Microchip implantation will not be optional....

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There's no way they can make it non-optional within a generation. The outcry would be enormous. Maybe they can once all the people alive have grown up with the assumption that everyone is chipped at birth and it's just a thing. But I don't see any way they could possibly make it convenient for enough people of this day and age to say "yeah, stick your tracking chip in me".
 
Actually, it is very much possible. Apple isn't called Apple for nothing you know. The whole concept of making access to your money difficult is for this very reason.
 
What is the benefit of this over finger-prints or a tap and go MasterCard or NFC on your phone, well except that when people want to steal your info they need to cut you open, or run a scanner over your dead body and clone you.
Or maybe they just steal all your identity with skimmers placed on public handrails/ door handles...

It does nothing but make us feel like subjects even when in our own homes.

As for tracking and security... too bad when "criminalz" who don't want to be tracked use some small EMP device or similar to permanently destroy it without even a surgeon.


We still have people going through the airports with only a printed paper passport - no connection/verification in international databases. This identity chip thing is 100 years away.
 
I think some of the possible benefits the "scientists" are thinking of is being able to run your finger through a scanner to pay for things, being able to be tracked if you've gone missing, being turned down for a job because the employer can scan your buttocks to find out you have a criminal record...that kind of thing.

The problem for me isn't so much that its an invasion of personal freedom, we're already being tracked in all kinds of ways through our cellphones, credit cards, computers, etc.
However a microchip that records everything we do would just be utopic for malicious governments and hackers.
 
Having an electronic device carried on us to give us an 'identity' is silly, it just get stolen or hacked or swapped or something. It is no different to just putting a MasterCard under the skin of our hand...nothing new.

We already have pieces in our bodies that are unique, like finger prints/retina/iris/DNA.

What's wrong with just scanning DNA by touching a device which takes some skin or hair cells etc, or looking into a scanner, then matches our DNA/Retina to an identity stored on an Internet database..

The benefits they claim (no more wallet) can be had without turning us into an "item" with an artificial implanted chip like a dog.

Any average surgeon(or not) could easily swap a chip to another human, so really, artificially implanted identity is not the way.
A chip is not identity of an individual, a chip is a number with no attachment to our body. DNA IS our body, DNA IS our identity.
 
The only time this should be non optional is if the device could monitor health.
Then it should be used on the elderly so we can know when they may be having a health issue.
 
Slash
http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/04/40022-scientists-say-microchipping-wont-be-optional/


I will die before I get one of those damn things stuck in me.
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This isn't going to happen. There are lots of ways to identify each human without using something as old fashioned as a portable microchip. The technology to read those is nearly available (EMF analysis, biometric facial movement recognition etc).

The story above looks like a bit of "right wing hates science" scaremongering if I'm honest.

In other news the microchips from my dustbins used to go missing an awful lot. One week they'd be there then the next week it would be as if they'd actually been IN the rubbish the week before rather than attached to the bin. How awful, and there was no way to prove it was me who removed it. Which I didn't.
 
Of course, a website called "mrconservative.com" is going to present news in a neutral manner that will inform its readers well. :rolleyes:

Personally I would oppose mandatory implantation of microchips, but this site is down there with the Alex Joneses of the world.
 
It's starting to happen where I live, voluntary to a degree but it's mostly for the elderly, alzheimer's, and such so I'm not so sure about the voluntary part. Probably a good idea if you care for your family member in need.

F1GTR
The comments at the bottom are hilarious.
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This goes both ways. You try to mark me I mark you back with a .45 microchip in your ass.

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TenEightyOne
This isn't going to happen. There are lots of ways to identify each human without using something as old fashioned as a portable microchip. The technology to read those is nearly available (EMF analysis, biometric facial movement recognition etc).

The story above looks like a bit of "right wing hates science" scaremongering if I'm honest.

In other news the microchips from my dustbins used to go missing an awful lot. One week they'd be there then the next week it would be as if they'd actually been IN the rubbish the week before rather than attached to the bin. How awful, and there was no way to prove it was me who removed it. Which I didn't.
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It will happen. I have a 2000 year old document that says otherwise. If Big Brother is going to push one for health reasons, they can just as easily retool it to block your access to your money unless you get one. It is a perfect cashless society.
 
TenEightyOne
The story above looks like a bit of "right wing hates science" scaremongering if I'm honest.
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This. Every few months, your typical conspiracy and anti-everything nuts circulate some nonsense about required microchiping coming to some government, more recently the EU. Generally built on some out of context quote from a slightly off balance researcher or socialist, then blown out to sound like real legislation.
 
The book of revelations has started. Im prepared to stand and fight for my beliefs if god wanted to put a microchip in me he would have when i was born.
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So anything that happens to your body after you're born is against god's will? So many wasted foreskins...

Anyway, I needed a laugh. The presentation of that story provided it.
 
Grayfox
The only time this should be non optional is if the device could monitor health.
Then it should be used on the elderly so we can know when they may be having a health issue.
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No. It's their body, they should have a choice to decide not to have foreign objects put in it. These are people, not pets.
 
Sanji Himura
It will happen. I have a 2000 year old document that says otherwise. If Big Brother is going to push one for health reasons, they can just as easily retool it to block your access to your money unless you get one. It is a perfect cashless society.
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Except that a cashless society is about as likely to happen as one where microchip implantation is mandatory.

Even in a world where using plastic is far more convenient than cash most of the time, there's still far too many uses for real cash money for it to be removed without an ENORMOUS outcry. A cashless society will not come into being any time soon, and as such neither will forcing microchips because there's no other way to access your money.
 
I like the connection they draw to cellphones. Which aren't mandatory for life, which can be turned off, completely, and which you can still get without cameras. My current phone is a $12 Samsung with no mobile data, no Bluetooth, no camera. The smartphone stays at home with the wife.

Oh... look what you can get on T-Mobile: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-T199ZKATMB With data connectivity, but no "privacy-invading" camera.
 
Great topic. I was just discussing this topic a few weeks ago after hearing about ANOTHER kidnapping story. I also feel this will eventually happen and think it would be wonderful for locating missing children, kidnapped loved ones, terrorists (Osama bin laden) or escaped prisoners. There are negative and positive advantages of course. The major flaw is that it could be cut out of the body. (We have seen this many times in movies). However I am sure it could be coded that if this happens it instantly sends a warning indicating it has been removed from the body.

I truly do think this will start happening. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually. In many ways it is already happening. My mom has an electronic defibrillator surgically installed next to her heart that monitors and relays everything she is doing. (She had a heart attack many years ago because of a medical malpractice.) The internal defibrillator is just one example.
 
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CAMAROBOY69
I truly do think this will start happening. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually.
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The "not in our lifetime" thing is my own hope. Though I could certainly see some people opting-in, in our lifetime - not for surveillance as such, but perhaps as part of further generations of tech like Google Glass.

The concept of "cutting out" the microchips is an interesting one for me - mainly because I think sci-fi is actually a little behind the reality there. If quantum computing goes commercial over the next handful of decades, these microchips could realistically be too small to realistically cut out.

I was watching the remake of Total Recall the other week, where he has the telephone embedded in his hand. That too seems behind-the-times. I've read stories recently where current tech is advanced enough that you wouldn't need an embedded device - you could wear a wrist-band with sensors sensitive enough to know when you're touching a particular finger or area of your hand. You could literally type a number on bare skin and the device on your wrist would pick it up. Of course, the main aim of that one is for music-related devices (tap the centre of your palm to play and pause, squeeze your thumb to skip tracks, that sort of crazy stuff).
 
homeforsummer
I was watching the remake of Total Recall the other week,
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You should see the sequel where the poor guy receives a fax.

By the time chip reading is sensitive enough for a portable microchip to be of more use then bio-metrics then EMF reading itself will be able to detect individual nervous signatures. I think this technology will be in place as we approach the singularity but I doubt it will be in the form of anything as archaic as the thing we think of as microchip.
 

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