most powerful 1.6L engine

[kranzx]

We are having a little debate on this subject on my local car forum. We were settled down for the Toyota 4A-GE (Blacktop 20v) until someone mentioned the Mini Cooper S (Supercharge 1.6L, 210bhp). Is this the most powerful 1.6L road car engine ever made? The car has to be in stock factory settings. Those we could go to a car dealer and buy.

Many thanks.

 

[Famine]

Well, of course there's the various "tuner" versions of the same engine - Hartge springs to mind. They're still technically factory (since Hartge is, in this case, a manufacturer, rather than a modifier). And of course the John Cooper Works version - which is what I think you're actually referring to, since the standard MINI Cooper-S has 170hp.

GM has a 180hp turbo 1.6, but that's a little way off.

VW's Mk5 Golf has a 1.4 twincharged engine - 168hp supercharged and turbocharged - which is about the same as a 190hp 1.6.

After that, I'm shrugging.

 

[Dave A]

Pity you said factory road car not race car or the answer would be around 1500bhp .

I honestly can't think of a more powerful factory standard 1.6 road car at this point in time.

 

[backspace]

The Mini Cooper S would still win, but some of the 4a-gze's (supercharged) had 175 hp.

 

[opendriver]

Close but no cigar..

 

[backspace]

Close but no cigar..

That's a 2.3 L.

 

[skip0110]

Didn't Lotus use a Ford 1600 with a special twin cam head? I am pretty sure some of these had significant power output.

 

[neanderthal]

is there an SR16VET? or am i thinking SR18

 

[niky]

The SR18DE, AFAIK, was only availabe as a base, 126-130hp engine. It was dropped when Nissan developed the QG-series... (seriously off topic).

Back on topic. There was a 195 hp SR16VE in the N1 pulsar. Badass engine. Our local Nissan actually had one lying at the dealership here a while back, as they were planning to use it in a Sentra touring car, but they never got the budget for the project. This was a boxed engine and they were offering it for sale. If I hadn't sold my SR20 Sentra, I would've bought it.

This is a factory car engine mind you, sold in a straight from the dealership car. Was hella expensive to produce, very expensive to buy, but the Honda Type R still pwned it on the track.

There are also the various 170++ hp B16 Hondas here and there...

But if we're talking modern engines, Nissan doesn't use the SR16 anymore, just various SR20Ms, VEs and VETs.

I think the John Cooper S Works counts as factory, doesn't it?

 

[Wolfe]

At the moment, Carfolio's search function seems to be broken, so I can't give you any answers, but I can give you the following link, and if it works for you, it should be able to give you some more powerful ones, if any exist.

Carfolio Advanced Search Engine -- Power Output for Cars with 1.6L Engines

 

[TheCracker]

Didn't Lotus use a Ford 1600 with a special twin cam head? I am pretty sure some of these had significant power output.

They used it in the early 60's in the Elan, Lotus Cortina and Lotus 7. In standard trim it had 105bhp. The 'big valve' version used in later Elans had around 126bhp i believe. Not great by todays standards but pretty good for over 40 years ago, especially with no fuel injection or engine management.

Racing versions can get upto 175bhp from the 1.6. Our 1.9 version gets around 210bhp with carb inlet trumpets big enough to put your fist in 👍

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

We are having a little debate on this subject on my local car forum. We were settled down for the Toyota 4A-GE (Blacktop 20v) until someone mentioned the Mini Cooper S (Supercharge 1.6L, 210bhp). Is this the most powerful 1.6L road car engine ever made? The car has to be in stock factory settings. Those we could go to a car dealer and buy.

Many thanks.

Go for the Toyota, it'll last sooo much longer, I can assure you that 👍

 

[Poverty]

wasnt there some mad revving 1.6 type-r mugen with 220hp?

 

[Wolfe]

Let's see, the search thingy I linked to is working now...

It seems the Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1 is the winner with its 197hp, and after that comes the 183hp Honda Civic Type-R (EK9). Unless there's something more powerful that Carfolio doesn't know about.

 

[niky]

I got it right, then... ohh... okay, I was off by 2hp.

Nissan pwnz you all.

 

[the Interceptor]

But the 210 bhp works cooper S is still at the top, or am I missing something? 💡

 

[Famine]

It depends if they class the MINI Cooper S John Cooper Works as a production car or not. And it doesn't look like they do, for some reason.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I get a 1.6lt V8, suzuki C2 as 1st place

 

[sar593]

I guess that the debate is limited for cars, but what about a bike?

 

[kranzx]

According to supercars.net, C2 seems to be a concept car am I right? 1644cc Twin turbo V8 ~ 250bhp, very interesting figures indeed! Thanks guys!

I guess that the debate is limited for cars, but what about a bike?

sorry mate. we're talking about cars only.

 

[STLbarcelona5]

This is really an interesting conversation. Seeing how much power can be squeezed out such a small displacement. Thinking back how my '79 Super Beetle has 48hp at 4200rpm on a 1600cc flat four. Now the cooper works has four times that! Ridiculous . . .


On a side note, funny thing happened today. During a test drive of a Jetta today, my dad wants to get the TDI, so I asked the sales guy who was sitting up front as we're driving along (not so nice, im 6' and all legs, although the back wasn't that cramped) what the displacement was on the TDI? He paused a second, and is like "um, I don't know I'll have to check on that one." So I was like hmm, isn't it a 1.6 or something. And he goes, "Oh yeah the literage is 1.9."

I dunno, is it just me or did he just make up "literage"? When he said it i was actually really surprised, I'd HOPE that a sales rep would know that displacement means liters/cc/etc. But literage, cmon now.

 

[Wolfe]

Haven't you ever been in a situation where a certain word, no matter how simple it is, escapes you, so you just make up a new one? I can remember one specific instance where I referred to a scale as a "weigher."

@The MINI Cooper S John Cooper Works: Well, the search doesn't exclude concepts or non-production cars. As Small_Fryz says, the Suzuki C2 is the top result. I guess Carfolio just doesn't have the John Cooper Works, but I'm not sure a tuner kit, even a dealer-supported one, counts...

It's up to kranzx and his friends to include the MINI or not. If not, the Pulsar appears to be the winner.

 

[niky]

And then you stop to consider that the Mini needs a supercharger to get that much power... hmmmm.... but that's an achievement in itself, as most manufacturers don't even bother with forced induction on engines this small.

Speaking of forced induction on small engines... I've just finished test-driving a 1.5 turbodiesel Hyundai Getz. effing' 250 NM of torque (180 ft-lbs) in a tiny car really hauls ass!

 

[STLbarcelona5]

Speaking of forced induction on small engines... I've just finished test-driving a 1.5 turbodiesel Hyundai Getz. effing' 250 NM of torque (180 ft-lbs) in a tiny car really hauls ass!

Regarding lots of torque. Since my dad has serious plans about getting a diesel Jetta. Have any of you driven one? Just curious to know what to expect, other than what the #s say (100hp, 177lb/ft).

 

[the Interceptor]

Regarding lots of torque. Since my dad has serious plans about getting a diesel Jetta. Have any of you driven one? Just curious to know what to expect, other than what the #s say (100hp, 177lb/ft).

It's the 1.9 TDI, right? That's a really good engine (at least for my standards). It's grunty, very economical (should do 60 mpg, I've seen people do more!), revs happily for a diesel and never fails. 👍

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Leonidae]

but when it fails, it's a ***** to fix. but, isn't this thread about most powerful 1.6l i4's? I'd say that Honda civic Type R's 183bhp one is a good choice..

 

[Driftster]

SR16VE N1 made 200 ish

B16B made 185 ish

 

[Kearnjac]

Sorry but I don't think the 210 hp JCW engine is 1.6 L. I'm pretty sure its a 2.0 L and the best 1.6 L they have is 163 bhp. So it would be out of the line up.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Sorry but I don't think the 210 hp JCW engine is 1.6 L. I'm pretty sure its a 2.0 L and the best 1.6 L they have is 163 bhp. So it would be out of the line up.

You... just revived a fourteen year old thread, my dude.

 

[Famine]

Sorry but I don't think the 210 hp JCW engine is 1.6 L. I'm pretty sure its a 2.0 L and the best 1.6 L they have is 163 bhp. So it would be out of the line up.

Back in 2006 it was a 1.6.