Most baddest handling car

[vette_7t9]

I have a rant on a few cars that have ABSOLUTELY CRAPTACULAR handling.

First, it's the Castrol Supra and all other high HP supras. They understeer like mad if you turn withouth braking, then when you do actually brake, the thing spins out like helicopter blades.

Second, it's the speed 12. When you reach a high speed, it starts wobbling and when you take a turn, it spins out.

Last, the GT90. It can't even handle the test course without half - drifting the turns, but with enough(took me 4-5 hours) of tuning, it will handle as nice as a mustang.

 

[Axe_Gaijin]

For some reasons I can't get to grips with a fully tuned NSX.
I like to drive them a lot more in GT3

 

[TsLeng]

I think they are absolutely great to drive. just tune them. Speed 12 is scary yes because power is *&%^$%# i dunno how to express it.

 

[milefile]

So by bad you mean bad?

I never liked the Elise GT1. But a lot of people think it's great.

 

[TICAL]

the R33 drag car, or the other one HKS sonething, i forgot what its called anyway those 2 cars are the worst handling EVER!!!!

 

[Woolie Wool]

Besides the Skyline drag car, the worst-handling car I've driven so far is (fanfare goes here):

The Escudo. Fortunately it's so &$#% fast that it wins every race it enters.

But the HKS was truly horrid. IT JUST CAN'T FSCKING TURN. And when you exit the turn, the piece of $#!+ spins its wheels through two gears before really accelerating. I almost lost the GT-R meeting (racing style) because of the handling and the wheelspin. I ought to sell it. The Escudo can outrun it anyway.

 

[vette_7t9]

The NSX is ok........
I also find the Cobra's hard to handle with fully tuned equipment. It spins out a lot, but after tuning it a bit, the handling gets better.
Seriously tho, Castrol Supra is a piece o crap. Why did i even bother to get it? It's so much better in GT3.

 

[TsLeng]

Don't expect drag cars to turn. They don't . Its mean for straight line racing only.

 

[NOS_Conor]

Worst Handling: GT90, and it also is just plain ugly

Don't expect much from the drag cars, I've heard of people tuning them for 12+ hours, and they couldn't get anything out of 'em.

 

[hsrdragger]

Get a Subie 360 and modify it to the max.

Then, without tuning the the tranny, try and find the top speed of the biznatch..........i never could do it

yes, i do realize the car sux in general

 

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by vette_7t9
I have a rant on a few cars that have ABSOLUTELY CRAPTACULAR handling.

First, it's the Castrol Supra and all other high HP supras. They understeer like mad if you turn withouth braking, then when you do actually brake, the thing spins out like helicopter blades.

I would have to disagree with this statement. I find the Supra's quite fast and stable. Normally I don't post my settings but heck give these a try.
Also your racing line is very important. The angle of corner entry how long you brake for when you brake, and then when you accelerate. Think of if you were driving a real car. Would you try and come snotting into a corner like an F1 car at 260k's (161mph) and slam on the brakes 100 feet from a hair pin? It will not nor will any other car in GT2 take sharp corners at full noise. If you are using walls to get around corners then ignor this as you obviously are not interested in driving as you should.

It took me a while to come to grips with the AI of the game, but once I figured they tried to make it somewhat realistic tuning was easy. I have gotten the CDMA Supra down to 1.11:000's lap times on Trial Mountain and also 1 min flat times on Midfield.
I also run it manual. I do not use any gear lower than 3rd when on the course. 1st and 2nd are useless as it wheelspins way too much and it has enough torque to pull you back up to speed from even 70k (43mph).

Suspension Metric Aprox Converted
Front Rear Or Front Rear
Spring Rate 7.8kg 6.8kg 17.1 lb 15. lb
Ride Height 86mm 86mm 3.4 in 3.4 in
Damp Bound 4 level 3 level
Damp Rebound 7 level 6 level
Camber 2.6 deg 1.0 deg
Toe 0 0
Stabilizer 4 4

Areodymanics are set to full/full (sacraific top speed but improves the overall handling at high speeds)

Others LSD Setups

LSD Initial 2
LSD Accel 18
LSD Decel 4
ASCC 23
TCSC 32


On the Escudo one that is so difficult to get it to turn properly on asphault. I spent countless hours getting it to handle right. Top time on Red Rock is in the high 50 sec a lap, a min flat on Leguna Sec, and 55 sec on Mid Field.

 

[Pupik]

Drag cars are crap; I don't waste my time anymore. The TVR Chimaera still bugs me, and the '99 RX-7 GT-C is still anoying to drive well after all there years.

 

[tvroverlord]

Originally posted by vette_7t9
I have a rant on a few cars that have ABSOLUTELY CRAPTACULAR handling.

Second, it's the speed 12. When you reach a high speed, it starts wobbling and when you take a turn, it spins out.

I knew that as soon as I got a computer and decided to check out the gt forums i would see this. It's a nice ego boost. Once you learn to drive this car its insanely fast. I have yet to find a car that corners faster...like i said you just have to know the car

 

[Pupik]

You can tune the Tuscan Speed 6, but the Speed 12 tunes the driver.

 

[Joey]

...provided the driver survives.

 

[tvroverlord]

Originally posted by pupik
You can tune the Tuscan Speed 6, but the Speed 12 tunes the driver.

you are so correct...you definitely have to adjust your driving style...the car has mind of its own. It takes a concentrated effort to drive her..

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by pupik
Drag cars are crap; I don't waste my time anymore. The TVR Chimaera still bugs me, and the '99 RX-7 GT-C is still anoying to drive well after all there years.

Gotta disagree there, esp after reading your A-spec experience. I gotta GT-C, cranked up to 446hp. After your post, I bought an A-spec, boosted it to roundabout 500hp, and the GT-C still clocks it around midfield and trial mountain.

Yes, yes, both have full suspension tuning to my tastes, and are equal in all other respects

I have to say the Raybrig type NSX's suuuhhhuck. I took one for a spin at laguna, and courtesy of two spin in the first lap ended up 14 sec behin in 6th. Only some kamikazi stuff at the corkscrew on the last lap saved blushes.

Then i got toasted at redrock thanks to another languid spin on the last lap. At least they are a quick $$$

 

[Skarburn]

About the GT90. The reason why it's so crap, is because its a SHOWROOM CAR. Meaning it's not really meant to be driven, just meant to make the room look prettyful.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by Skarburn
About the GT90. The reason why it's so crap, is because its a SHOWROOM CAR. Meaning it's not really meant to be driven, just meant to make the room look prettyful.

So how do you explain the LM concept car? That is a "SHOWROOM CAR", but is still a kickass car

 

[Joey]

the Concept Car is a concept car. the Concept Car LM isn;t a concept car. it's the actual Copperhead. i don't think it really exists in LM form, but apparently enough people drove it in GT that Polyphony saw it as worthy for GT2.

the GT90 is filthy mcnasty. one of the ugliest things i've ever seen. that's the best Ford could do with a quad-turbo V12?

 

[MistaY]

Heh, I remember getting annoyed because I had to run the seattle enduro like 5 times to get the Ford Escort rally car and it kept giving me the GT90.

The GT90 was really heavy and didn't handle, at all well. It also looked like someone had gone crazy go nuts with a sander on the bodywork.

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by vette_7t9
I have a rant on a few cars that have ABSOLUTELY CRAPTACULAR handling.

First, it's the Castrol Supra and all other high HP supras. They understeer like mad if you turn withouth braking, then when you do actually brake, the thing spins out like helicopter blades.

I actually thought the Supras handled quite nicely.

Second, it's the speed 12. When you reach a high speed, it starts wobbling and when you take a turn, it spins out.

Mate, this thing was not made to handle, it was made to get heaps wheel-spin and not a whole lot more.

Last, the GT90. It can't even handle the test course without half - drifting the turns, but with enough(took me 4-5 hours) of tuning, it will handle as nice as a mustang.

Same with this one. This little beastie was made to spin out at 40 km/h.

Oh well, I have GT3 to look forward to now, and I don't think I've ever unintentionally spun out.

 

[Mike Rotch]

I gotta say that for me a lancer rates right up there. Great for drifting around like lost icebergs in the atlantic, but impossible to get a decent lap going in that thing.

 

[bla]

I have yet to find a car that corners faster

Out of curiosity what was the faster corner you did in him?

As for the other comments it´s rather strange to see some comments still making their way in in such a plain way. It´s nice to actually see someone say "I think in my case..." or "it doesn´t work for me"...
The speed 12 after the right tunning is a monster car but it still requires safe driving and skill. It wasn´t made to handle... slowly and by people that can´t do it at all. Now it IS a bad handling car but corners like crazy especialy in fast ones; there´s a difference between being able to corner safely and corner fast.
The GT90 is an awsome car after the right tunnin and one of the cars that can most reckelesly be trown into a turn. Wheelspin? Instability? Learn to tune.

Don´t be pissed with me but if no one says a thing the idea that these are bad cars will prevail and that can´t do... because it´s not true.
The rx7 gt-c. That is a car that corners like shlt. The handling isn´t so hot either.

 

[Mike Rotch]

As for the other comments it´s rather strange to see some comments still making their way in in such a plain way. It´s nice to actually see someone say "I think in my case..." or "it doesn´t work for me"... ......The rx7 gt-c. That is a car that corners like shlt. The handling isn´t so hot either. [/B][/QUOTE]


Perhaps read what you write

 

[bla]

Oh I see.
The rx7 IS a car that corners like shlt. I can outrun rx7s with 500hp cars. It´s shlty it doesn´t corner or handles well.
When people talk blindly about great cars, that´s just lack of testing or skill and since they are great cars there should be a "I don´t know how to drive it " or "I never came to terms with it" see? In the rx7 case its a fact not an opinion. People who say the car is fast... are right. It has great acceleration and stuff, but can´t corner well no matter how well you drive it. The car wasn´t programed for it, it´s numbers.

 

[Mike Rotch]

P'raps you should read your last two posts. First you say posters shouldnt make sweeping generalisations like, "this car sucks", or "this car cant corner fast". You suggest that instead it is the person who cannot set the car up correctly or drive properly, and the car not cornering worth a damn should be applied to the relevant individual.

Now all of a sudden, it IS the cars fault. No matter if it suits a particular persons driving style, "IT IS THE CAR" .

Well

In the case of the RX7-c, maybe it is you who is unable in your considerable "authority" to set it up properly, thus drawing the conclusion it cant handle. I admit, i dont warm to the handling characteristics of the A-Spec, and am more at ease in the rx7-c.

So pleez, do us all a favour, and say what you mean, and mean what you say.

 

[bla]

Alright I´m going to explain this nice and easy: there are good cars and bad cars in gt2. Tunning is an option that can turn some cars into better machines like the GT90 and Speed 12 but there are cars that no matter how much tunning they get are always bad to an extent.

I allow myself to do this kind of raw analisys because after some tunning effort I discovered that the speed 12 and GT90 are great cars whereas the rx7 gt-c was a lost case. Now you talked about driving the car with 446hp. Wouldn´t know about that since I play with him with full HP. Anyway since there are lots of pumped up cars that corner well, I find the gt-c to be cheesy.
It´s easy to see really, argue all you want... or show me some good times with him if you want, that´s a better comparison method anyway. The only time that car impressed me was in the top speed test.

 

[Mike Rotch]

well, you seem intent on defending the horses ass on wheels aka the GT90, and me the gt-c. I guess the only conclusions to be draw is that a) you talk in tongues, and b) it is different strokes for different folks. We shall not enter the debate about the merits of hi/lo hp, but all i will say is this:

bla.......blah

 

[bla]

Ok Mike.
Out of curiosity I remember a 1:19xxx lap (I think) with a s2000, with about 330-350hp, in laguna seca. It wasn´t a great lap but it was good. So just to compare...