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I´ve been comparing lots of car (same model) to find out the best at least in terms of stats and I´m looking for some feedback and opinons concerning stats and driving of fully modded vehicles. Stock lovers will just have to forgive although knowing or remenbering stock potencial and comparisons would also be of interest.
One thing: some road test experience is lacking in my comparisons so if you have only driven a model from let´s say 96 don´t come shouting about the invincibility of the car... unless you have driven all the others and know what you´re talking about but ...feel to say if you really like it or not though.

So... lets say a mitsubishi mirage. What´s your pick from the whole lot (used non-used cyborg asti whatever) ? I go with the cyborg-r ´92.
Also the viper is a dilema - the gts is powerful and cool but the rt-10 has the same hp and torque while being lighter and uglier with race mods - is there a significant difference ?

 

[Skarburn]

For the Viper, no there isn't. They do exactly the same things. And I like the RT-10's Mod. Dunno why, but I do.

Can't say for the Mirage, because to my knowledge, its a low HP car.

But I know that there is a skyline that has accelleration to the max. I'm not joking, it'll go faster than the eski (Escudo) from the starting point. The eski will catch up a bit later, but either way. And this skyline is not, repeat NOT, a drag car.

 

[Pupik]

I've found the racing GT-Rs ('99-style) can come off the line better than the Escudo. Same with the Cultus, too.

But not for long.

The used Mitsu lot isn't anything special, in my opinion. Might as well save up for the '99 Evo VI, skip all the overweight 3000GTs, Legnums, etc. I don't understand; there could have been all these neat races, but the boys at PD created these silly events where you drive boring cars to complete the game. I guess they are a good way to learn the tracks as a newbie, but...a Mirage? Blah.

The only used Mitsu worth buying is the '94 FTO GPX; it will get 3 more horses when fully-tuned compared to the '97 new one. I suppose the '92 Cyborg is okay, but underpowered.

As for the Viper, there's only a few pounds difference between RT/10 and GTS. I like the GTS' race-mod better. Then again, if you have two memory cards...get them both!

 

[bla]

You surprised me there I didn´t know a skyline would beat the escudo in the start up. I really though him to be the best in that acceleration department - good. We´re getting there 1st he loses in top speed then in general acceleration now in the start up, definitly getting there.

Another viper paradigma for all that think the skyline gt-r34 v-spec is the best stock skyline... not. The simpler gt-r34 counterpart can get the same exact horsies and torque while being lighter. Again I prefer the heavier car mainly because it has a nicer race mod and again I lack the driving of the non v-spec version so what are your toughts ?

In Japanese territory I have also a altezza dispute: currently I have the rs 200 although the (lexus) IS 200 to be tough too. I belive the LM version and stock comparisons to be useless cause the outcome would be rather predictable in both cases.

 

[Joey]

weirdly enough...the Esprit V8 GT has the exact same potential power ratings as the $266,000 Exprit V8 SE, while it only costs like $80,000. It even looks better without a spoiler.

 

[Pupik]

Yeah, that's another weirdo in the Lotus Lot.

 

[bla]

The esprit v8 GT is less expensive and the 350 sport while being slighly more expensive is lighter than the other two so price in the esprits don´t say much.

Keeping in lotus territory wich is your favoutite elise (elise GT1 excluded) ? The motorsport is my pick although in this particular car the race mod does make a difference cause as lotus elise and esprit GT1 the lightweight gets in the way of stability and in the GT1 cars you have the downforce to counter it wich works pretty good together with some suspension work so I don´t know if I´ll keep him, maybe I´ll look for a replacement

 

[Joey]

Sport 190 in Chrome Orange Metallic.

 

[bla]

How do you keep him under control ? With downforce adjustments ? The elise 190 and the elise are just about the same - the 190 is somewhat lighter but the regular elise has more torque and can get more power sooner at lower revs so i´d have to go with the regular elise but the hp gap between this one and the motorsport version is considerable although the torque is just slightly improved- I think i´ll have to road test them.

Now for a rather unique case - the lancer evo is one of the few vehicles were the pos-tunned version can compete with the "manually" tunned stock version. Best stock lancer evo is the evo VI rs (again the price is deceitful) and while it is more powerful than the mine´s - wich i believe is a lancer V - this last one is substancially lighter.

So for the mine´s drivers especially for those who´ve driven the evo VI RS as well is it worth it ? Does the lightweight counters the lack of HP ? Keep in the mind that despite being heavier the evo VI rs has good handling.

 

[Pupik]

Originally posted by bla
So for the mine´s drivers especially for those who´ve driven the evo VI RS as well is it worth it ? Does the lightweight counters the lack of HP ? Keep in the mind that despite being heavier the evo VI rs has good handling.

I treat the Mine's Lancer V and the Evo. V as two different cars; not much difference when it's all said and done. You really have to work at your suspension setup to get the most from either underpowered Lancer V.

The big problem is understeer, and it's somewhat cured in the VI '99 Lancer, I still think the V '98 needs a steady hand to control and beat the best AI cars in the game. I do think the lightening helps the Mine's Evo, which is a good way to eliminate initial understeer. However, you don't have the same ability to upgrade every part; for example, that bizzare LSD in the Mine's Lancer has only a front adjustment...the car is 4WD, and therefore, it should have two separate initial/accel/decel controls.

 

[RB26DETT]

Originally posted by j2s
weirdly enough...the Esprit V8 GT has the exact same potential power ratings as the $266,000 Exprit V8 SE, while it only costs like $80,000.

the Esprit with the wing is lighter. don't know if the extra $$$ is worth the slight weight advantage, but if u have 50 million, like me, it doesn't

 

[Joey]

i buy the most expensive cars simply because they are, and i trust the dealers to make the best stuff cost the most. Burnout told me about that whole Esprit thing, right after i beat his RX-7 A-Spec with my Calibra on Laguna Seca.

 

[bla]

In some cases more expensive means best but there are inumerous ones where price doesn´t mean squat

 

[bla]

Take the vipers skylines gt-r34 esprits lancer evos for example just to name a few. There are also some Japanese models that have better used counterparts

 

[bla]

Wich one would you take: the 200sx k´s aero or the nismo 270R ?

 

[240Z freak]

Originally posted by j2s
Sport 190 in Chrome Orange Metallic.

Mmmm...Orange...

 

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Which skyline R-32 ? Most promissing models include the r32 v-spec II the mine´s r32.5 and tommy kaira´s m30.

I don´t quite remember the specs but I think the v-spec II was the worst in numbers. The mine´s version gets more HP (only 18 HPs actually) than the m30 but is a lot heavier. The m30 has pratically the same torque and is FR wich I believe in the bulky r32 chassis to be a bit more tricky to control. So more weight and 4wd or less weight and FR ? If you know other good r-32s go ahead and tell me.

 

[Pupik]

Originally posted by bla
If you know other good r-32s go ahead and tell me.

I'm not a big R32 fan, the understeer is terrible. However, the '89 R32 GT-R is probably my favorite, because it's the lightest of all the R32s when fully-tuned. All the R32s except the Mine's R32.5 can get 637hp...might as well go for the lightest and cheapest one!

 

[bla]

Thanks for the tip. However that car not being in the nissan car lot and me being in day x41 the tommy kaira m30 will do for now. Road tested both m30 and mine´s 32.5 and I think the lightweight driven carefully compensates the safer 4wd.


I´ve also finally found the time for elise comparison.
Took the motorsport elise and the regular elise tuned-up straight to grindelwald for the first test. A bit loosening in the suspension here a bit lifting there very low bound/rebound values full ascc no lsd in the motorsport. After some far from perfect laps 1:20. Similar settings for the elise no mixing with aero parts. After some motorsport similar laps 1:22.

Red rock valley next: almost the same settings in the elise and 1:17. Same for the motorsport and 1:16. In this track aerodinamic was a factor but surprisingly enough was more of a factor in the motorsport case wich doesn´t have that feature. The elise has and it wasn´t all that necessary. All the same I´m going with the motorsport elise