Maybe we should give Sony/SCEA/PD a little break

[n3eo]

Sure lots of people are pissed about Rd.2. I had just clawed my way into the top 16 when it ended. But I think some people are being a little hard on Sony/SCEA/PD calling for firings and whatnot.

It's not so surprising, when you have so many different parties coming together to put the competition on, that there could be big problems.

As best I can work out (Please correct me if anyone knows better):
- Sony is the overall company/brand and they manufacture hardware.
- SCEA distributes hardware and software in the USA and maybe Canada.
- Polyphony Digital is the producer of the game.
- Nissan is ultimately paying for the entire project, or at least the expensive parts like Orlando/Silverstone/the actual race.

Sony has nothing to do with the contest, it just runs on a piece of hardware you bought from them. (and hopefully a 3D TV from them while listening to a Sony Walkman and reading an ebook with the Sony Reader). If your PS3 turned they've pretty much fulfilled their responsibility.

SCEA, the distributor, has nothing to do with the actual game play. They are just providing an online contest. To them it's the same thing as a Madden Contest or a Modern Warfare contest - it's just some servers/bandwidth to run a production companies software and then the logistics of giving prizes. It's perfectly reseasonable to suspect that the manager at SCEA doesn't know a whole lot about GT5. While they certainly have played it they probably aren't A-spec Lv40 with a massive knowledge of every little trick on every track in the game, it's just one of a number of products that they work on.

So, they really have no reason to suspect that the software allows for a loophole and there is no way for them to just fix the problem cause software isn't there thing, it's PDs - and they're working on a fix.

Yes, PD did a global contest before with a significantly different piece of software. Any number of things has changed from the GT5 contests (well beyond gameplay and physics and things the user sees).

In conclusion: It's the first Full GT5 contest for PD and SCEA. Maybe we should give them a bit of a break even though it is a big screw up and a massive disappointment that cheaters will get to move on to the next round.

As for me: I'm going to watch the Continential Tire Challenge Daytona race on SPEED. It's a pretty comparable series to the FIA GT4 Series that Ordonez ran but stateside. And later I'll watch the Steelers make the Packers pay for knocking out the Bears (who should have won it all).

 

[freight48]

If Sony and PD were high school kids and so were all of us, they might be going to a psychiatrist.

 

[LRyder2k6]

If you really want to point fingers the blame should be placed primarily on PD. They had ample time to prepare for this round but for some reason they didn't foresee all the cheating, or maybe they just didn't realize the backlash it would cause. They should have known that in these kind of competitions people will do absolutely whatever the game allows them to to win. Hopefully in the next round they will make it so any 4WR violation invalidates your lap as well as ANY contact with a barrier.

 

[Forcednduckshn]

If you really want to point fingers the blame should be placed primarily on PD. They had ample time to prepare for this round but for some reason they didn't foresee all the cheating, or maybe they just didn't realize the backlash it would cause. They should have known that in these kind of competitions people will do absolutely whatever the game allows them to to win. Hopefully in the next round they will make it so any 4WR violation invalidates your lap as well as ANY contact with a barrier.

Maybe you should just do the right thing, and NOT cheat BY CHOICE instead of someone being forced to PREVENT you from doing it.

 

[Blitz24]

If you really want to point fingers the blame should be placed primarily on PD. They had ample time to prepare for this round but for some reason they didn't foresee all the cheating, or maybe they just didn't realize the backlash it would cause. They should have known that in these kind of competitions people will do absolutely whatever the game allows them to to win. Hopefully in the next round they will make it so any 4WR violation invalidates your lap as well as ANY contact with a barrier.

Wait, explain to me why PD should assume people will follow the rules? I think its a sound logic that they should follow the rules and maybe they should set a liability claim along with it, along the lines of if you wreck the car, you have to pay for it.

 

[Drift260Z]

Maybe you should just do the right thing, and NOT cheat BY CHOICE instead of someone being forced to PREVENT you from doing it.

you say this like everyone's definition of cheating is the same thing...cheating pretty much is doing what ISN'T allowed by the rules. the rules didn't say anything about the way people were driving this round. so, cut this whole "my definition of cheating is the universal definition" bullcrap, ok? get off your freaking high horse. (referring to a generic "you" addressing all the people that think like this)

 

[redcouch1212]

I've always been against the ranting of these forums, ever since round 2 started I've watched this forum go from one of the most civilized forums on the internet(to my knowledge) to complete chaos and a downright bitch fest. You guys seem to forget just who is providing you with the opportunity to drive in a real race car for a professional team in the first place, and allegedly there are people here who are asking for people to be fired? Very over the top, we show our true colors as an interent forum when we dont get our way. I find it ammusing though.

And drifter260z put it pertty well. Real life, isnt GT5. GT5, isnt real life. GT5 is a game. Cheating, in a game, entails a forum of hacking or retooling of the coding that wasnt in the original form of the copy of the game. Cheating, in real life, would be course cutting and wall bouncing(however wall bouncing should never help). Real life, GT5, real life, GT5.

 

[GT Motion]

And drifter260z put it pertty well. Real life, isnt GT5. GT5, isnt real life. GT5 is a game. Cheating, in a game, entails a forum of hacking or retooling of the coding that wasnt in the original form of the copy of the game. Cheating, in real life, would be course cutting and wall bouncing(however wall bouncing should never help). Real life, GT5, real life, GT5.

Cheating in a video game is not limited to just tampering with the software, it can also be when someone cheats and breaks the rules of the sport that the video game is simulating.

 

[redcouch1212]

Cheating in a video game is not limited to just tampering with the software, it can also be when someone cheats and breaks the rules of the sport that the video game is simulating.

No dude, sorry. You're thinking real life.

 

[Wardez]

Round 2 has been so rough. It's been a long week and even though I got my best rank ever yesterday I'm not too bummed about this.

Considering that some people in the top ranks got there by accidentally hitting the wall in Madrid is just not acceptable and felt so wrong.

I just hope they clear up their revised rules and such soon because if they keep us in the dark about all this again the whole contest is just gonna have an exponentially worst image than it already does.

I feel like we're all competing in a pageant with no one sitting in the judges chairs and them coming over once we scream enough only to throw the off switch.

 

[redcouch1212]

They dont need to fix any rules, just the penalty system, in which case they are doing.

 

[Wardez]

They dont need to fix any rules, just the penalty system, in which case they are doing.

I'm saying if they do change anything, it needs to be brought up front. And a changelog so we know exactly what they've changed with the penalty system.

 

[RSnider]

Maybe you should just do the right thing, and NOT cheat BY CHOICE instead of someone being forced to PREVENT you from doing it.

Keep in mind we're dealing with human beings here.

 

[GT Motion]

No dude, sorry. You're thinking real life.

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Myself and several others consider in game actions as cheating if you break the rules of the sport or activity that the game is simulating. You look at cheating as being just when someone hacks, to me that's not the case, and I am not wrong, neither are you, its just we share different opinions on what cheating really is.

 

[speedracer_-44]

It only turns into a flame fest around here when the fanboys show up to defend PD, no matter how culpable they are. They just can't roll their eyes at people's complaint posts and then move on, they have to start a fight as if someone has made fun of their mother in a public place. I'm thankful I'm able to read a terrible post, say to myself "that guy is an idiot" and then move on with no sleep lost. Ignoring these people instead of starting a war is the fast and most effective way of shutting them up imo.

 

[redcouch1212]

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Myself and several others consider in game actions as cheating if you break the rules of the sport or activity that the game is simulating. You look at cheating as being just when someone hacks, to me that's not the case, and I am not wrong, neither are you, its just we share different opinions on what cheating really is.

Its not particularly my opinion however, wereas its if you want to get technical your opinion of cheating is actually exploiting. Wall bouncing Madrid is just exploiting the tracks bad penalty system. So you cant call the wall bouncers cheaters, cause they are not cheating, they are just taking advantage of a poor penalty system. You call it cheating because you just simply dont think its fair, because you want to cross fantasize GT5 for being real life. But its just a game, and any game I've ever played the best players exploit everything to their advantage weather I think its fair or not. So tomato tamato, in the end, you shouldnt shame these people for using every exploit at their disposal.

 

[GT Motion]

..you shouldnt shame these people for using every exploit at their disposal.

Thats where your wrong.

 

[PoTtHeD]

I AM thankfull that they did something about the cheating, but they did not go about it the best way IMHO

 

[jaysvw]

Sure lots of people are pissed about Rd.2. I had just clawed my way into the top 16 when it ended. But I think some people are being a little hard on Sony/SCEA/PD calling for firings and whatnot.

I don't understand why anyone thinks they have the right to be pissed. Almost everyone, including GTP members cheated on Cape Ring in order to make it. Now they want to get butthurt because PD is calling them on it? Or that the whole thing got out of control?

Sorry, but immature and "win at all costs" gt5 PLAYERS ruined GT Academy, not PD.

 

[manhorsedog]

you guys throw the word "cheating" around a lot, although i did not agree it was well within the rules.

Now I know real life is different but this is a game and the rules where not clear, the only people to blame are the people running this competition.

 

[redcouch1212]

you guys throw the word "cheating" around a lot, although i did not agree it was well within the rules.

Now i know real life is different but this is a game and the rules where not clear, the only people to blame are the people running this competition.

+1

 

[Jason_B]

If Sony and PD were high school kids and so were all of us, they might be going to a psychiatrist.

By today's standards, if it was by the standards I was raised I would've been taken out back, told to pick a branch of the tree, and then be beaten savagely with it.



I'm going with: PD is recoding tracks for the update now. Everything seemed to stop when the Indy debacle started. We're all races on this level. Our job is to out smart everyone. I think they did the best thing for the given circumstances with what they had to work with.

 

[Dr_Watson]

If week 2 was an ethics and sportsmanship test it seems half the field failed.

 

[rmk700]

the only people to blame are the people running this competition.

Do you mean the organizers of GT Acadamy? There wouldn't be a problem at all if PD would of had the penalty system done correct.

We really can't point fingers because we don't have all the info on everything that takes place for these events.

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

It's PD's fault alone. First, noone has really cheated. If the penalty system PD put in place allows you to do something, and there are no rules against doing so, as much as it may be bad sportsmanship and may anger most, it's not cheating. Second, if you're going to hold such a competition, it is your responsibility as the host of the competition to do all you can to ensure it's fairness. PD most certainly did not do that. All it would take to end all of the sillyness is a effectively harsh penalty system, such as the one in the license tests, to be put in place. They chose not to use that penalty system. It's PD's fault, the blame has no other place to be put.

 

[Sphinx]

Maybe Sony finally decided to follow the standard GT OLR rules that have been followed in all mayor GT communities for the last ten years.

Good move I say. If only it were true through.

This academy series has done a lot of damage to the integrity of GT OLR, and the shameful display of driving has been embarrassing to say the least. Drive like that anywhere else and you wouldn't be given the time of day.

 

[Z1NONLY]

First, noone has really cheated. If the penalty system PD put in place allows you to do something, and there are no rules against doing so, as much as it may be bad sportsmanship and may anger most, it's not cheating.

I'm not a "gamer" but I got into the Academy after my teenager handed down his "old" PS3 to me and my wife gave me the GT 5 game and wheel. (All this Christmas.)

One of the guys I have been racing with for years brought it to my attention the first week of January and the same teenager that gave me the PS3 registered me. (Yes, I'm that PS3 illiterate)

Anyway, I had this conversation with my wife the first time I watched the top Cape Ring run (in round 1) and complained to her about the 4-weels-off excursion and the infamous "pit maneuver" used.

I said "There's no way you could do that stuff in real life and get away with it."

Her reply was something along the lines of "The game says what's legal and what's not. You're trying to race for real, and he's doing what works...and beating you. Stop whining and start driving."

Every since that conversation, I have been focused on driving instead of whining.

I find it odd that some people chose to call what these drivers are doing "cheating."

I'm kind of old, but I always thought cheating required some degree of secrecy. Everyone knows that the top ten times are posted for all the world to see and mimic.

Also, cheating normally implies and requires an advantage unavailable to other competitors. (like changing the code on your copy of the game while leaving everyone else to compete with unaltered versions. Or inviting The Stig to put some runs down for you.)

The game decides what goes and what doesn't. Some people found out that some pretty ugly stuff is within the rules of the game and promptly started using against those of us that had no idea.

I thought the great "equalizer" was the easy-access download for all top ten runs.

Sure, you can run your car off the track, through the grass, into the pit exit and back onto the track for a faster time, but so can everyone else. And if they drive better than you, they will get there first and execute your "cute" little trick before you....and beat you.

What about other things the game doesn't simulate well?

Take fear for instance. I don't know everyone in this event, but I bet there are some number among us who wouldn't attack the "flick" on the Rome course simply because of good old fashioned fear.

Simply put, many can't do that in real life. Are people cheating by simulating courage/insanity they don't have in real life.

Are those use the E-Brake to kick the back out cheating because you can't pull an E-Brake that doesn't exist..... in the real race car?

I hope they fix the software so that things that don't work in real life also don't work in the game.

At this stage in the game I would rather take my chances with imperfect, but consistent, software than well meaning, but inconsistent, humans.

 

[scca_ziptie]

Maybe Sony finally decided to follow the standard GT OLR rules that have been followed in all mayor GT communities for the last ten years.

Good move I say. If only it were true through.

This academy series has done a lot of damage to the integrity of GT OLR, and the shameful display of driving has been embarrassing to say the least. Drive like that anywhere else and you wouldn't be given the time of day.

👍 +1

 

[The Cheef]

If week 2 was an ethics and sportsmanship test it seems half the field failed.

No kidding.

 

[cpp214]

Maybe Sony finally decided to follow the standard GT OLR rules that have been followed in all mayor GT communities for the last ten years.

Good move I say. If only it were true through.

This academy series has done a lot of damage to the integrity of GT OLR, and the shameful display of driving has been embarrassing to say the least. Drive like that anywhere else and you wouldn't be given the time of day.

+1 👍