Minolta tail dragging?

[jmillheiser]

OK just got the minolta. even with the stock suspension settings this car starts dragging its tail above 170mph and it really slows the car down. I have tried everything I can think of. I have messed with downforce, spring rates, ride height, camber/toe settings. Nothing seems to be able to make this dragging go away. Its very noticeable as you hear the screeching of the tires above 170mph and the TCS light goes off and the cars acceleration falls off dramatically.

On the outside view you can see the rear wing visibly shaking when the car starts dragging. I have tried turning off the TCS and it still does it.

I would like to be able to use this car as its handles much better than the other group Cs i have driven and is the only group C that I know of with a 6 speed.

I never had this problem with my XJR-9.

 

[Ezz777]

plenty of answers - first, i know you said you mess with the susp settings, but try raising the front by say 20 and the rear ride height by 40mm or so above the stock settings. this should smooth it out. the other thing you can try is lowering rear downforce - may go a tad oversteery - but will be smoother.

Also - there are plenty of other 6 speeders out there (can't remember them all) - more fun for you when you find them.

 

[jmillheiser]

yes there are other 6 speed cars. but the minolta is the only 6 speed group C car. the LMPs are all 6 speeds.

 

[icandriftbetter]

the ride height is all in your preference but the sprint rate should be at max always, and maybe the shock absorbers

 

[djaft3rb3ats]

the minolta is one of the fastest lmp cars, so its good that ur using it. try out his ride height settings and see where that takes u. i dont drive it aspec becuase the car pwns me =), but in bspec it pwns them. the juguar race car is good too, i used it to win my minolta. i think its one of those generic lmp cars, u get what im sayin? like the jaguar andthe puegeot 902 or w/e ots called plus others. the r8, speed8, 88c-v, c9 among others and to just name a few are the ones that everyone uses and are proven to be good. but maybe the generic underdog is just waiting to be tuned to kill the c9.




djaft3rb3ats

 

[jmillheiser]

I tried a bunch more settings. still doing it. I tried high downforce and low downforce. high ride height and low ride height. stiff springs and shocks and soft. NOTHING seems to get rid of this problem.

What I do know is the car is NOT staying in contact with the road when it does this. I took the fast turn on high speed ring at 220ish and it was hopping all over the place like it was coming off the ground. If this were a real car I would say that its got a spot that is generating lift which is basically fighting the downforce. Even with max downforce this problem persists.

I even tried copying the settings of my XJR-9 which is dead stable at high speed just not as fast as the minolta is even with this problem.

Has anyone else had this problem with the minolta?

I can drive the wheels off the minolta but never really liked the jag especially when you go with harder tires for longer races.

I kinda like the CLK-GTR but cant stand the SERIOUS lack of downforce on this car which makes it useless for high speed work.

Maybe I should just get myself an R8 or a Pescy. BTW can you win the pescy?

 

[Ram-Rod]

Yes, i also got my Minolta today ( July 12 2005 ) but i have not noticed this problem. However i happend to fell something wierd when i was racing in the 150 mile race at Super Speedway that felt almost the same to this. BTW congrats on winning your Minolta... Hey i didnt get a congrats when i got my Minolta. My dad thought i got a Minolta camra !!

 

[Ezz777]

I even tried copying the settings of my XJR-9 which is dead stable at high speed just not as fast as the minolta is even with this problem.

On a side note, i have been experimenting a fair bit with the sarthe II track and found that the XJR-9 in B-spec maintains the highest speed down the mulsanne with stock suspension settings (gears and turbo changed that wasn't related). This is an indication that B-spec bob can't maintain high speeds on cars that gets the jitters. Worth noting if you are planning on doing this enduro.

 

[Zardoz]

yes there are other 6 speed cars. but the minolta is the only 6 speed group C car. the LMPs are all 6 speeds.

The Peugeot 905, one of the last of the Group C cars, also has a six-speed.

 

[jmillheiser]

good to know. I think this problem is endemic to the toyota and nissan group C cars. I took the R92 out on the IA lic test and noticed that it does almost the same thing even on the smooth sections of sarthe.

 

[Ezz777]

smooth sections of sarthe.

I didn't think there were any (j/k). Seriously though, the straight is very bumpy which is what causes the jitteryness

 

[vroomvroom]

try reducing the spring rate. with the susp so hard the downforce is just slapping it off the road. thisl give a bit of give in the suspension. but of course it will effct the rear end a little thru corners. but the floppy backside doesnt bother me id still win anything in the thing. have u even tried putting a ballast on the very back of it? havnt tried that gave that a go

 

[ViXeN]

good to know. I think this problem is endemic to the toyota and nissan group C cars. I took the R92 out on the IA lic test and noticed that it does almost the same thing even on the smooth sections of sarthe.

I know your problem, I have the same thing on my Minolta... When you get into 6th gear the car's arse hops around and the tyre jitter, then acceleration almost haults...

No idea how to fix it, I never bothered trying... Perhaps I'll try this weekend and let you know by monday what I find...

 

[djaft3rb3ats]

well perhaps try a combination of all of the effects, downforce, springs, rideheight, which im sure most of you have already tried. but lets look at it this way, maybe because its so fast it cant handle it. it is one of the fastest cars in the game, so maybe it cant handle it, nor any other car. im guesing thats the tradeoff for a fast car with major pwnage hp.


djaft3rb3ats

 

[King_Impreza_21]

I cant solve that problem either. wonder if the real car did that

 

[Ezz777]

I cant solve that problem either. wonder if the real car did that

Best bet is to try to minimise the problem. i find raising the tail to max ride height, and the front to about 15mm below that, then softening the suspension all round.

Also turning off the ASM tends to minimise the loss of speed when the tail gets jittery. The GT4 physics model takes the jitteryness as being very small losses of traction in the rear - so the ASM whacks your brakes on to compensate. Furthermore - good old B-spec bob - drives in such a way as to monitor his traction on all four wheels and moderate his speed accordingly. Hence he sees the loss of traction and won't go any faster.

N.B. i find its only worth doing this if you are going to be going over 320 kmh for long periods on a given bumpy track (ie primarily for sarth I and II and the 'ring)

 

[King_Impreza_21]

No wonder i cant win all stars with him.