Mad FinnTuners Co. - Finished 081213 - The Final Countdown, 4, 3, 2, 1, OUT!

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Like say...a Mini Cooper.
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But if you want one, you'll get one. The problem is that there are what, five of them in the game?
Keep up the good work lads, not surprised that this thread is the most viewed thread of all in the Tuning Section.
Err, it certainly is not. In GT4 we led the field by quite a margin but this time we didn't jump on the bandwagon right from the start and as a result the train left without us, a few others gaining such followings in those first weeks with "a car a day" release rates that they're impossible to catch. So we'll fight back with quality, quantity is out of question with full day jobs and hobbies other than just GT5.
 
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But if you want one, you'll get one. The problem is that there are what, five of them in the game?

Err, it certainly is not. In GT4 we led the field by quite a margin but this time we didn't jump on the bandwagon right from the start and as a result the train left without us, a few others gaining such followings in those first weeks with "a car a day" release rates that they're impossible to catch. So we'll fight back with quality, quantity is out of question with full day jobs and hobbies other than just GT5.

I jumped to conclusion too fast. lol. But its one of the top viewed threads out there and its damn sure not for the quantity.
 
Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 #83'69

565 bhp, 76 kgfm, 1085 kg
Painted in Hugger Orange from Chevrolet


Clickable for full size

Parts to fit:
Oil Change
New Wheels, original RM wheels
Racing Modification
Rigidity Improvement
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Titanium Racing Exhaust
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Supercharger
Fully Customizable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi Racing Flywheel
Carbon Propeller Shaft
Fully Customizable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension Kit
Racing Hard Tyres

Cost: Approx. ~370 000Cr.

Aerodynamics
Downforce: 20 / 50

Transmission

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.869
2nd: 1.816
3rd: 1.268
4th: 0.940
5th: 0.739
Final Gear: 3.890

Top speed: 340 km/h

Fully Customizable LSD
Initial Torque: 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 25
Braking Sensitivity: 25

Suspension
Ride Height Adjustment (mm): -15 / 15
Spring Rate (kgf/mm): 9.5 / 8.0
Dampers (Extension): 10 / 5
Dampers (Compression): 2 / 2
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 / 5
Camber Angle (-): 2.3 / 2.0
Toe Angle: -0.40 / -0.30

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 0 / 0

Driving Options
ASM: Off
TCS: 0
ABS: 0

Yup, She's back and faster than ever. She's lighter than before, has more power and new skirts and spoilers to keep her glued on the road. Despite of all these impressive improvements and good looks, you have to remember that she's a true oldschool ponycar, hence, she might not be as nimble as her modern counterparts. You also need to remember, that if you treat her like a lady, she will always get you up to pole position.

P.S. She's a screamer.
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Hello guys. I just wanted to say I entered a '69 Camaro SS in the Supercar Nostalgia Cup this weekend, and was having some problems. The car was stock at first, with power-restricted. I like driving cars in A-spec mode with as little tuning as possible, you see. There were also no aids (no ABS, no brake balancer either) so obviously I had my work cut out for me. Kept adding power until I was pushing nearly 430 hp and still not able to keep up with the Lambos & Ferraris. It was obvious power was not the answer, I had to start tuning some underparts. Eventually I turned to MFT. Here's the story...



...hold on...gettting interrupted at work.
 
Just dropped in to say, thanks for sharing these tunes, I decided to try one out, to rediscover the fun in GT5. I took your Ferrari California GTC '08 tune, and decided to try out the reverse Autumn Ring seasonal. after a few practise rounds falling in 3rd place, I knew the car and driver(me) had what it took to get to 1st. with Laptimes around 1:20s, I managed to get into 1st chasing them around the 5th lap. It felt like an expert challenge.

I felt I had to drop front ride height just by 1, to combat that slight mundane understeer. This is just my opinion, and again, I know nothing about tuning, but the car to me felt overall, like it lacked Ferrari feel, and felt like a Subaru 4WD around Laguna did. not to be mean, it's just my feel, or perhaps it's just GT5 programming and choice of track at the time, but hey, your tune won 1st for me, so thanks again.
 
Here's the story...
Psst... when you continue the story, cut the quote too when you're at it.
If you want to quote the setup post, please keep it down to the essentials. Do not quote the entire post. Partly because it doesn't do too much good for the readability of the thread but mainly because the setup may be changed and we don't want people making a review based on the setup they found in the quote when browsing the thread as it may differ quite greatly from the improved version.
Lambob - I don't know what "Ferrari feel" means, all but one (512BB) of them I've tried have been pretty hopeless. First understeer and then oversteer added to the said understeer. But what you're experiencing is probably the S3 tyres being at the limits of their useful speed envelope, the car is so fast that it's really pushing the sports tyres. And it really isn't a dream to drive, it never was and never will be - because it's a California. Thanks for the review though, you seem to have picked one of the more awkward creations to break the ice!
 
^Sorry. I quoted the text so you would know which car I drove, but I forgot you haven't got as many GT5 tunes up yet. I also wanted to see what settings you guys actually used for the car, so I could reference them as I reviewed.

Anyways, I finally got to the Supercar Nostalgia cup this weekend. I'm going thru the game at a very slow pace because, well, actually I have multiple games. 12 games at the moment! So I switch from one "driver" to the next. Last week's driver is from the trailer park, and drives only American cars (with a few beat up imports here and there).

In America, there is such a stereotype...the guy or girl who lives in the trailer park, has a beer gut, has hardly any money, yet their car or motorcycle is a sweet ride because he or she puts ALL of their time into making it a sweet ride.

Anyways, I get to the Supercar Nostalgia Cup and decide it would be fun to take a muscle car up against those Ferraris & Lambos! :D And it just happend that I just got a '69 Camaro SS. Yea, I know the MFT car is a Z28, not the SS, but that part comes later.

I did some practicing and then entered the race with power seriously restricted. I think I started with about 260 hp, hard sport tires, and no other tuning whatsoever (except turning off all the Aids + Brake Balancer). I was thinking I'd blow away the competition. Every A-spec race so far, I've had to restrict power in some way, you see.

Wrong. Turns out, I had to keep adding power. I was up to 430 hp and still not able to keep up with the competition. Finally, I decided I'd better start getting some tuning involved.

I started with a height-adjustable sport suspension, and quickly upgraded to full-custom parts. At first, I just bilked up the springs & anti-roll bars to get the car from leaning, dipping, and swaying so much. Then I added front camber (about 2.5 degrees). I added a limited-slip...something like 15/35/20, but it turns out this actually made the car's traction WORSE out of turns because the entire rear-end would lock up and get squirrely unless I eased in the throttle.

I was getting desperate for a win. I think I managed 2nd place at best, but was fighting the car more than I was enjoying it. who to call?

Enter MFT. :)

First, I put in the MFT LSD. 5/25/25. How can this possibly work? I thought. The initial setting seems way too low; doesn't seem as though it'll be able to hook-up fast enough. But interestingly, this LSD really made a difference. I could now let in the throttle in a much more careless fashion, only occasionally would the car get squirrely. The rear-end was now smooth as ..... well, it was a lot easier to work with. Score one.

But the car was still handling terribly into and during those turns. Way too much downtime (fighting understeer) and also way too flimsy, despite my stiffened settings. So I tried the MFT suspension settings, with two exceptions: no rear camber or toe. Camaros have always had a live rear axle, which is a straight housing from left to right, until the most recent generation, so I had to keep this part true.

And we have liftoff, Houston. 👍 >) I don't know how you guys do it. I had the front of the Camaro sitting slightly higher than the rear (an effort at better traction). I think my settings for height was something like +10/-5. The MFT setting of -15/+15 seems like it'll be way too oversteery, since the Camaro's rear is light and with such a setting the trunk will now be jacked up. But somehow it works.

Granted, I'm not driving the full MFT car yet. I had to add Medium Sport tires to get that extra edge and finally win the race, but I feel I couldn't have done it without MFT. Now, the full writeup.

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'69 Chevy Camaro Z28 #83 302

Right away I'm noticing how solid this car feels, as I took it back to Rome. Obviously the racing tires help, but it's also the fact that traction is always guaranteed, even though power is maxed up and these aren't the softest of tires. #83 always scoots away from turns with nary a prob.

Despite the lack of brake assistance, braking is also never a problem. My car, for instance, could only be braked in a straight line. Turning while braking was a sure-fire way to get into a slicey slide. Oops. Well the MFT Camaro also could get into a slide if I braked and turned too hard, but ONLY if I braked & turned too hard. Mellow turns (while braking) are now okay, even at lower speeds when aerodynamics aren't helping the Camaro along.

I choose to race older cars like this one with ABS off, but I also eschew the balancer for ALL cars (unless they're actually race modified) because using the balancer in A-spec mode is just overkill in my opinion. It's cool to see you guys also have no ABS or balancer on this machine. That's how I like 'em. :)

Only criticisms I have are a bit of understeer into the Collisseum turn, and maybe once or twice in some other turns but this assumes I didn't brake enough beforehand. Whenever some plowing showed up, #83 helped me to get rid of it. Damage control is definitely an immediate option for this car (unlike my ride).

There was also a bit of grabbing sometimes during slower areas. I'd get into the turn, give a bit too much steering, and the car would comply. But notice: it is complying! This is an improvement over my Camaro, which only understeered or just barely gripped during slower areas. Score 3. Or whatever.

The transmission is geared right and balanced...typical MFT stuff, and I could only use gears 2 thru 4 at Rome. As I get to know #83 more and more (during online & Seasonal races) I'll start to appreciate it further. I NEVER tune gearboxes on my own unless I absolutely have to. I imagine this gearbox could be employed at Nurburgring or SS Route 7 for sure.

I'm really liking this car. It'll probably be a while till I'm able to use it in the game, but I'll definitely show up some peeps online with it!

Now, are you guys still building cars after a review is done? If so, can you build me a Tesla Roadster? :D Build it so it can race hard online at a track like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain?
 
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Oi! Leonidae! Where's my HSR II?!! -.- Anyways, I've finally got around to writing it, my review for the Evora. Now, this is my first 'proper' review since I got back, so I'm still a tad bit rusty, so just bear with me…

Lotus Evora review:

Before: (completely stock, as it came out of the box)

Well, it’s a typical Lotus. That is to say it handles beautifully, great fun, but a bit…wet, frankly, in terms of lap times. It has a fair amount of grip and oversteer to keep things interesting. This is a good, fun car. But it isn’t problem-free. The engine, for instance, it may have 280hp, but it comes in one big lump at the redline and only lasts for around 500 rpm, and when you shift up, the power’s gone. It can’t hide its weight that well either. 1330kg isn’t a lot, but it’s not exactly light weight, is it? It handles very well, yes, but when you drive it, you can feel the weight impeding performance and slightly diluting the experience. It just doesn’t deliver as much as you’d expect. It’s a beginner’s Lotus, put it that way. Fun, but not too scary, fast, just not that fast.

Lap Times:
Top Gear Test Track- 1:21.580
Laguna Seca- 1:38.665
Suzuka Circuit- 2:21.030

After (‘Normal‘ setup)-
Oh. My. God. ****. I’m scared. This feels so loose, so edgy, so unforgiving that you really won’t believe it’s the same car. Of course, with 200 extra horses added and over 200kg taken away, you’d expect it to bite harder. But seriously, ‘Normal will be more suitable for casual drivers who don't want to have their buttocks bitten off by the car’? *Right...so the ‘casual driver’ in question will like their car to oversteer 90º with every given opportunity? Normal my arse. This car needs you to baby it through the corners, gently applying the power as opposed to nailing it and shouting like an idiot. It can play, you just need to play by its rules. It’s fun, but dangerous, serious fun. No joking about. Gun it when you’re driving over a bumpy section of track? It’ll try to spit you off. Nail it when the nose isn’y pointed straight? Sideways. The balance you need to strike with this car is so fine, you can’t allow for any slip ups. It’s such a fine balance that even my most competent of bob’s had trouble handling it. It was a nightmare getting it around Laguna Seca and Suzuka. I could feel it taunting me, twitching free from my control, running ever so slightly wide on sections of track where even the slightest misjudgment on the line will have you buried in the armco. If this is what’s called normal in the world of MFT, I dread to think what pro would be like...

Lap Times:
Top Gear Test Track- 1:12.018
Laguna Seca- 1:33.795
Suzuka Circuit- 2:10.629

After (‘Pro’ setup)-
As expected, it’s even more unforgiving. I have never had to concentrate so hard to get this car around a track. ‘Normal’ was already pushing the boundaries of how precise I could be with a DS3, ‘Pro’ needs me to be constantly on the very edge of those boundaries. Hold the power on 25% midway through a corner, 50% approaching exit, 75% on exit and then 100% when the car is pointing straight. And all the time be wary of the fact that one mistake will have you facing the way you came. Now, this wouldn’t be so bad if I was only testing on the TGTT, a wide, open track. But on tracks like Suzuka and Laguna Seca where the walls are often only separated by a strip of sand, trying to recover from a slide or spin will be a lot harder. And the consequences much more painful. It doesn’t like bumpy tracks this. Not even slightly. Trying to keep this straight is a constant oversteering nightmare. It does not forgive. And the lack of downforce adjustments made is also slightly frightening. Is 15 really enough? No. But this lairy lunacy does pay off, look at the difference in lap times. It was over 3 seconds faster on the TGTT and Laguna Seca, and over 1 second faster on Suzuka. This is seriously quick. And though it’s as unforgiving as hell and a constant, sweaty knife edge, I love it.

Lap Times:
Top Gear Test Track- 1:10.721
Laguna Seca- 1:30.510
Suzuka Circuit- 2:09.539

*Quick Notes- The final 2 gear ratios for ‘Pro’ doesn’t exist due to update 1.10 and the Pro car’s lead over the normal one is smaller when the track is tighter and more complex*
 
I guess that your difficulties exist because of the difference between controllers. I have G27, which allows a lot more finesse and delicate adjustments on throttle and steering. But for me, Evora is just a playful little track toy, not this lethal monster you described.
Your Mitsu is still under progress, as it is damn hard to dial out the understeer without VCD, and those ridiculous airfoils don't help either. Ugh.. Some concept cars should be left rotting into the museums instead of bringing them into games.. However, I wouldn't mind if Nissan Mid-4 concept would find it's way into the game :D
 
Well I'm only a broke kid! I can't afford fancy wheels like you can I? :grumpy: Isn't it your job to make tunes for everyone? :D Anyways, it's not a lethal monster, it's lethal fun :D
 
If you'd work as hard on earning money as posting, you wouldn't be broke. *runs* :D :lol:
 
Yea, you better, cuz you lot ain't the only ones with an axe! :mischievous: I has a………um……very sharp pencil :lol: Nah, I know people from teh HK mafia :D (No I don't) and I'm barely starting my GCSE's yet, how can I 'earn money'?! -.-
 
Under aged employment is illegal you know :D so yea, run and hide, Leonidae, cower from the might of my pointy pencil :lol: :D
 
Under aged employment is illegal you know :D so yea, run and hide, Leonidae, cower from the might of my pointy pencil :lol: :D

Surely we can find a sweatshop somewhere in HK that needs the floors swept and mopped and the trash hauled out by an industrious Onboy. Should be good for at least 50 cents or pence or whatever your change is there in HK to scrub a few toilets and wash a couple Windows.:D
 
Oh shaddup :) weren't we supposed to not be doing this? Especially after the mods and all...and no, 50 cents is too little. The minimum pay here for workers is something like 6k a month.
 
Leonidae, will the Nissan 2000GTR KPGsomethingorother tune work for the one from the 1970s? The current tune is for teh 1973 one, so I thought I'd ask…
 
Good to hear that the car has helped you to overcome your fear towards RR layout! It indeed can be bit sluggish when driven in a careful manner, but this car needs an active driving style, and as you started to push it, it improved, did it not?

And regarding the removal of pics from our old GT4 department: Greycap was paying each month to keep the photos there, and he wanted to cut the costs, thus, the old photo server had to go. And since we no longer have most of the photos, it's unlikely that they'll return. Makes the old ghost garage even more creepy, doesn't it? :lol:

Ah. Initially when I drove it, it felt odd. I tried to get the hang of the car by driving sedately, but to no avail. I was about to try to tune it myself (with my almost non-existent skill in the area) but after a "stroll" through the pit lane for new tyres and fuel, I took it out for one last lap. First thing I did was brake (slightly) late, throw myself and the car into the corner and hope that I wouldn't find the wall. Sure enough, the car made it through safely, and after some countersteer was on its way again. That gave me one unusual, but nonetheless a useful lesson. Normally I have a quite aggressive driving style, but GT4 scared me out of that. :(

P.S. Greycap, you actually put back up 188 hyperlinks in the haunted house???!!! :scared: :nervous: :eek:
 
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Leonidae, will the Nissan 2000GTR KPGsomethingorother tune work for the one from the 1970s? The current tune is for teh 1973 one, so I thought I'd ask…

It should, it's essentially same car with different chassis.

Ah. Initially when I drove it, it felt odd. I tried to get the hang of the car by driving sedately, but to no avail. I was about to try to tune it myself (with my almost non-existent skill in the area) but after a "stroll" through the pit lane for new tyres and fuel, I took it out for one last lap. First thing I did was brake (slightly) late, throw myself and the car into the corner and hope that I wouldn't find the wall. Sure enough, the car made it through safely, and after some countersteer was on its way again. That gave me one unusual, but nonetheless a useful lesson. Normally I have a quite aggressive driving style, but GT4 scared me out of that. :(

P.S. Greycap, you actually put back up 188 hyperlinks in the haunted house???!!! :scared: :nervous: :eek:

Some of our cars are like that. :D And indeed he did put the links back, and due to being the lost kin of Horatio Caine, he ended it with :cool:..
 
Right, just a heads up, an oversteery (and pathetic) attempt at a review of the Ruf BTR will be coming your way. Sideways, obviously :scared: :dopey: :D
 
Ruf BTR review:

Before: (Stock, as it came out of the box)
Well, it’s an old Ruf. What do you expect? Oversteer, shred tyres, crash, crawl back on to track, rinse and repeat at next corner. It’s a handling nightmare. I couldn’t even get to the first corner in this without it swapping ends. You can’t drive this normally, you have to either baby it through the corners, wait till you feel very certain that the track is now straight and flat, then feed the power in. Or you could do what I did, shout ‘BANZAI!!!!’ at the top of your voice and hold both the power and the brakes down on entry to a corner in the hope that this will make the weight transfer (or whatever it is) more gentle, then just put your foot down (or finger, in my case) and hope for the best as you slither out of the corner sideways, leaving strips of rubber all over the track as you wrestle this pig and try and stop it spinning. You need to either be millimeter precise or just stupid. In my case, the latter. But it is HUGELY rewarding when you rescue this drunken lunatic from a spin. It makes you feel strong, confident, capable. Until you get to the next corner. It’s not at all consistent, being relatively docile then becoming an unforgiving brute with an appetite for blood and tyres. And yet the best time it could manage was a 1:23.805. So despite all the smoke and the power and the lack of weight, it’s slower than a stock Lotus Evora, which is heavier, less powerful, less of a handful, and isn’t all that fast either.


After:
Better. At least it handles like a car now. It will still bite, but not as often and when it does, not as hard. Actually, that’s a lie. There’s no real difference when it lets go, but as long as you treat it with respect, it’ll stay on the track. Or try to. The weight transfer seems smoother, perhaps due to the wing, but mostly due to the fact that the brakes are set to be at their least intrusive. 0/0. Now, that does mean braking distances will be slightly longer, but you won’t really notice the difference. It’s also more stable. The wing, though it doesn’t provide a lot of downforce, is just enough to keep it planted at high speeds. But don’t think that is now a car for you to fling around with gay abandon. It’s still a snorting 660hp monster at heart. It still demands you to give it enormous respect, it’s just slightly more forgiving and easier to have fun with. In fact, in terms of on the edge fun, I find this to be more entertaining than the Evora. That was fun, but it was also barely harnessed lunacy. This is the same, but because it’s a Ruf, you take more precautions with it with that thought of a RR layout in your head, so you’re much more cautious and alert. And the few things you need to keep in mind are the following. 1) Keep it off the grass at ALL times. It doesn’t matter if the fastest line is over the grass, you do not do it. You do that, and regardless of how small the corner, it’ll bite. 2) Don’t shift up midway through a corner even if you’re hitting the limiter when you are sideways, do that, and you’ll lose power and go the other way. 3) Always follow rules 1 and 2, regardless of the situation, or a crash and death with ensue. If you follow those simple rules, this car will be a blast to drive. It’s no longer scary, the lairy, drunk cornering attitude has been toned down a lot. Bob is still having trouble with it, but hey, who cares about him? This is now a proper handling, user friendly(-ish) Ruf which doesn’t need to be driven at 5mph. In fact, with a time of 1:10.644, it’s not just fast for a high powered Ruf, it’s fast, full stop. Oh, and did I mention that this is now a hoot to drive? I love it. There’s no other way of putting it, I love this car. I have a small hatred against Rufs, but this is an exception.

Lap Times- (only one track this time, as I wished to keep my sanity)
1:23.805 (before)
1:10.644 (after)
 
Hmm…I wonder what I should write about next? The history of GTRs with MFT car? Viper vs GT? Or a normal black and white review of a random car?
 
Right then, I shall pick the car that has caused you headache after headache, the Alfa 8C! Let's see if it was worth you tearing your hair out just to finish the tune :D Oh, and for my tune request, guess what? I want an Alfa 147 GTA done :lol: your understeering Italian nightmare has just begun :mischievous: :lol: :D
 
Your lotus evora tune is amazing, the only thing is, is it meant to slide whilst braking?
 
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