MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86

[HortusIX]

I'm interested in the Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86

any colour, any amount of mileage... this is an old fave of mine i came across in a b-spec race recently. i'd like to add it to my garage.

check my personal garage (below) to see if there's anything you like.

 

[big_davey_b]

I believe i picked one of these up from the UCD the other day. If it's the right one, would you be willing to trade it for your Alpine 310? I'm able to trade at the next reset.

 

[Wookie963]

Want to trade the Mr2 for an FGT? =P

 

[HortusIX]

i would be interested, sure.

as long as it's the '86 g-limited supercharger version though...then the alpine 310 is yours.

if you've got the '86 g-limited version i might still be interested...so just let me know... you got an online garage i could take a look at in the meantime?

 

[big_davey_b]

I've just checked and it is the right car. If you're happy to go ahead, i'll pop you a friend request and we can get this done after tonights reset. Incidentally. I also collect paints. If you would rather, i would consider swapping a couple of matte or colour shift paints for it if you have any i don't have?

 

[HortusIX]

ok mr. well, i doubt i have any mattes that you don't have as the ones i have are the ones that come as gifts when you reach certain cars-in-garage levels (white, grey, blue) and i don't have a huge amount of cars so it's unlikely you don't have already those ones.
i got a few colour shift paints but it'll slow things up in terms of trading... i don't mind though as i won't be using the paints. how many would make you part with mr2?
i'll post a list up later when i'm at my ps3.

 

[HortusIX]

also, what is the current minimum BHP level of your MR2?

 

[big_davey_b]

It's currently showing 137bhp. But i haven't even sat in it since i bought it. So a quick oil change and that will probably go up. Just to make you aware, it does have about 5500 miles on it. I'd let it go for a couple of colour shifts that i don't already have, but if you would find it easier, i'm happy just to do a car for car swap.

 

[Rado-Steve]

In case you want another one or deal dunt work out, I have one too, I'd trade you're Chrome Line M3 for it????

 

[big_davey_b]

Tricky. You can't trade Chrome Line cars. Only the unused codes. Unless you are prepared to take very risky steps.

 

[big_davey_b]

Trade completed successfully.

 

[HortusIX]

Trade completed successfully.

yup - successful, smooth trade.

many thanks

 

[chuyler1]

This is a fun car. I'm actually thinking about picking one up IRL to play around with. I just found it in the UCD so if you develop a good tune, please share. I've been looking at some of the other lightweight MR tunes on this board for starters but I haven't nailed it down yet (I'm not great at tuning anyway).

 

[GT5Pro]

wish i found this earlier! I just picked this car up I was going to send it your way for free! Granted it would take two days, but i'm still loving my SW20 so I'd be happy to part with it especially to someone who would enjoy it and not just collect it

 

[HortusIX]

This is a fun car. I'm actually thinking about picking one up IRL to play around with. I just found it in the UCD so if you develop a good tune, please share. I've been looking at some of the other lightweight MR tunes on this board for starters but I haven't nailed it down yet (I'm not great at tuning anyway).

i'll try to post a decent tune on here once i've played around with it for a little bit. i tend to have a basic set-up which i give to all my cars and then tweak from there.
stay tuned (excuse pun)

wish i found this earlier! I just picked this car up I was going to send it your way for free! Granted it would take two days, but i'm still loving my SW20 so I'd be happy to part with it especially to someone who would enjoy it and not just collect it

thanks mr. i appreciate the thought. it's a car i've liked since seeing it appear on an episode of wheeler dealers many years ago. when i saw it on the gt5 car list i made a note to get one. competing against it in a recent b-spec race (which, oddly, also featured none other than S. Vettel) reminded me to go find it.

i've done my basic tune and it seems fine so far. i tested on the top gear track and managed a 1:15.xxx but i think i could get it down to a 1:13.xxx at a push. i still have to do the level 3 engine tune and i have reduced the weight to 1005kg with just the level 1 reduction as i want to keep it for some online races that set limits to 1000kg so there is scope for an even faster time for those who will give it the full works.
by comparison, my GSX concept goes round in a mid 1:05.
hopefully when i get a wheel the times might come down a tad more too.

what time can you get around the top gear track (or any other track) chuyler1?

 

[GT5Pro]

I'm not to sure I am pushing 305bhp in my SW20, and it's probably about 1150kg or so, I usually like to keep some weight in my MR vehicles. Idk if it's me or my tuning but I get very tail happy, and weight helps me keep everything in line. I'll give the track a shot and get back to you with some times

 

[HortusIX]

I'm not to sure I am pushing 305bhp in my SW20, and it's probably about 1150kg or so, I usually like to keep some weight in my MR vehicles. Idk if it's me or my tuning but I get very tail happy, and weight helps me keep everything in line. I'll give the track a shot and get back to you with some times

i'm having the same problem with my 1600. earlier i got a 1:13.6xx on the top gear track but i know if i add a rear wing it will stabilise the back of the car and help it from stepping out.

how have you done?

 

[chuyler1]

I really don't have a lot of laps on the TG track. I will spend some time this weekend on it and report back. However I reduced the weight of mine to 910kg and it has 298hp.

 

[chuyler1]

Since I suck at tuning I tried this Lotus tune for the LSD and suspension. Roughly the same weight car so it was worth a shot
http://www.gt5-tuning.com/index.php?title=Lotus_Elise_111R_'04
I messed with the brake balance too and had it set to 7/3 or 6/4 most of the time. I know others like to shift the balance to the rear on MR cars but I find rear bias just causes the outside rear tire to overheat when trail braking...so that's why I stick with front bias.

As I mentioned before I have the weight down to 910kg and the power at 298hp. I did not add a spoiler since I like the look of the stock one. I put on racing soft tires and ran laps for about an hour to get familiar with the track and setup. By the end I was running low 1:13s and my best time was a 1:12.6xx. I think a better driver could get a 1:12 flat or even a 1:11 with this setup. You should definitely give that tune a try because it makes it much more manageable through turn 1.

 

[chuyler1]

Ok, so I raced online all night with a varied group of racers. Some had MR2s (MK1s MK2s and MK3s), a few Loti, a Miata, and a heavily modded civic. The power restrictions varied from 200-300HP throughout the evening but the weight restriction was around 750kg so some of the Loti had the weight advantage over me. My MK1 behaved very well on the track. It was quick off the line (faster than the lighter Lotus) and predictable in the corners. I won a few races on the tracks I was familiar with but it requires smooth driving and consistency to get around other cars on the track. I had a few clean passes but most of the time I got around people when they made minor mistakes. At no point was the car fighting my driving style though. Here is the tune I settled on:

Power
200-299HP (add/remove bolt-ons to maximize lobby restriction)

Weight
910kg

Intended Driving Options
ABS: 1
Everything else: OFF

Tires
Racing Soft

Downforce
None. I did not install a wing.

Transmission
Top Speed 120-147 (depended on track and hp restrictions)

Differential
Initial: 0/20
Accel: 0/40
Braking: 0/7

Suspension
Ride Height: -25/-25
Spring Rate: 6.5/10.0
Extension: 7/8
Compression: 6/5
Anti-Roll: 3/3
Camber: 1.3/1.5
Toe: –0.10/-0.15

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 6/4 ***

*** I tried 4/6 and 5/6 but the tail got very loose during high speed trail braking like turn 1 of Suzaka or the final turn of Tsukuba. Changing this to 6/4 on the fly with my DFGT made a big difference instantly. It reduced the oversteer and made the car more predictible at turn in.

Overall this is a very fun car to drive. It gets lots of funny comments on the track. One Lotus driver was trying to pass me on Tsukuba and couldn't get around. "Look at that MR go! You must be really working those gears!" He was about 1-2 seconds quicker on that track but couldn't get around me.

 

[HortusIX]

Ok, so I raced online all night with a varied group of racers. Some had MR2s (MK1s MK2s and MK3s), a few Loti, a Miata, and a heavily modded civic. The power restrictions varied from 200-300HP throughout the evening but the weight restriction was around 750kg so some of the Loti had the weight advantage over me. My MK1 behaved very well on the track. It was quick off the line (faster than the lighter Lotus) and predictable in the corners. I won a few races on the tracks I was familiar with but it requires smooth driving and consistency to get around other cars on the track. I had a few clean passes but most of the time I got around people when they made minor mistakes. At no point was the car fighting my driving style though. Here is the tune I settled on:

Power
200-299HP (add/remove bolt-ons to maximize lobby restriction)

Weight
910kg

Intended Driving Options
ABS: 1
Everything else: OFF

Tires
Racing Soft

Downforce
None. I did not install a wing.

Transmission
Top Speed 120-147 (depended on track and hp restrictions)

Differential
Initial: 0/20
Accel: 0/40
Braking: 0/7

Suspension
Ride Height: -25/-25
Spring Rate: 6.5/10.0
Extension: 7/8
Compression: 6/5
Anti-Roll: 3/3
Camber: 1.3/1.5
Toe: –0.10/-0.15

Brake Balance Controller
Brake Balance: 6/4 ***

*** I tried 4/6 and 5/6 but the tail got very loose during high speed trail braking like turn 1 of Suzaka or the final turn of Tsukuba. Changing this to 6/4 on the fly with my DFGT made a big difference instantly. It reduced the oversteer and made the car more predictible at turn in.

Overall this is a very fun car to drive. It gets lots of funny comments on the track. One Lotus driver was trying to pass me on Tsukuba and couldn't get around. "Look at that MR go! You must be really working those gears!" He was about 1-2 seconds quicker on that track but couldn't get around me.

firstly, LOL at your use of 'Loti' instead of Lotuses... it reminded me of a scene from Alan Partridge

secondly, i will try your tune when i get back from college today. i've been neglecting my MR2 since i did the initial time around the TG track and was using very different settings to those you have posted so it will be interesting to see what effect these have on the car bearing in mind i am using a pad.

i will post times up around TG and Tsukuba as these tracks yield more laps/hour.

 

[chuyler1]

According to most dictionaries can actually be pronounced either way...I'm not up on what the car-speak standard is. I'll say Lotuses if that'll please everyone

I'll be curious about your Tsukuba times. I am much more familiar with that track than Top Gear and can run more consistent lap times without feeling I left time on the track.

 

[chuyler1]

I managed a 0:57.766 after about 10 laps. I could've probably shaved more time off but that's pretty respectable considering. Transmission was set at 130mph.

 

[chuyler1]

So umm, my tune. yeah. It is complete rubbish with anything but racing soft tires. I joined a room yesterday where the lobby leader had racing medium tires as the restriction. I could barely keep the car on the track. I ended up resorting to the sport suspension because nothing I did to the fully tuned suspension could keep the tires on the ground. I suppose a -25 drop just isn't ideal for anything but racing soft tires.

I also did some runs on Nordschleife and Trial Mountain. Even with the sport soft tires my tune is a bit aggressive for these tracks as well. For an all-around car, the suspension will have to be raised and retuned. But in the mean time, I still think it is superb for Tsukuba because I can't get anywhere close to the times above with the sport suspension.

 

[chuyler1]

Here's my new tune. Not quite as fast but handles much more stable on sport soft tires and is still great with racing soft.

Differential: 20/55/30
Height: -25 / -24
Spring Rate: 5.6 / 6.4
Dampers Extension: 2 / 3
Dampers Compression: 1 / 2
Roll bars: 4 / 2
Camber: 1.3 / 1.8
Toe: -0.12 / 0.20

Raced online all night with this setup. It's not a sure winner but it goes where I want it. It could prolly use a little overtseer mid-corner but I think I'm happy with it.

 

[GT5Pro]

I haven't tried your tune yet, everything looks pretty good I'm just a little curious at your ride height vs spring rate thing you got going on. You ever try those exact tuning numbers with the ride height at -10, -9? I'm not trying to bash or anything I just suspect it may help you a little bit if you're getting a lot of understeer on Sports Soft. oh and it's worth noting what I said about the ride height only holds true if we're both talking about Sports Soft.

 

[GT5Pro]

and that lap time you turned, in the :57s, that had to be on Racing Soft right?

 

[chuyler1]

yeah, lap time was on racing soft and I dropped a few 1/10ths off it with the new setup.

Spring rates were way to high on my first setup, made the car very slick on rough courses. I bettered my time with the softer settings in post #25 and it still handled OK with sport soft tires. There is some residual bounciness coming out of turn 1 of Tsukuba so the damper settings might need to be bumped up...but the soft settings seem to keep the car in check when you put a wheel on the curbing or in the dirt.

I think you're right about ride height on sport soft. It could be raised a little. One other key item with sport soft is brake balance. Anything above a 3 on the rear will cause you to lock up the outside rear tire. With racing soft you can get away with 4. I've been running 7/3 lately. I don't know how those lotus tunes work with such high rear brake bias. Maybe its because the Lotus has 40/60 weight distribution and the MR2 is 45/55.

Anyway, try my setup, and share what you got and I'll try yours.

 

[HortusIX]

i've found that using some ballast to balance the car works really well both in the MR2 and the Elise 111R (it's probably the case for all MR carslike the NSX, MR-S etc)e

in the MR2 the last ballast setting i tested was 50kg at -30... this worked ok but i'm gonna be trying 70kg at -40 and 50kg at -50 to see if i can really stabilise it as it's still a bit too tail happy for my liking, very excitable.
there is definitely a noticeable difference once you've added the ballast, especially if you've done the right thing by moving it toward the front of the vehicle to compensate for the mid-mounted engine.

on the elise, i came across the wonders of ballast by accident as i had to bring the car down a few PP in an online race recently. i've started out with 120kg at -30 which really helps in the medium speed, high camber turns which require a quick change in direction and during which the rear end of my elise usually wants to pop round to say hello (there are a few of these types of turns in the deep forest).
it could do with a little more stability though and so i might move the ballast just forward a bit to between -35 to -40 and see what this does.
in my 298bhp 879kg (as a result of the ballast) Elise i was easily able to keep most of the touring cars in the race behind me. this was the case for all of the races until the host upped the PP limit to 650...just a bit too much to cope with as i didn't want to take off the ballast which had worked so well up to that point.
i guess it would be even nicer to handle on my RM version, but i haven't gotten round to playing with the ballast on this one yet

@chuyler: i haven't forgotten to do some laps around tsukuba and top gear with your tune. just been distracted by some upcoming championship events and the like.
i'm on half term this week so it's more than likely i'll post the results up in the coming days.

EDIT: i've just realised, now that the engine power limiter and ballast options are available, i can go ahead and max out my MR2 so that the times i post are a better reflection on the tune as i know you have applied all the mods except the rear wing, speaking of which, i might add one to mine just to see the difference in handling before and after... it can be restored to the (better looking) original one at the gt auto shop anyway.
maybe you could do the same and see what differences in lap times you are getting... i'm guessing you'll chop off another second with the amount of added stability and grip the rear wing will give you...

 

[chuyler1]

Hortus, keep in mind that the MR2 has 45/55 weight distribution while the Elise is 40/60 (according to google search). However 30% forward from the one or two races I ran with 90kg worked pretty well. I had to get the car up to 1000kg and the added weight really anchored the car to the ground.

As for the wing, I caved in and installed it. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Instantly the car was anchored to the track. I went and dialed back the toe and camber since it wasn't needed anymore.

When running racing soft tires, I can generally keep up with 500pp touring cars with this tune. I add/remove bolt-ons as needed and the car has enough grip to power through just about any turn. The only place where I have found the rear end to still be slick is the last turn of high speed ring. It gets a little light and I have spun out a few times while coasting around it. When it comes to 550-575pp races, I'm not sure the little MR2 has enough hp to keep up on any course with long straights.

When it comes to sport soft tires, my tune still needs a lot of work. I think sport soft tires reveal more issues than racing soft. The online races I ran on sport soft last night had me running in the back of the pack. The loop at Cape Ring Perifery causes the outside rear tire to overheat...when that tire overheats the car oversteers uncontrollably. The suspension couldn't handle the curbs at cape ring either.

Anyway, this has turned into a tuning discussion so let's track our progress in the tuning thread I created. At the top you'll see some new settings I have been running. However, last night in an effort to run sport soft tires I raised the ride height from -25 to -10 and adjusted the springs accordingly. Still needs work though.

Click here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=183656