Motorsport Conspiracies

[Peter.]

They know Jolyon Palmer, which is probably why they push him so much. I have never known a driver who qualified eighteenth on regular basis to get the first interviews and more air time than the guy on pole.

Might have to do with the fact that the British presence on the grid is dwindling. Once Button is gone, which can be anytime in the next 2 years, assuming Palmer is also gone, Hamilton will be the only Brit on the grid.

 

[twitcher]

Might have to do with the fact that the British presence on the grid is dwindling. Once Button is gone, which can be anytime in the next 2 years, assuming Palmer is also gone, Hamilton will be the only Brit on the grid.

Alex Lynn plans on driving for Williams in 2017 or 2018

 

[A2K78]

...any more to say...?

This say this all:

 

[TenEightyOne]

This say this all:

I'm sure you know what "conspiracy" means. Rather than any relevant info you've shown a painting of the incident where Rossi showed Biaggi the international-number-one-symbol. Over to you for enlightenment on the conspiracy aspect...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm sure you know what "conspiracy" means. Rather than any relevant info you've shown a painting of the incident where Rossi showed Biaggi the international-number-one-symbol. Over to you for enlightenment on the conspiracy aspect...

They're Italian. Everything's a conspiracy when you're Italian.

Don't believe me? In the 1980s, there were a series of murders in the area around Florence. They were carried out by a person or persons known as "the Monster of Florence", and have never been solved. In the 2000s, Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi - an American novelist and an Italian crime reporter - decided to investigate. They came to the conclusion that the original murders were carried out by a family of Sardinian immigrants with a score to settle before the murder weapon fell into the hands of the local mafia. However, when they went to the prosecutor overseeing the case, he refused to believe them (and even had Preston deported and Spezi locked up) because he was convinced that the murders were committed to cover up satanic rituals being carried out by a sect of Freemasonry called P2 which had ties to the Italian political, social and criminal elite and were planning to stage a series of terror attacks across Italy because they were still secretly carrying out the work of Operation Gladio, the clandestine NATO stay-behind force that was created to stop socialism and communism taking hold in Italy.

 

[DK]

They're Italian. Everything's a conspiracy when you're Italian.

Don't believe me? In the 1980s, there were a series of murders in the area around Florence. They were carried out by a person or persons known as "the Monster of Florence", and have never been solved. In the 2000s, Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi - an American novelist and an Italian crime reporter - decided to investigate. They came to the conclusion that the original murders were carried out by a family of Sardinian immigrants with a score to settle before the murder weapon fell into the hands of the local mafia. However, when they went to the prosecutor overseeing the case, he refused to believe them (and even had Preston deported and Spezi locked up) because he was convinced that the murders were committed to cover up satanic rituals being carried out by a sect of Freemasonry called P2 which had ties to the Italian political, social and criminal elite and were planning to stage a series of terror attacks across Italy because they were still secretly carrying out the work of Operation Gladio, the clandestine NATO stay-behind force that was created to stop socialism and communism taking hold in Italy.

Meh. Not enough Ferrari involvement for my liking.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Meh. Not enough Ferrari involvement for my liking.

So what do you think the mafiosi were driving? Eh? Eh?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meh. Not enough Ferrari involvement for my liking.

Who needs Ferrari when you have Italian special forces carrying out a daring midnight raid on a satantic cult, only to discover that it's actually a Halloween party at a retirement village?

 

[Dustone]

What about the RedBull flexi-wing? Was that ever solved and put down to clever engineering??

 

[Drave]

I don't see why not.

F1 racing is not a sport... it is a corporate/business vehicle.

A vehicle in terms of brand recognition for the teams and hosting regions, a vehicle in terms of making money for a great many people.

Ultimately all any of the teams care about is:

* Brand recognition/manufacturers title
* Sponsor support


The fact that Mercedes brings a title to a driver is immaterial to Mercedes, Mercedes want the manufacturers title and brand recognition... if a world champion driver gives them that, then that is what Mercedes will support.

However in the corporate world and F1 is very much in that sphere, people as individuals count for nothing, their achievements today are noted but forgotten by tomorrow.

But what Mercedes nor anyone else will ever do is make their product look poor quality just to get a driver a win in some form.

I know people like a conspiracy theory and myself I believe that the very term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by most likely the American government to hide a great deal of what they do behind a curtain of ridicule

But F1 is business... no room for conspiracies, only for the mission statement.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But F1 is business... no room for conspiracies, only for the mission statement.

Sure?

 

[Scaff]

Sure?

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Don't forget this one either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formula_One_espionage_controversy

 

[_Springy_]

But what Mercedes nor anyone else will ever do is make their product look poor quality just to get a driver a win in some form.

Exactly what I've been trying to explain to Hamilton's militants (which is the minority of his fan base, to be fair), albeit to no avail, in most cases. Logic doesn't seem to interest them!

 

[Liquid]

What about the RedBull flexi-wing? Was that ever solved and put down to clever engineering??

The Ferrari 310B of 1997 had a flexible wing too, late in the season. I don't recall there being a massive uproar about it, more mild frustration from other teams who didn't come up with it too.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

What about the RedBull flexi-wing? Was that ever solved and put down to clever engineering??

Engineering. It was designed to only flex when a certain amount of load was applied - more than 100kg, the maximum that the FIA applied during scrutineering.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Couldn't help but notice that Haas F1 uses exactly the same colours as Toyota GAZOO Racing.

COINCIDENCE!?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Couldn't help but notice that Haas F1 uses exactly the same colours as Toyota GAZOO Racing.

COINCIDENCE!?

So does this clio

And this Leon

And this MG

Maybe they are all in on it

 

[Furinkazen]

Couldn't help but notice that Haas F1 uses exactly the same colours as Toyota GAZOO Racing.

COINCIDENCE!?

So does this clio

And this Leon

And this MG

Maybe they are all in on it

Damn it...

 

[True-blue-8]

2016 Spanish Grand Prix.

Who would Red Bull rather win their first race? Max or Daniel?

Simple, bring Daniel in

 

[Furinkazen]

2016 Spanish Grand Prix.

Who would Red Bull rather win their first race? Max or Daniel?

Simple, bring Daniel in

I actually believe this as well.

 

[True-blue-8]

I actually believe this as well.

Daniel was fuming, and Red Bull have been known to play favourites.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Daniel was fuming, and Red Bull have been known to play favourites.

Ricciardo and Vettel were racing each other, both teams elected to 3-stop those drivers. Either the 2-stop or the 3-stop would have yielded a fight for the win... with hindsight we know which.

 

[True-blue-8]

Ricciardo and Vettel were racing each other, both teams elected to 3-stop those drivers. Either the 2-stop or the 3-stop would have yielded a fight for the win... with hindsight we know which.

Seb reacted to what Ricciardo was doing. I don't think RBR saw much difference, but they wanted to give Max track position in my opinion

 

[Liquid]

Ricciardo and Vettel were racing each other, both teams elected to 3-stop those drivers. Either the 2-stop or the 3-stop would have yielded a fight for the win... with hindsight we know which.

Exactly.

The fact that both two-stoppers finished ahead of the three-stoppers would mean that Ferrari had to sabotage Vettel's race in favour of Räikkönen.

No conspiracy, just a split strategy.

 

[DK]

I suppose the conspiracy theory of RBR giving Max the better strategy would make sense in a weird sort of way, when you think that with the new FIA Super Licence rules, Max's youngest winner record could stand for decades if not centuries.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Also, Paul Hembrey said that a three-stop strategy was faster than a two-stop. All four drivers started on three stops before Verstappen and Räikkönen were moved onto a two-stop. Had Ricciardo cleared Vettel, he would have been on top of Verstappen and Räikkönen within a handful of laps.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Also, Paul Hembrey said that a three-stop strategy was faster than a two-stop. All four drivers started on three stops before Verstappen and Räikkönen were moved onto a two-stop. Had Ricciardo cleared Vettel, he would have been on top of Verstappen and Räikkönen within a handful of laps.

And then max would have still beat him when he got the puncture.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Might have to do with the fact that the British presence on the grid is dwindling. Once Button is gone, which can be anytime in the next 2 years, assuming Palmer is also gone, Hamilton will be the only Brit on the grid.

Well boo hoo, Britain. Despite what you may think, Formula One - in fact motorsport as a whole - doesn't owe you a thing. There are no Italian drivers on the grid, which once upon a time would have been unthinkable, and yet the championship is stronger than ever.

 

[jake2013guy]

Has the Spain incident been discussed then? No grounds for conspiracy. Just thought we might have some fun deluded Hamilton fans here. (I am a Hamilton fan myself but not a deluded one.)

 

[Liquid]

Has the Spain incident been discussed then? No grounds for conspiracy. Just thought we might have some fun deluded Hamilton fans here. (I am a Hamilton fan myself but not a deluded one.)

Go check out the race thread.