take this car to an endurance race I'd take the ballast with me. One screwed turn-in per lap is enough to lose the advantage gained by the lower weight and those situations are far easier to get into without the ballast.

And if you really want that Mustang, ask for one. I think it's safe to say that one made specifically for your needs would be better for you than any of those on display, not to mention that we get better day by day and the newest one of those three is already two years old. Time really flies!

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

So I am not the best at dirt driving, but I think i'm decent. And I'm not that good at giving a great review on them two. I thought also that a dirt track doesn't have a certain, "apex". You guys say that you do customize cars for people. Would you guys build one for me? With sincere worksmanship. I was wanting,"The General, or Herbie the love bug."

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

We already have released Charger and the old beetle.

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

Where at?

 

[Famine]

Where at?

This is just a guess, but since most sensible people making big lists organise everything in post 1... post 1?

 

[TOURNIQUETFAN]

Duh, JDK(T-FAN). I asked for the wrong thing, my apologies I meant I would really like the Dukes of Hazards-The general, as a rally car. I only seen the Superbee listed. Now if I missed it I am sorry.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Parnelli Bone - That's what I most definitely consider a proper review! Let's see.

The continuing scheme here seems to be predictability and admittedly the car is just that, very neutral for a FWD and often even feeling like a 4WD. The biggest difference between the Acura and Honda versions is the slight mushiness of the Acura, more pronounced in bone stock cars but apparently also still noticable when tuning is applied. And it's that mushiness, or more the lack of it, that makes it easier (at least to me) to trust the Honda when throwing it into the corners.

Traction is indeed available in comfortable quantities - the lack of torque probably helping - and as mentioned in the description "one of the test drivers used special cams to raise the power to 275 bhp and the car was still fully drivable", that was obviously me trying out the Stage 2 NA. It made the car faster by a second, perhaps one and a half, but the corner exits took a slight hit. I then proceeded to equip it with R1 tyres and took it out to the Type R meeting where it easily crushed the NSX-R.

The gearbox isn't tailor made for GVS as such but I've said it before and I say it again, the full throttle section of that course is so long that if the gearing works there it'll work just about anywhere. Experience has proven this to a wide degree.

The weight is an interesting thing, as you noticed it improves the handling but slightly damages the pace. It's a textbook example of the way of thinking portrayed in our opening post, "We aim to produce the most enjoyable driving experience, even if it means losing half a second on a lap. After all, it will be the faster way in a long run." and surely enough if I had to take this car to an endurance race I'd take the ballast with me. One screwed turn-in per lap is enough to lose the advantage gained by the lower weight and those situations are far easier to get into without the ballast.

I would agree. You lose some speed due to the Integra's ballast, but the car genuinely feels like something other than an Integra. And as I noted before (I think) it also gets more tossable with the weight in place.

I mean, if this was GT2, putting weight back there would probably make an FWD car slip and slide more from the rear, especially because front-drive cars could actually oversteer in this game if one swung them around with enough force.

And if you really want that Mustang, ask for one. I think it's safe to say that one made specifically for your needs would be better for you than any of those on display, not to mention that we get better day by day and the newest one of those three is already two years old. Time really flies!

Well...

I was noticing the '05 Mustang one of you guys made has aerodynamics (wings) installed. Perhaps you could build one without the wings? It also doesn't need to be super-powerful...the D2C really can't handle too much power as portrayed in GT4 because PD screwed up the rear tire's ability to handle traction when accelerating from a dead-stop.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I mean, if this was GT2, putting weight back there would probably make an FWD car slip and slide more from the rear, especially because front-drive cars could actually oversteer in this game if one swung them around with enough force.

They still can... Just takes very "wrong" suspension settings. And said wrong settings also cause on-power oversteer.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

They still can... Just takes very "wrong" suspension settings. And said wrong settings also cause on-power oversteer.

Yea but you still have to force it in GT4, unless we're talking a really bad tire combination. In the first two games, milder cornering could cause the rear to get loose in some cars, even if they were FWDs. Fun stuff, actually.

Sedans and wagons were more prone to this of course, since they have larger trunk areas. I have a replay from my GT1 days where I drifted an Accord Wagon sideways in the first Grand Valley hairpin. As I was sideways, the rear tires actually went off-course into the sand! Didn't matter...the car kept on drifting, and then its front-wheel drive pulled it back fully onto the track safely!!