Mazda agrees to buy-back all RX-8's.

[risingson77]

The last-generation twin-turbo rotary used in the FD3S RX-7.

 

[Venom77]

13brew i will remember that one

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by Venom77
Not to clued up on a 13brew what the hell is that

More correctly, it's the 13B REW - but BREW is much sexier, don't you think?

It's the twin turbo rotary motor's designation.

Thats very sad man it would have been the bee's knees man

Yup - killed a few good motors - the Nissan GT-R's in-line six and the 2 litre turbo from the 200SX to name a few.

There were others, but I'm much too tired to list them now. Plus I don't know what they are - but being tired is much more of a factor, trust me...

 

[Venom77]

Cool man thanks for clueing me up 13b rew very sexy yes

 

[risingson77]

Originally posted by vat_man
More correctly, it's the 13B REW - but BREW is much sexier, don't you think?

Don't go turning into MazKid Jr. on me, vat.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man

There were others, but I'm much too tired to list them now. Plus I don't know what they are

So you're not only too tired, you're too stupid?

 

[MazKid]

First off, the RX-8 is a totally different car than the RX-7. Furthermore, the RX-8 is meant as an easy to drive 4 seater sports car. Putting in the twin turbo 13B would have just jacked up the price, been cut down on more strict emissions, and get poor milage.

Actually, what should have and could have been done would be to take the Renesis, add another half of the engine(as it is now, the 2 rotor, you have the side housing, rotor housing and rotor, another side housing, another rotor housing and rotor, and the other side plate. By simply having 2 middle side plates, adding another rotor housing and rotor, and then another side housing, they could have had a 3 rotor Renesis, making approx. 325hp if done right, N/A too. But with that you would have the fuel milage issue.

And to think, Mazda had plans in '89 for the 10th anniversary RX-7 to have the Eunos Cosmo's 20b, only problem was the cost of retooling the factory...

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by MazKid
First off, the RX-8 is a totally different car than the RX-7. Furthermore, the RX-8 is meant as an easy to drive 4 seater sports car. Putting in the twin turbo 13B would have just jacked up the price, been cut down on more strict emissions, and get poor milage.

Actually, what should have and could have been done would be to take the Renesis, add another half of the engine(as it is now, the 2 rotor, you have the side housing, rotor housing and rotor, another side housing, another rotor housing and rotor, and the other side plate. By simply having 2 middle side plates, adding another rotor housing and rotor, and then another side housing, they could have had a 3 rotor Renesis, making approx. 325hp if done right, N/A too. But with that you would have the fuel milage issue.

And to think, Mazda had plans in '89 for the 10th anniversary RX-7 to have the Eunos Cosmo's 20b, only problem was the cost of retooling the factory...

Okay...
But with the reworking of the port locations on the Renesis engine, vs. the 13B, How hard would it be to rework the Cosmo's engine in the same fashion?
An environmentally friendly 3-rotor engine in an RX-8, or the soon to be announced RX-7 would be cool!
I know you're all a bit upset with the output of the new Renesis engine. But keep in mind the RX-8 isn't actually a replacement for the RX-7. It's supposed to be an "all new" sports coupe.
The RX-7 is to be re-introduced as a better car in the near future.

 

[f50]

the engine of the RX-7 is a 12B and the RX-8 a 13b or what ?
at least that what i heard.

 

[MazKid]

F50 you are so wrong. The first gen RX-7, non GSL-SE, was a 12A. All other RX-7s, the RX-8, the RX-5 Cosmo, and the Eunos Cosmo Type S (among others) are 13Bs.

Gil, what you said is basically what I said about the RX-8 being a fully different model from the RX-7 many people mistakenly think it replaces.

The Cosmo's 20B was a good engine. Theoretically, Mazda could make a 26B out of 2 13Bs(similar to the 4 rotor in the 787B), the Renesis 13Bs, and it would work fine. Even the 197hp RX-8 13B would be good if doubled. But with adding a rotor, you add the same amount of fuel needed. So you have a 13B that gets 22mpg, add another 2 rotors, you'd get around 11mpg(which isn't all that bad if it was a supercar of Ferrari and Lamborgini class).

Since rotaries are smaller than piston counter parts, it wouldn't be hard at all to increase the engine size in existing cars like the RX-8. If you get a chance to look under the hood of the RX-8, you'll be amased at all of the space around the engine(since it's sitting farther back for 50/50 wieght distribution. Also, rotary engines aren't that heavy(the 2 main parts, which I have in my room, weigh what I would estimate at about 30lbs together, then add the wieght of all of the other parts, and for 1 rotor it should only add like 75lbs.

Mazda first has to get back into the rotary zone. They were in the rotary zone in the 70's through the early '90s, when they had more than one model with a rotary engine. I think that if they come out with a new RX-7 while the RX-8 is also being produced, they can get back to the rotary fame of that time.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by M5Power
So you're not only too tired, you're too stupid?

I don't see you coughing them up there, young fella!

Tell me - do you equate stupidity with:
- a lack of knowledge, e.g. don't know the capital cities of countries, engines discontinued due to tightening of emission legislation, or;
- an inability to work out or find the solution to problems, such as maths or logic problems?

No subtext in that question, just something I've wondered. I think the first is quite different to the second. The second, to my mind, is genuine stupidity - e.g. who knew looking inside the fuel tank with a light match would have caused an explosion?

 

[risingson77]

Although you weren't asking me ~

I would say the former is ignorance, and the latter stupidity.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man
I don't see you coughing them up there, young fella!

Emissions took five horsepower off the iForce V8 in the Toyota Tundra in California - ha!

Tell me - do you equate stupidity with:
- a lack of knowledge, e.g. don't know the capital cities of countries, engines discontinued due to tightening of emission legislation, or;
- an inability to work out or find the solution to problems, such as maths or logic problems?

No subtext in that question, just something I've wondered. I think the first is quite different to the second. The second, to my mind, is genuine stupidity - e.g. who knew looking inside the fuel tank with a light match would have caused an explosion?

I think they're both forms of stupidity, though it depends how strict you get on the first one- I wouldn't call somebody who doesn't know which engines were discontinued due to emissions regulations stupid, unless that person is you. If there was somebody who didn't know something such as that Ford is a car maker, though, I'd call them 'stupid,' and loudly (probably I'd point at them and laugh, too).

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by M5Power
Emissions took five horsepower off the iForce V8 in the Toyota Tundra in California - ha!

That's more slightly grazed than killed.

Originally posted by M5Power
I think they're both forms of stupidity, though it depends how strict you get on the first one- I wouldn't call somebody who doesn't know which engines were discontinued due to emissions regulations stupid, unless that person is you.

Well, thanks for the clarification. I have to go and steal things now.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man
That's more slightly grazed than killed.

How about all the old, noisy, popular Mercedes turbodiesel engines killed by strict California emissions laws? You can still see those cars around from time to time - I love their idle sound, even if the rest of the world hates it.

Well, thanks for the clarification. I have to go and steal things now.

Sounds like a plan! 👍

 

[Cobraboy]

Originally posted by MazKid
F50 you are so wrong.

Jesus, what the **** is wrong with a guy who doesn't speak english very well getting something like that wrong? We aren't all Mazda orientated and it's the end of the world if we don't?

Bloody hell.

 

[risingson77]

This is just a guess ~

MazKid has a massive inferiority complex for which he overcompensates by lording his obsessive knowledge of a given automotive make over anyone he can at any time he can.

Am I close?

 

[Cobraboy]

Bang on. 👍

 

[MazKid]

You took it out of context, and yea on occasion I get over my head on things. Sorry if I offended anyone by saying "so".

 

[sn00pie]

Originally posted by MazKid
"so"

Shut up, ***hole. I hate you.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Mazda first has to get back into the rotary zone. They were in the rotary zone in the 70's through the early '90s, when they had more than one model with a rotary engine.

Couldn't agree more.

Shut up, ***hole. I hate you.

Nice. Very nice. At least we now know what kind of person you are..... I'll remember that.

 

[risingson77]

Link.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Real funny, smart a**.

 

[risingson77]

*tsk* Such hostility.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Why don't you say that to your pal, snOOpie?

 

[risingson77]

Because he'll hit me if I do.

 

[FC3SDrifter]

i am feeling alot of tension here..dont know why . personally i loved the 2nd an 3rd gen RX-7's. i personally own an 88' non-turbo an i love it. it would be great for the RX-7 to be reborn, but i think they would have to do a bit more work on the 13b's tendency to blow at higher levels of boost for that to come true. and as stated earlier, Japan's emissions code made that alot harder now.

 

[risingson77]

Originally posted by FC3SDrifter
i am feeling alot of tension here..dont know why .

We play rough, that's all.