Modern War Planes: An open Opinion.

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We have some threads on GTplanet that give the opportunity to rate or give an opinion on certain vehicles. I thought I'd create one for military aircraft. Now, my title says Modern War Planes, but we can discuss Sopwith's and Messerschmidts and the old MiGs and all. Whatever war planes you want to discuss, here is your place to do so.

My first comparo is:

Eurofighter EF-2000 v. F-22 Raptor

Now, in my humble opinion I have to give it to the Raptor. This thing is stealthy, and routinely carries payloads well above 8'000lbs (listed as a [max] 15'000lb. carrier.) The F-22 program is said to be some 20 years longer in the development stage than the Eurofighter, and if this is so, it was worth it. Now, there is some argument against the idea of it being in the development stage so long. The theory in its entirty however, is that when the LWF (light weight fighter) program began in 1981 its ultimate product was the Raptor or "Milenium Fighter." The F-22 as originally launched began life in 1981. The F/A-22 designation has been put on that aircraft following its launch in 2004. Also, the F/B-22 (another incarnation of the LWF program) has been rumored to already exist though most sources say that its still "on the drawing board." Quite simply put, this aircraft seems to be a multi-role aircraft that can do each [role] near perfectly. Fighter, Close Support, Counter-Insurgency, Tactical stike, Strategic Bomber, Anti-ship, Anti-submarine and the list goes on.

The Eurofighter is an excellent craft in itself. The initial agreement to develop what has until recently been called the European Fighter Aircraft, was signed between Italy, the UK and what was then West Germany in 1988. Upon the fall of the brick wall Germany's part in the development was lessoned, for obvious reasons. By the end of development and almost up to launch no one knew what the purpose of the aircraft was. The program ended up being similar to the U.S. LWF project and produced a similar sweptwing, lightweight, mid to heavy payload (4'000-15'000lb.) attack/fighter aircraft. Specializing in Fighter, Tactical Strike, and Tactical reconnaissance, the Eurofighter also played "Counter-Insurgency" in Afganistan and Iraq most recently.

Both aircraft are capable, incredible, almost awe-inspiring machines. Mostly do to bias but a lot can be due to capability, I chose the F-22. I'd like to hear people's opinions on the above and maybe on other aircraft. I figured what I'd do from now on is compare/contrast aircraft that have fought with or against each other or just aircraft that are similar and have "rivalries" in some ways.

m.piedgros
 
I think the F14 will be missed once they stop producing them in the near future. A great and versatile jet that served the U.S. very well for many years. With that being said, I wonder what new jet will be use in it's place... Anyone?
 
Most likely the Joint Strike Fighter. They have a VTOL version, a wider folding wing version for aircraft carriers and a normal workhorse version. It's smaller and lighter than the F-14, it's two main weaknesses, especially when you put it on a carrier. Once it comes along the US will have both of its main combat fighter/bombers in stealth mode. And I wonder how many more overhauls the B-52 has left? I hope there are many.
 
I think that plane is one of the best military investments America has ever made. The thing is beast and it just keeps going. It's simple, tough, fast, cheap, and can pack quite a wallop.
 
Unlike the Canadian Sea King copters... Say everything you just said and then say NOT! and you have the Sea Kings...

I think the Apaches (and it's various embodyments) will outlast the 52 in the long run... As will the new helicopter they're working on... It may be out already, but I can't find anything on it right now... Though Hercules, Chinook, comes to mind, thought I'm pretty sure it's neither of these as they've been around for a long time... I'llget back to you on this...
 
They were working on a Cammanche for a while. It was an attack helicopter like the Apache but had stealthy body work, internal weapons, and folding wheel struts. It was pretty maneuvreable. They still have some that work, one of them appeared on American Chopper (the motorcycle show) a year or two back. I think they should just stick with the Apache though, since a stealthy helicopter would be way too expensive. Helicopters cvrash, get shot down, all sorts of stuff, and way more often than planes. Besides, the Apache just kicks ass. Our Chinooks and Blackhawks are also kings of the roost in their lines of work. Now we're overhauling our Navy with stealthy ships. That's neat-o!
 
It's a tranporter of some sort I beleive... Like a the Chinook... But it only has one prop... Looks kind of like a Black Hawk, but the base is a lot wider and it has a trap door in the door in the back... I've seen it door flips and I think barrel rolls... Thought it's huge, it's like a big dancing bear...
 
My favorite aircraft: Undoubtedly the F-16 for it's multi-purpose capability, and its incredibly long and well-respected service life. Although she will eventually be phased out of the USAF (I think in part to the F-22), she will still be rememberd as one of the greatest fighter planes to ever fly through the sky. Ohhh, and if there was a car comparison to the F-16, it would most certainly be the Chevrolet Corvette. The plane is balanced, powerful, and incredibly easy to operate, and thus will be remembered for a very long time.

2nd Best: F-18, again for similar reasons to the F-16. Easy to operate, easy to fix, and easy to equip. She is good at damn near everything, but has a signifigant power advantage over some of the other planes in the sky. If there was a car comparison to the F-18, it has to be the Dodge Viper. She can be nice if she wants, but when you crank up the power, she can turn into one nasty ***** that won't hesitate to blow your ass out of the sky.

Best Import Model: Saab JAS-39 "Gripen" mainly for it's short-range capability in takeoff and landing. This was a pretty amazing feat for the Saab engineers to takle, having a plane function with only an 800M runway, and it most certainly deserves recognition for it. It may not have a service record like that of the F-16 or F-18, but shes a sweetie nonetheless. Car Comparison? Ultima GTR for start and stop capability...

Best Enemy Aircraft (Tie): Chinese J10 (similar competition to F-16) and J-XX (upcomming compeditor to the F-22). Stangely the Chinese still seem to think the US is going to destroy them, so they see the need to build planes to compete against ours. Too bad the F-22 and JSF are allready near production, as we are WAY ahead of the curve compared to the Chinese at the moment.
 
Our areospace stuff is ahead, if not way, of everyone. I don't get why China is worrying. As long as they don't shoot us, we won't shoot them. It'd be nice if they'd join some more organizations for good measure, though.
 
I like military planes as long as they come from Lockheed Martin. I have a huge investment in their company and as long as they keep producing things to show small thrid world countries where it's at, I'm going to keep making boat loads of cash. I bought the stock while it was at 32 dollars a few years back and I still have it today while it's at 72. I really like Lockheed and all they do.
 
Arent the majority of US millitary contracts comming from Lockheed these days anyway? I know Boeing had a big on what would become the JSF, but I think they lost out to LM...
 
For the most part yes, hence why the stock has skyrocketed in 2 years time.
 
keef
They were working on a Cammanche for a while. It was an attack helicopter like the Apache but had stealthy body work, internal weapons, and folding wheel struts. It was pretty maneuvreable. They still have some that work, one of them appeared on American Chopper (the motorcycle show) a year or two back. I think they should just stick with the Apache though, since a stealthy helicopter would be way too expensive. Helicopters cvrash, get shot down, all sorts of stuff, and way more often than planes. Besides, the Apache just kicks ass. Our Chinooks and Blackhawks are also kings of the roost in their lines of work. Now we're overhauling our Navy with stealthy ships. That's neat-o!
I thought the commanche was cancelled? They just couldn't see the point in something that flew at low level and was being tracked by infantry being stealthy. Plus it was mega expensive.

m.piedgros
My first comparo is:

Eurofighter EF-2000 v. F-22 Raptor

Now, in my humble opinion I have to give it to the Raptor
Classic American. Spoken with absolutely no mention of cost. :sly:

And that's my key point. The F-22 Raptor was designed and built with an almost unlimited budget, the Eurofighter had a very tight budget, even though it was greatly exceeded it was still not as expensive as the F-22 per unit.

Next on the international scene is the JSF. Hopefully it won't be too heavy for the new UK aircraft carriers ;)
 
The Commanche was cancelled, thought they still have a few copies that they play with every now and then. And I'm sure they JSF will be just fine for the UK's carriers, it is the Joint Strike Fighter, after all. And the carrier version is purpose built. It's smaller than the outgoing F-14 by a large margin and it's lighter, too.
 
Well, there's a flaw in this whole comparison thing..

What is there left that can possibly compare to the B-52? Granted, BUFF turned 50 not too long ago, and the USAF plans to keep them around until at least 2040. With a few in a state that they could be airworthy at AMARC, and with several at AMARC for parts, the B-52 won't be quieting down anytime soon. Here's why nothing really compares:

1. It's so freaking huge. It's the Largest Tactical Bomber the USAF has ever used, and it's so big that most other countries with the money for developing a similar aircraft wouldn't, as it would use too much fuel.

2. Nothing will probably come around that could fill the role, as the US and other air forces have figters that drop bombs, so development for huge bombers isn't really needed.

3. 8 engines. 8,000 miles range. 70,000 lbs. of fireworks.

4. It has an onboard urinal.

Eat it, JSF.:dopey:

"And when the last B-2 is flown to AMARC to be dismantled, a B-52 crew will be waiting to take the B-2 pilots home."
 
We're not comparing aircraft to aircraft (me; on the B-52 comment.) At least not necessarilly. I thought I might do a weekly comparo this is just a place to show off your "madd skillz" when it comes to knowledge of military aircraft.


I have to say of my favorite war planes (for the most part that is the response I've been getting, what fave aircrafts of yours are [great english! 👍 :sly: ])

Anywho... My favorite:

General Dynamics (Lockhead) F-111. Looking at a side view of the aircraft it is about the most attractive aircraft in the world. It has also proven itself. The F-111 was the first tactical aircraft in the world with variable-geometry and also the first IN THE WORLD with afterburning turbofans! Despite a controversial launch, the F-111 has set a standard in tactical strike capability. Combat experience in Vietnam (America beat the Americans!) as well as in the Libya (1985) proved it to be an unbeatable, all-weather precision tactical bomber which has fully overcome the doubt surrounding it early in its life.

Of course this craft stood up to stiff competition [for the title of my favorite plane] from the F-14 Tomcat, F-16 Fighting Falcons and F-15 Eagle. I remember the first modell I ever built with my Dad was of an F-14. From that point on in my childhood, every Christmas I asked for F-14 Modells and toys. The F-16 took over as my favorite when I learned of its existance. Fighter, close support, tactical strike, tactical recon, and trainer. The F-16 truly defined multi-purpose. F-16A also known as F-16C, and F-16D were single seater F-16's, just adding to the name plates overall domination of the skies. As for the F-15 Eagle, that thing has been called the sweetest aircraft ever. I'm serious my cousin is an F-15 pilot, he says the thing is a dream to fly, one of the best aircraft in the world.

I think I'm done for now,

m.piedgros


EDIT 1: "cariable-geometry, wtf is that?" I meant variable. Teehee *blushing.*

EDIT 2: Forgot a [SPACE] I should really, REALLY edit before I post!

EDIT 3: Not really an Edit. I can't believe they're taking the B2 out of service! Haha, of course my Grandpa [reading over my shoulder] has just pointed out he still can't believe they took the B-29 out of service!!! Haha!

EDIT 4: Again, no edit. What are GTPlanet's opinions on the Lancaster Bomber (G.B., Canadian bomber. I've now remembered that my OTHER Grandpa worked on the fuel system for that (others include Spitfire.) I have not read much about it, it was really the American side of my family that got me interested in the military and I have dumbly not looked to much into my Grandpa (on the English side of my family's) work for the British Air Force before and during WWII. Brief overview on G-Pa: Spitfires were especially hurt in dogfights by a choking problem in the carburetor (on steep dives and inclines,) apparently my Gramps was able to fix that.
 
That's cool about your Grandfather, m. piedgros.👍 :)

My Grandfather flew a B-24 during WWII. I never got to meet him though:(. My Dad says that he had a little plane after the war, and that he'd do all sorts of tricks for everyone.


I'm one of those people who's a fan of some of the more oddball or unsung planes, like the F-105, F-8/A-7, and the A-1 Skyraider.

My favorite plane is the A-1 Skyraider. Why? Because it was a big, nasty, prop driven Tank in an age where jets had rendered all the other propeller driven aircraft obsolete. They could carry huge amounts of weapons, and could sustain damage that would have destroyed many jets. They flew escort for the "jolly green giants", making sure that the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Airforce didn't screw with downed pilots. They were the precursor to the A-10, as they weren't really suited to dogfights, but could destroy anything on the ground. Plus, Straight wings are cool.

For some odd reason I've always had a soft spot for the F-105 Thunderchief. Probably becuse they're the first combat jet plane I'd ever seen in real life. (there's one on a couple concrete poles as a highway marker for the Chillicothe Airport on Hwy. 36 in Missouri.:guilty:-someone should restore it.) Although they accounted for almost half of the planes shot down in Vietnam, they also did a big chunk of the work. "Thud" had the US record for the largest payload until the F-4 Phantom II came out. Plus, they look pretty sweet. I don't think there's another plane that quite has the same wing shape as the Thunderchief.
 
finally, a place where i can go to talk to my fellow "airheads".

i can see quite a few planes listed that really have aplace in history. The F-111. B-52, F-105, F-4, B-24, B-29, Eurofighter, F-22, F-15, F-16, and so on...

But, by far, my favorite plane has to be the F-14. Being the first plane i ever saw, both on Top Gun (my favorite movie) and in real person (Cleveland Air Show, 2002), it has a place in my heart that will never grow weary.

Grumman got it right when they built it. Back in its prime it was a huge deal to have a super-sonic fighter jet. But this was better. It was a twin-engine, variable sweep wing, two-seat interceptor, that was also a super sonic fighter. It enforced air superiority and is a plne that most countries can identify easily due to its involvement in the Navy for many years.

I was very sad to see it go this year. I taped the Modern Marvels on the F-14. If anyone wants a copy, let me know. Ill mail you one :)


Now also, i have many pictures from a few different airshows. if anyone wants to see em, id be more than happy to post em.

Keep this thread flying!
 
I think my Grandfather flew an ol' Northrop F89 Scorpion during Korea. He was stationed up in Alaska at the time, but he really doesnt talk about it much.
 
My favourite modern plane? F-18, no doubt. Mainly because it's the one I've seen most often, but I've had the joy to witness the flight of Mirages and F-16s too. The Hornet looked much more business-like then the other two, and the roar of its engines completely left the others in shame. It's fast, it's agile, and it's still state of the art despite being almost thirty years old thanks to the new avionics.

But when it comes to my overall favourite, we're leaving the jet era and entering the world of rumbling piston engines. Nothing can beat the graceful Spitfire for me, it has the looks, it has the speed, it has the handling and above all, it has the sound of the Rolls-Royce, no matter if it's Merlin or Griffon. The best overall package ever.
 
EDIT 3: Not really an Edit. I can't believe they're taking the B2 out of service! Haha, of course my Grandpa [reading over my shoulder] has just pointed out he still can't believe they took the B-29 out of service!!! Haha!
There's no plans to. It's just something B52 fans say to describe how much life is left in the old dog.

Do any of you ever get military aircraft flying over you home/school/place of work?

I've seen countless Hawker gnats, dozen Jaguars and a couple of harriers. I even remember there being a Herc flying over before. Also during the build up to the Iraq war we had a few F-15 fly over, damn those things are loud! The best time I saw them though was when I was at stonehenge and there was a pair doing dogfight practive only a few miles away.

The reason I see these jets is that I live near/under the flight path for jets flying from south coast bases to RAF valley and some ranges in the Brecons.

[EDIT] And one of my favourite aircraft has to be the Harrier. It was an amzing feat to produce a plane that could actually take off and land vertically plus carry a good load of weapons (though it couldn't VTO with a full load).

It proved it's combat effectiveness in the Falklands when only a handful took on the entire Argentinian air force.
 
I'm in love with the P -51 D Mustang..always have been since I built a model as a kid...and saw them at an Air show...

The most functional looking " combat " image jet IMO was the Sabre jets ,,
If you sat and doodled aircraft in english lit class..it was sabres and mustangs .
 
What about the A-10 Warthog? Now that is an awesome plane.

Flying slow and low hunting Russian T-72 battle tanks with it's 30mm cannon that fires depleted uranium shells that are the size of milk bottles! What's not to love about that?

A dozen hard points on it's wings for Hellfire missles and laser guided bombs! Heck, it can even support Sidewinder missles if the situation calls for it. Ya need to take out those pesky Russian Hind-26's!

The pilot sits in a virtual bathtub of armor plating. Almost all critical systems are double or triple redundant. Nothings bringing down this plane.

Sad to see it on the way out though. :|

Carry on.
 
It's on the way out? THat's a bad move for the USAF.. The a-10 is one of the coolest planes they've got! Everytime I've been to the Lake Of the Ozarks in southwest Missouri, there were at least a dozen flyovers of A-10s daily. it was pretty cool.:dopey:
 
...I was just going to mention the A-10 presence here in West Michigan. During the Summer you can see them flying overhead all the time, but it is probably because of the two major airshows that are held here every year. We also have touch-and-go training done with C-17s at the local airport, and that is a pretty regular thing as well.

Other than that, you might see the ocasional F-15 or F-16 depending on whats going on around town. With the last two Presidential Visits here in Grand Rapids there was a small showing of Air Force power, esp. his speech in 2003 right after the State of the Union.

As for the airshows, there have been some pretty impressive appearances. The few that I remember the most were at the Muskeegon Air Fair, I want to say in 1999 or so... That year they had the Blackbird, B2 Stealth Bomber, F-16s, F-18s, as well as some vintage WWII planes as well. I was amazed at how incredibly loud the Blackbird was, and generally how quiet the B2 was. We spent the airshow out on Lake Muskeegon next to the airport, and we had some great low altitude fly-bys with the F-16 and F-18.
 
High-Test
It's on the way out? THat's a bad move for the USAF.. The a-10 is one of the coolest planes they've got! Everytime I've been to the Lake Of the Ozarks in southwest Missouri, there were at least a dozen flyovers of A-10s daily. it was pretty cool.:dopey:

I know this is going to sound stupid, but is it not the Army that owns, uses the A-10? I thought I heard something like that... Kind of like how it was the navy that had the Tomcats...? Just a question...
 
YSSMAN
...I was just going to mention the A-10 presence here in West Michigan. During the Summer you can see them flying overhead all the time, but it is probably because of the two major airshows that are held here every year. We also have touch-and-go training done with C-17s at the local airport, and that is a pretty regular thing as well.

For sure, I go over to Grand Haven all the time and I see them from time to time. Also up in Alpina there is a Air National Guard base where I see all sorts of planes while I'm fishing.
 
Canadian Speed
I know this is going to sound stupid, but is it not the Army that owns, uses the A-10? I thought I heard something like that... Kind of like how it was the navy that had the Tomcats...? Just a question...
I think you're right.

The Fleet Air Arm are part of the GB Navy and they control the seaborne harriers. Like the Army control the Apaches.
 
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