max power....

when fully tuned, which mitsubishi evo has the most horsepower? is it the RS? or MR?


also, also at full tune, which rx-7 is most powerful? its not the spirit R right? i forget......please help... any clues will be appreciated.
 
I'm fairly sure the MR has the most horsepower.

And I'm pretty sure the most powerful RX-7 is the RX-7 LM Race Car, although if you mean road cars, then I think its the RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02. Rotary Junkie will probably confirm or correct this.
 
The MR is the more powerful, a bit lighter, and should be better from every aspect.
 
Yeah, the most powerful street version RX-7 is the Spirit R (639hp and it flies with it), but if memory serves... The 6.2 mile Bathurst R is right there too. The 6.2 mile 1995 Type R-S is light after being stripped (about 10kg lighter than the Spirit when stripped) and can make good power; the 1992 Type RZ is the lightest when stock, but the heaviest when stripped.

Also, the older cars have less grip than the newer versions, as there were quite a few suspension changes along with the facelift in... I want to say 1998.... Maybe 1999. The early cars can be axe-murderers, but are IMO more rewarding to drive.
 
You're pretty much on the ball there RJ. Some research I've done googling has said that the Bathurst R has the highest power/weight ratio of all the RX7's apparantly. But after all the work, it's only 1hp less than the Spirit R Type A and almost identical weights aswell.

As for the Evo, the Evo 8 GSR MR is the most powerful at over 550hp, but from memory I don't think it has the best power/weight ratio after being worked. :odd: From memory, that was the Evo 5 or 6. I'll find out for ya when I get a chance on the PS2.
 
The advantage of using a CT9A Evolution is that your cars will come equipped with a more advanced ACD and come exclusively with AYC, which makes up for its weight from rigidity reinforcements.
Also, the older cars have less grip than the newer versions
All of the first-generation FD used thinner tires, too.
 
You're pretty much on the ball there RJ. Some research I've done googling has said that the Bathurst R has the highest power/weight ratio of all the RX7's apparantly. But after all the work, it's only 1hp less than the Spirit R Type A and almost identical weights aswell.
That's actually correct. The Bathurst R in its low mileage form has 1,6786833855799373040752351097179 kg/bhp and the Spirit R has 1,6833073322932917316692667706708 kg/bhp. The Bathurst R wins by less than five grams per horsepower but it wins nevertheless. :sly:
 
The Bathurst isn't available as a 6.2 car.
I think that the lowest milageage Bathurst available is 10149.4.

It is, actually. Week 51 according to Famine's guide.

Would you like a photo too. :) I've got a 10.0km version (my FR drag RX7, #4 in 1/4 miles), in Sunburst Yellow. Stock figures are as I'm reading them in my garage WITHOUT OIL CHANGE (I went over to check it).

Power: 217Kw/6500rpm
Torque: 329.18Nm/5000rpm
Weight: 1260kg
Value when sold: Cr. 7,220
 
It is, actually. Week 51 according to Famine's guide.

now that i would like to buy. i've driven different FD's lately, and i have found the Bathurst R to be the fastest. i also like that Sunburst Yellow color..,

(plays I.D.A.S. Ver. 3 music "Save Me")

Would you like a photo too. :) I've got a 10.0km version (my FR drag RX7, #4 in 1/4 miles), in Sunburst Yellow. Stock figures are as I'm reading them in my garage WITHOUT OIL CHANGE (I went over to check it).

Please do post a picture.., :)
 
No, there isn't one for NTSC.

But there is a 1995 Type R-S 6.2 miler for NTSC, which weighs 1071kg stripped and makes 638hp max. Same as the Bathurst.
 
According to Glowing_Ice's "10km Used Car Special" guide over at GameFAQS (I'm guessing it's for the NTSC/US version), the Bathurst is available during weeks 25, 27 and 75.

Would you like some ice for that nasty BURN!?!?! j/k! :D

I was going off of the "Gran Turismo 4 Complete Used Car Cycle (NTSC/NA)" excel sheet that I got off of this site which dosn't list a Bathrust RX-7 available w/ 6.2 miles on it.
The only ones available at that milage were the following:
1992 RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) - week 75
1995 RX-7 Type R-S (FD, J) - week 46
1985 RX-7 GT-Limited (FC, J) - weeks 13,14,67

No, there isn't one for NTSC.

But there is a 1995 Type R-S 6.2 miler for NTSC, which weighs 1071kg stripped and makes 638hp max. Same as the Bathurst.

That one I did see in the list. I just wasn't aware of its capabilitys.
 
But at 1071kg, it's actually heavier than the later model RX7's after weight reduction, can't beat all the carbon fibre in the Bathurst R. ;)

Also, here's the photos for the 10.0km Bathurst R I'm talking about. I affectionately call him 'Bumblebee'. :D

Click for full res pic. ;)




Hope this helps people.

NOTE: THIS IS FOR THE PAL VERSION NOT NTSC!!
 
:odd: I'll be back...........

*checks PS2*

So it is. :lol: That's funny.

Comparo time then RJ. Work the R-S, I'll do the Bathurst R and we've both got the Spirit R. Compare power and torque figures (in Kw/Nm & hp/ft-lb) so we know which is THE best of the lot. ;)
 
R-S is 638hp@6500, 492 ft-lb torque @ 5000. Spirit is 639 and 500 flat. (Actually, they both show 630hp @ the "get in/sell" screen)
 
Okay, I'm doing Kw/Nm 1st so I'll edit and add on to this.

Bathurst R w/S5 turbo = 468Kw/6500rpm, 675.42Nm/5000rpm
Bathurst R w/S4 turbo = 469Kw/6500rpm, 669.93Nm/5000rpm

Now with hp/ft-lb.

Bathurst R w/S5 turbo = 628hp/6500rpm, 498.49ft-lb./5000rpm
Bathurst R w/S4 turbo = 629hp/6500rpm, 494.44ft-lb/5000rpm

Note: It still shows 638 & 637 in selection screen, but I'm assuming that's 638ps.
 
So since we are talking about RX-7's here, can someone explain to me the diffrences between the car models? RZ, RS, R-S, RS-R , TYPE-R, etc.

I know that for Skylines it goes GTR, GTR V-spec, N1 (I place the N1 higher because as I understand it, it is stripped for racing though it might make less HP than a fully tuned V-spec)
 
Paragon, for you from wikipedia:

wikipedia
Series 6 (1992–1995) was exported throughout the world and had the highest sales. In Japan, Mazda sold the RX-7 through its Efini brand as the Efini RX-7. Only the 1993–1995 model years were sold in the U.S. and Canada.
Series 6 came with 255 hp (190 kW) and 217ft·lbf. Series 7 (1996–1998) included minor changes to the car. Updates included a simplified vacuum routing manifold and a 16-bit ECU allowing for increased boost which netted an extra 10 hp (7 kW).
In Japan, the Series 7 RX-7 was marketed under the Mazda brand name. The Series 7 was also sold in Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Series 7 RX-7s were produced only in right-hand-drive configuration.

Series 8 (January 1999– August 2002) was the final series, and was only available in the Japanese market. More efficient turbochargers were installed, while improved intercooling and radiator cooling was made possible by a revised frontal area.
The seats, steering wheel, and front and rear lights were all changed. The rear spoiler was modified and gained adjustability. The top-of-the-line "Type RS" came equipped with a Bilstein suspension and 17" wheels as standard equipment, and reduced weight to 1280 kg (2822 lb). Power was 280 PS (276 hp, 208 kW) (with 330 N·m (243 ft·lbf) of torque) as per the maximum Japanese limit.
The Type RZ version included all the features of the Type RS, but at a lighter weight (at 1270 kg). It also featured custom gun-metal colored BBS wheels and a custom red racing themed interior. Further upgrades included a new 16-bit ECU and ABS system upgrades. The improved ABS system worked by braking differently on each wheel, allowing the car better turning during braking. The effective result made for safer driving for the average buyer.

Easily the most collectible of all the RX-7s was the last 1,500 run-out specials. Dubbed the "Spirit R", they combined all the "extra" features Mazda had used on previous limited-run specials and all sold within days of being announced. They still command amazing prices on the Japanese used car scene years later. There are three kinds of "Spirit R": the "Type A", "Type B", and "Type C". The "Type A", which accounts for 500 of the 1,500 "Spirit" models produced, has a 5-speed manual transmission, and is said to have the best performance of the three models. The "Type B" has a 2+2 seat configuration and also sports a 5-speed manual transmission, 500 of which were also made. "The Spirit C" is also a 2+2, but has a 4-speed automatic transmission and 500 were made.

There is also a "Touring Model" which includes a sun roof, and Bose stereo system. Compared to the R1 and R2 which both don't have a moon roof, and they have an extra front oil cooler in the front bumper, and other race modification equipment.

The third and final generation of the RX-7, FD (with FD3S for the JDM and JM1FD for the USA VIN), was an outright, no-compromise sports car by Japanese standards. It featured an aerodynamic, futuristic-looking body design (a testament to its near 11-year lifespan). The 13B-REW was the first-ever mass-produced sequential twin-turbocharger system to export from Japan, boosting power to 255 hp (190 kW) in 1993 and finally 276 hp (208 kW) by the time production ended in Japan in 2002.

Australia had a special high performance version of the RX-7 in 1995, dubbed the RX-7 SP. This model was developed as a homologated road-going version of the factory race cars used in the 12hr endurance races held at Bathurst, New South Wales, beginning in 1991 for the 1995 event held at Eastern Creek, Sydney, New South Wales.

An initial run of 25 were made, and later an extra 10 were built by Mazda due to demand. The RX-7 SP produced 204 kW (274 hp) and 357 N·m (263 ft·lbf) of torque, compared to 176 kW (236 hp) and 294 N·m (217 ft·lbf) on the standard version. Other changes included a race developed carbon fibre nose cone and rear spoiler, a carbon fibre 120 L fuel tank (as opposed to the 76 L tank in the standard car), a 4.3:1-ratio rear differential, 17 in diameter wheels, larger brake rotors and calipers. An improved intercooler, exhaust, and modified ECU were also included.

Weight was reduced significantly with the aid of further carbon fibre usage including lightweight vented bonnet and Recaro seats to reduce weight to just 1218 kg (from 1310 kg). It was a serious road going race car that matched their rival Porsche 911 RS CS for the final year Mazda officially entered. The formula paid off when the RX-7 SP won the title, giving Mazda the winning 12hr trophy for a fourth straight year. A later special version, the Bathurst R, was released in 2001.

Hope that helps. ;)
 
Thanks for the information.

It does establish that the RS is the top of the line, and that the RZ is the same as the RS, except lighter. But where does the Type R fit into the line up? Or if the Type R-S is the same as the RS (I would assume that it is)
 
The Type R's (Bathurst & Spirit) are limited editions at the end of the Series 8's life cycle. Both versions were better specced than even the RS. The Spirit R was limited to 1500 (500 each of Type A's, Type B's & Type C's) and are all chock a block with titanium stuff and the Bathurst R was limited to 500 units only and was full of carbon fibre parts.

I'm still a fan of the RX7 SP myself. Back when it was released in 1995, there wasn't a car under $200k that could touch it and all for $80k. There was also an SP II (SP2) version bound for the following 12hr, but the race was killed off after the 1995 event, and so production of that was only limited to 3 or 4 units but were even more powerful than the SP and the quickest RX7 out. 225Kw and a similar 1200kg weight ensured that. 2 are still on the road here in Sydney, with the others at Mazda as display pieces. I still have the magazine article here with the original SPII. :D
 
The very first Type R however RJ, was a Series 6 and was only a different spec trim. From fdowners.com:

Type S = Base
Type X = Luxury - Leather/Sunroof/Auto
Type R = Racing
 
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