MPAA Caught committing piracy!!

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Have moved this to the Current Events (News) forum (previously in the Opinions forum)
 
lol damn thats hilarious, I wonder what the consequences will be..... if there are any. They'll probably wriggle out of it.
 
I doubt they'll get into any trouble. Now if you or I were caught doing that and used the same excuse, we'd get lamped with a huge fine.
 
So, let me get this straight. I can copy a movie as long as I keep it in my house and don't give it to anyone?

So, backup copies are okay and any copyright software is actually trying to prevent me from protecting my belongings? :dopey:



Now, if they needed this for legal proceedings why did they need the whole movie and not just clips of the selected scenes?
 
Yeah, it's perfectly legal to copy a DVD or CD that you've gone out and paid for, as long as you never use more than one copy (including the original) at the same time and you don't distribute any of the copied versions. But for personal use, it's perfectly legal.

And apparently it's perfectly legal to download an MP3 from a p2p source like Kazaa or Limewire, and it's legal to have it on your computer as long as you never listen to it more than once. As soon as you start playing it a second time, you've broken the law. Listening to it once is considered sampling, apparently.
 
Anderton Prime
Hypocrisy is all around us, people. You are being wooed to sleep by your respective "governments." You are slaves and don't realize it.
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Agree with this 100% Yet whenever I try and tell them they just flame or think im a some anti government person.
 
live4speed
And apparently it's perfectly legal to download an MP3 from a p2p source like Kazaa or Limewire, and it's legal to have it on your computer as long as you never listen to it more than once. As soon as you start playing it a second time, you've broken the law. Listening to it once is considered sampling, apparently.
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Yeah Ive heard about this before. What I now dont understand is how the phonic or whatver theyre called can still sue people.
 
FoolKiller
So, let me get this straight. I can copy a movie as long as I keep it in my house and don't give it to anyone?

So, backup copies are okay and any copyright software is actually trying to prevent me from protecting my belongings? :dopey:

Now, if they needed this for legal proceedings why did they need the whole movie and not just clips of the selected scenes?
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live4speed
Yeah, it's perfectly legal to copy a DVD or CD that you've gone out and paid for, as long as you never use more than one copy (including the original) at the same time and you don't distribute any of the copied versions. But for personal use, it's perfectly legal.

And apparently it's perfectly legal to download an MP3 from a p2p source like Kazaa or Limewire, and it's legal to have it on your computer as long as you never listen to it more than once. As soon as you start playing it a second time, you've broken the law. Listening to it once is considered sampling, apparently.
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:odd: and where did you guys hear that from? Sources?

As I remember from my friend that's a movie buff. (collects everything dealing with movies, dvd, players, posters) Making a copy of a DVD even if it's for back up it illegal because when you "rip" the DVD it will have it's own unique marks because of the Coding/decoding process. You do not have rights to this.

Now from there stand point that makes sense... one copy for every person. The problem just like music is not every one person will buy one nor carry around a DVD. Take for instance my position. I have an iPod Video, I obviously can't play a DVD so I how do I watch the movie I own!? I have to make a copy of my DVD that I own. I don't see how that's illegal yet they view it as. I say ok so why are all these personal video players thriving and not getting lawsuits up the ass?? :dopey: hypocrites. It's called $ and it goes both ways.
 
Because over here at least, that's the law. I can make a million copies of any DVD in my collection and it's perfectly legal. You probably wouldn't get waway with that because theres no logical way to explain why you'd need so many copies for personal use. But I'm allowed to copy one of my DVD's and use the copy as long as I never have both running at the same time, or if I sell the original, I'd have to destroy the copy. It would be illegal for me to lend, sell or give away the copy. However it would not be illegal for someone to borrow, buy or accept the copy from me.
 
No, it's perfectly legal to purchase or aquire a copied movie or music cd, it's only illegal to distribute them, go figure.
 
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ok, the text from you I quoted is Fing hilarious then!
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VIPFREAK
:odd: and where did you guys hear that from? Sources?
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See, mine had question marks and a :dopey: smiley. This is because I was asking questions based on the MPAA's logic in the article. My source was the article itself as I was referring to it.

As I remember from my friend that's a movie buff.
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Legal expert too?

EDIT: This only applies to the US.

According to the RIAA you can make personal backup copies. Or so Sony says which is how they got into trouble with the malicious software from their CDs, because when you put the CD into your PC it covertly installed software that ensured you only made a limited number of copies of the CD and then prevented any further copying. This software got Sony in all kinds of trouble because it opened your PC to hackers.
For more on this see here:
Washington Post

Now, according to my Telecommunications Policy and Regulation textbook from college (six years old, may have changed) copying a DVD is illegal because they have encryption software and it is illegal to attempt to break/circumvent any security encryption. It has nothing to do with the rights to the coding but the illegal action of breaking/circumventing the encryption. This law allows anyone to legally protect anything digital as long as it in encrypted. However, it does not apply to legal investigations with a warrant.

By this definition the MPAA has broken a law unless the copy they received from the filmmakers was not copyright encrypted. Then in that case I can only assume that they are going by the RIAA copyright definition.

As for your video iPod if they allowed Apple to make iTunes software to place your DVD on your iPod then that would be a legal act of decrypting and reencrypting since the encryption creator allowed them the ability to decrypt the security software.
 
FoolKiller
As for your video iPod if they allowed Apple to make iTunes software to place your DVD on your iPod then that would be a legal act of decrypting and reencrypting since the encryption creator allowed them the ability to decrypt the security software.
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But they didn't.
 
It's legal here to put a movie onto your i-pod, the same as copying a disk. I don't know about the laws in the state's though. Also, just because a company legally sells decryption software, it doesn't mean you can legaly decrypt anything that software will allow you to.
 
That's another thing I don't understand, if they have the software online and it's blatentely for illegal purposes why is it still up?
 
VIPFREAK
That's another thing I don't understand, if they have the software online and it's blatentely for illegal purposes why is it still up?
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Because technically it can be used for legal reasons, things like CD burner's can e used purely to backup your own cd's, the fact that more often than not, they're used at some point for illegal purposes is in their eye's, irrelevant.
 
VIPFREAK
But they didn't.
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Because, like you said, it is all about the money. They don't want you to have any form of digital copy of their movie, but if they decide you can they want you to pay for it.

live4speed
Also, just because a company legally sells decryption software, it doesn't mean you can legaly decrypt anything that software will allow you to.
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Hence why I used the word "allowed."
 
I didn't meant to indicate there was anything wrong with you comment, just puting in a little bit extra.

Legally purcahsing decryption software does mean you can legaly decypt types of software that was designed to decrypt. Just like you said, it doesn't mean everything around with that encryption can be legally decrypted though which is just the point I wanted to make.
 
FoolKiller
Because, like you said, it is all about the money. They don't want you to have any form of digital copy of their movie, but if they decide you can they want you to pay for it.
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Well, no... when I said money I ment... it's like the the relationship between the gas companies(products/programs) and the government(MPAA). They need each other yet they can/will shoot themselves in the foot.
 
VIPFREAK
Well, no... when I said money I ment... it's like the the relationship between the gas companies(products/programs) and the government(MPAA). They need each other yet they can/will shoot themselves in the foot.
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Well, the products don't need the MPAA because they are doing just fine with selling TV shows.

The MPAA and the RIAA both need to embrace digital technology instead of acting like it doesn't make them any money. The RIAA stands around and complains about declining CD sales. I would love to see the comparison of CD decline to legal MP3 increase.
 
Yeah, like drugs... illegal activity will never go away but if they cater to the customer more and not $$ then maybe they'd be doing better.
 
Wow this thread took off after it was moved. Thanks tm.

The funny part is that they pirated in an attempt to cover their ass over what the movie would feature. Now they have to cover their ass over thier attempt to cover their ass.


In terms of piracy I think it will only be significantly reduced when two things occur.

1)Much more competitive pricing. I don't want to pirate but when a movie I may only watch once will cost me 20 bucks and is not available for rental any where near me that is pretty much my only choice. Make pricing lower, heck sell different length licenses. $1 to watch one two hour movie within the next few hours. More expensive for longer and permanent purchases. (though a system like this would be highly opposed by rental stores). Distribution companies will complain that they will lose money but I believe they will gain alot of customers, enough to make up.

2)Complete online availability through pay services. This would tie in with the first point. You can find almost any movie online in piracy channels, even foreign ones never released here. It would be nice to see some competition but you have to admit a central place like itunes works well. I'd think movie theaters would love this as they don't have to pay to get disks pressed and shipped they just need some hefty servers. I even read an article about the creator of bit torrent meeting with some industry executives about using his system.

Thats only addressing movies but piracy in any medium is a display of inflated prices and specifically in the internet a belief of anonymity which I have trouble thinking of any good ways of adressing.

Well that was unusually long winded.
 
FoolKiller
Well, the products don't need the MPAA because they are doing just fine with selling TV shows.

The MPAA and the RIAA both need to embrace digital technology instead of acting like it doesn't make them any money. The RIAA stands around and complains about declining CD sales. I would love to see the comparison of CD decline to legal MP3 increase.
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Actually, CD sales are declining because they're not what the customer wants. They're low on content (1 hour or so) and just too high on price (cost of manufacture + 2000++ percent profit? hell no.)

That's why small labels and indie artists around here are finally starting to sell CD's at what they're really worth... about 3-4 dollars retail.
 

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