Mid-Field Raceway Lap Times For 716 Cars!

SuzukaStar, we all have been watching and enjoying your Super Lap Uber Testing Series (SLUTS)... :lol: :D :eek: Seriously, we see which cars are the fastest on the three tracks you've ran thus far, but which cars do you enjoy driving the most? Maybe when you finish with a particular track you could list your: Overall favorite car to drive on THAT track -- Which car is easiest to drive consistently -- Which car is most difficult to keep under control... or whatever categories you think are interesting. Keep up the good work! 👍
 
I'm a slut for SLUTS :lol: what a great acronym :cheers:

A list of likes and dislikes is a great idea actually. I think I'll make a list like you suggested, to celebrate testing car #200.

Only 5 cars to go. I'll also go through and put the PP for each car on the main page like I should have done from the start...

Just tested the Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR '74 by the way, and it's a 1:35 car for sure, tied with the Golf GTI '76.

And the Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22) '70 is a 1:36 car.
 
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Thanks for testing the Solstice. Almost as fast as the RX8 '07 and the S2000 '03, that's a surprise.

As much as I value the opinion of @SuzukaStar when it comes to testing these cars, I actually am more interested in which cars are faster/slower at their PD-given performance point value. You have no idea how many hours of testing you've saved me, haha.
 
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Thanks for testing the Solstice. Almost as fast as the RX8 '07 and the S2000 '03, that's a surprise.

As much as I value the opinion of @SuzukaStar when it comes to testing these cars, I actually am more interested in which cars are faster/slower at their PD-given performance point value. You have no idea how many hours of testing you've saved me, haha.
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Yes. SuzukaStar provides an outstanding service for the GTP community. I can't tell you how many times I've referred to his lists. You know what would be pretty cool? Creating a spreadsheet that contains all the cars with their respective times on each course he runs... So that way you can look up a car and see how it stacks up (sort) by track. The McLaren MP4-12C is the fastest car on Mid-Field (thus far) but it is 8th fastest on Suzuka.
 
I would suggest only using the Mid-Field times, because I feel like I put my best into each car here, unlike Laguna Seca and especially Suzuka. Those tracks are a bit long and harder to perfect with each car. Mid-Field is short and sweet.

Plus, after testing SH at Suzuka, CH at Laguna, and CS at Mid-Field, I'm liking CS the best.

The MP4-12C is only fastest at Mid-Field because I haven't tried some of the faster cars like the Zonda R, McLaren F1, Ferrari FXX, etc. and I don't know if I will because they are tough to control :nervous:

Lotus Europa S.2 '68 is a 1:35.8 on my 4th lap. Another car bites the dust :sly:
Lotus Europa Special '72 is a 1:28.9 or 7 seconds quicker than the S.2!
 
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He also used a different tire grade at each track, sports hard at Suzuka, comfort hard at Laguna and comfort soft at Mid-field, which is another variable along with the track itself.
 
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Creating a spreadsheet that contains all the cars with their respective times on each course he runs...
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Guess what i have been cooking lately... :D @SuzukaStar's times on all tracks have been used for most of the new Makeshift Shuffle car lists! 👍 I have a google docs spreadsheet that extracts the TT times for a list of cars. I also try to add a query sheet where you can extract all cars in a TT-time range, filtered on year or other criteria. I wanted to polish it further, but i can send you a link so you can have a look and copy a work in progress. PM me if you like! :cheers:
 
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I would suggest only using the Mid-Field times, because I feel like I put my best into each car here, unlike Laguna Seca and especially Suzuka. Those tracks are a bit long and harder to perfect with each car. Mid-Field is short and sweet.

Plus, after testing SH at Suzuka, CH at Laguna, and CS at Mid-Field, I'm liking CS the best.

The MP4-12C is only fastest at Mid-Field because I haven't tried some of the faster cars like the Zonda R, McLaren F1, Ferrari FXX, etc. and I don't know if I will because they are tough to control :nervous:

Lotus Europa S.2 '68 is a 1:35.8 on my 4th lap. Another car bites the dust :sly:
Lotus Europa Special '72 is a 1:28.9 or 7 seconds quicker than the S.2!
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Let FXX or Tuscan Speed 12 out of it for your own sake. Totally mad car to be tamed using DS3 and CS tires. On the other hand, McLaren F1 is great as is Zonda S 7.3 too. Zonda R is a bit like FXX but not soooooooo crazy imo. They just are made for longer circuits and faster corners. You can try Mazda Furai just for fun though as it is a big cart without unpredictable behaviour or crazy speed.
 
I was so excited to be close to 200 cars that I had to do the last 3 tonight.

Eagle Talon Esi '97
Chrysler Crossfire '04
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '95

So here we are, at the 200 car milestone. I wonder if I have it in me to do 200 more :lol: Of course I do, because I'm :crazy:

When you test this many cars, it can be hard to remember which ones you enjoyed/hated the most, but I will go through some replays this weekend and try to pick 3 or 5 cars that I highly recommend driving stock at Mid-Field, and 3 or 5 that drove me bonkers :boggled:

Thanks you guys for supporting me in this. It really helps me want to continue doing this project :cheers:
 
Congratulations on your milestone SuzukaStar!

I believe you can go on for at least 100 cars more in Midfield for 3 reasons:

1) Your character. Persistent as few.
2) Midfield is a great track for TT comparisons because of the short laptime and the easy to find way of getting the best of whichever car you drive fast there. Resembles the Barcelona GP circuit which shows the best car easily as it is not too tough to go on the limit.
3) You chose the best tires to do it as in a track and for all cars the best tire is the softest groovy one as it works for 99% of cars in GT6 at least. I wrote you above which ones to not bother at all testing there at least on this tire selection.

So, go on and I suggest we all here propose you next banch of cars to test.

I will propose you the Evos and Stis which you haven't tested there yet.
 
Edited first post with PP for every car!

Will test the Evos and STis tomorrow or Monday.

Fastest car between PP 300-350 is the Peugeot 106 Rallye '03
Fastest car between PP 350-400 is the Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe '99
Fastest car between PP 400-450 is the Lotus Elise 111R '04
Fastest car between PP 450-500 is the RUF RGT '00
Fastest car between PP 500-550 is the Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
Fastest car between PP 550-600 is the McLaren MP4-12C '10

Slowest car between PP 300-350 is the Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Avanzato R '97
Slowest car between PP 350-400 is the Daihatsu Storia X4 '00
Slowest car between PP 400-450 is the Ford Taurus SHO '98
Slowest car between PP 450-500 is the Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98
Slowest car between PP 500-550 is the Cadillac CTS-V Coupe '11
Slowest car between PP 550-600 is the Ford Shelby GT500 '13

Some of those will no doubt change as I continue this project...

Again, it's hard to say which cars are my favorite, but if I had to recommend one for now, it's the...

Audi R8 4.2 FSI R Tronic '07

I'm one of the few people who prefer the V8 over the V10, but it really does work better on this track.
 
A very good point was raised. If you decide to continue on to another track (We all hope you do) when you finish with Mid-Field, I suggest you just stick with CS tires from now on. They're probably the best balance of tire for the higher powered cars and the lower powered cars. That's just my opinion, of course.
 
can you do the:
CL600 '00
Mazda 2 '03
F430 Scuderia '07
SRT-10 Viper ACR '08 (you might have done these I didn't read the entire list)
Alpine A310 '73
Evo 9 '05
WRX STi N246 Challenge '12
(there is a really good tune for the Z06 if you want to use it)
Accord Type-R '02
2CV '54

some race cars: (on RM tyres, might up your spirits to do something different)
HSV-010 '12
Furai '08
SLS AMG GT3 '11
GT-R GT3 '13
Yellowhat Supra '05
GT300 BRZ '12
GT300 ARTA Garaiya '08
Wedsport Celica '03
CRZ Race Car
Formula Gran Turismo
X2014 Junior '14
Evo 9 Race Car '05
WRX STi Race Car '10
XJ13 '67
330 P4 '67
2J '70
 
I'll get around to the first batch, but those racecars aren't going to happen. I'm only using Comfort Soft tires. But I appreciate the idea.

Added:

Subaru S206 NBR Challenge Package '12
Toyota 2000GT '67
Shelby Series One Supercharged '03
Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01
 
Tested the Nissan Silvia 240RS (S110) '83

It took me countless restarts to get a perfect lap. This car doesn't know if it wants to oversteer or understeer. You get a mixture of both around every corner! Keeps you on your toes, that's for sure.

It ties a bunch of cars with a 1:24.9
 
You're pretty good at predicting things, because my first lap was a 1:28.8 :odd:

But after figuring out that the car is fastest when shifted at or just before the redline, I ended up a whole second faster, with a 1:27.8 :sly:

And the highest-PP Mitsubishi Evo (VIII RS) is less than a tenth slower than the highest-PP Subaru WRX STi.
 
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SuzukaStar
You're pretty good at predicting things, because my first lap was a 1:28.8 :odd:

But after figuring out that the car is fastest when shifted at or just before the redline, I ended up a whole second faster, with a 1:27.8 :sly:
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If the 5.7L TPI engine is modeled correctly, the torque should fall flat on its face around 4500rpm. It's interesting that the IROC-Z concept is a second faster than the GNX, when in reality the Buick's turbo V6 crushes the Camaro in a straight line. I assumed the Camaro would run 1:28.8 because that is what the GNX ran but I guess the Camaro just handles better than the Buick's motor can make up for.

In your Suzuka test (on sports hard), the Buick GNX ran a 2:31.8 to the IROC's 2:30.7 so even on a longer track the 1 second difference remains. The Buick is rather tall and has a very high center of gravity which makes it terrible through corners. In a drag race, the Buick should win easily though.
 
The IROC reached a max speed of 125 mph to the GNX's 124. Minimum speed through the chicane was 99 mph to the GNX's 95.

The extra 132 kg (291 lbs) the GNX carries is what really hurts it.

GNX - 12.8 lbs/hp and 9.8 lbs/torque
IROC - 14.1 lbs/hp and 9.8 lbs/torque

Interesting.
 
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no
neither can a Sambabus or a Subaru 360
and the it took Schwimmwagen two minutes to make the top of the hill (I am using the largest track)

Car Year PP Power Weight Time GT Arena Time Drivetrain Aspiration
VW Schwimwagen 1942 206 24 910 4.45.696 38.061 4WD
VW Sambabus 1962 209 33 1,095 DNF 38.265 RR
Fiat 500 1972 221 17 595 DNF 39.083 RR
Fiat 500 1968 223 16 520 DNF 39.752 RR
VW Beetle 1949 226 24 720 4.02.847 RR
Subaru 360 1958 241 14 385 DNF 39.011 RR
VW Beetle 1966 248 33 780 3.34.010 RR
Honda Today 1985 272 30 550 3.29.591 FF
Ford Ka 2001 277 60 965 2.43.729 FF
Daihatsu Midget II 1997 279 33 570 3.17.536 FR
Daihatsu Copen 2002 306 62 830 2.35.559 FF T


Fastest Cars:
200 to 250: VW Beetle 1200 '66
250 to 300: Ford Ka '01
300 to 350: Daihatsu Copen Active Top '02

Interesting cars to come:
Volvo 240 GLX Estate '88 (most powerful car so far)
Nissan Micra '03 vs Mazda Demio/2 '03 (Micra is faster at GT arena but this track suits the bigger Mazda)
Peugeot 106 Rallye '03 (its the fastest to 350 around most tracks, can it do it here?)

Observations:
VW's have an ability to climb hills that Fiat's don't.
VW's have a LOT of torque for their size at 15 km/h in first gear.
The Today is has great acceleration.
The Beetle and Ka feel a lot bigger than they are and lose speed up hills the least.
Lotus Evora's and putting a toe on the grass don't go well together!!

Edit: Sifted the raw data and added some inferences. See, year 10 has taught me something.
 
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SuzukaStar
The IROC reached a max speed of 125 mph to the GNX's 124. Minimum speed through the chicane was 99 mph to the GNX's 95.

The extra 132 kg (291 lbs) the GNX carries is what really hurts it.

GNX - 12.8 lbs/hp and 9.8 lbs/torque
IROC - 14.1 lbs/hp and 9.8 lbs/torque

Interesting.
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The best marriage was the f-body Camaro/Firebird with the Buick's turbo 3.8L V6 = 1989 Indy 500 pace car - The 20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am:
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The best of both worlds. 250hp (underrated because of the Corvette) and 340ft/lb. with a curb weight of 3,350 lb. 1/4 mile around 13.4 stock.
 
I never knew the Trans Am could come with the GNX engine. That's awesome. Is it more common and less expensive? Maybe I'll pick one up lol
 
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I never knew the Trans Am could come with the GNX engine. That's awesome. Is it more common and less expensive? Maybe I'll pick one up lol
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Rare because they were only made in 1989 and I think they made about 1500. Easy enough to look up but busy at work currently. I looked it up, they made 1555 TTAs.

From the article you linked:
1987 Buick GNX (only 547 produced) - "What this meant was that in 1987, the only faster-accelerating car you could buy in North America was a Ferrari F40. The Countach couldn't keep up, ditto the 911 Turbo or the Testarossa. The GNX was badass on a whole new level."

As for the TTA - "Real output was well over 300bhp and closer to 400lb-ft of torque, confirmed at 301rwhp on a GM dyno." "With a curb weight of 3346 lbs, the TTA had a power/weight ratio of 13.4 lbs/bhp..." "The official factory claim for the TTA was 5.4 seconds to sixty and a top speed of 161; Car & Driver got the aforementioned 4.6 second figure. In 1989, it was flat-out the fastest accelerating production car you could buy in America, and the sleeper factor was EXTREMELY high. It just looked like a white Trans Am - easy pickin's, right?"

Awesome car.
 
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I only wish it came with a 5 speed manual :sly:

Tested:

Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II '91
BMW M3 GTR '03
Alpine A310 1600VE '73
Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package '12

The M3 GTR is 3 whole seconds faster than the base M3 '04 and 2 whole seconds quicker than the M3 '07.

Alpine A310 is 4 seconds slower than the A110.
 
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