Multiple-stabbing at Franklin Regional High School - 9th April 2014

[JMR450]

The point of my post was that senseless violence like this knife attack is rampant in the US, and I was disagreeing that punishment would deter similar crimes because the US has a number of sociological issues that as a country they are no better managing than some third world countries. For the sake of this (now an argument and flame war) the criminal could have used a knife, gun, axe, shears, box cutter, bomb, whatever, it could be anything weaponized. It was to be a discussion on senseless violence and that the way to prevent it is not punishment as @Zenith had stated.

I was asked how to control the access of weapons so I said they could be regulated, you know, swords, bayonets, huge daggers. I had not assumed it was a kitchen knife but as I say it is not the sole focus of this discussion.

My post was a response to a poorly used broad statement (which has now been retracted ) and the writer has turned the words I used into a completely different tangent. As happens here all the time @BobK, @Imari @Custom878 and @LMSCorvetteGT2 piled on to belittle me and make themselves feel important.

I think it is important to understand why senseless violence happens, the causal factors and how to solve the problems. Obviously this was the wrong thread to say anything about it.

 

[Zenith]

@JMR450 Ahem...

My point was more in regards to the American media's coverage of these kinds of crimes. They are undoubtedly jumping all over this story and giving the criminal the 15 minutes of fame he desired. Anyone who is familiar with American Television news knows what I'm talking about. For the record, I do not believe that punishment alone is an effective deterrent, but that's not what I was discussing. The media circus is practically encouragement for the malicious to perform these acts.

 

[BobK]

As happens here all the time @BobK, @Imari @Custom878 and @LMSCorvetteGT2 piled on to belittle me and make themselves feel important.

And now you've descended to the level of personal attacks. Well played.

 

[JMR450]

@JMR450 Ahem...

Sure @Zenith, your original post did not reflect that. It doesn't matter, you're right I'm wrong, it's ok.

And now you've descended to the level of personal attacks. Well played.

Whatever Bob, you are culpable and I have pointed it out. Another insult is the only tactic you have.

 

[Pupik]

The point of my post was that senseless violence like this knife attack is rampant in the US, and I was disagreeing that punishment would deter similar crimes because the US has a number of sociological issues that as a country they are no better managing than some third world countries.
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I think it is important to understand why senseless violence happens, the causal factors and how to solve the problems. Obviously this was the wrong thread to say anything about it.

With all due respect, you haven't listed one reason why the US has sociological issues, or pointed out which ones are troublesome or disruptive. Even an argument such as "There's too much violence in media" would a generic example, albeit a weak and trite one. And what do you propose to do about making such changes? What do you suggest?

But you've managed to marginalize everyone else's arguments, so that's a start.

I don't think anyone else here is trying to make themselves "feel important" - no more than we'd all personally feel some bit of import, by attempting discussion in one of many internet discussion forums.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The point of my post was that senseless violence like this knife attack is rampant in the US, and I was disagreeing that punishment would deter similar crimes because the US has a number of sociological issues that as a country they are no better managing than some third world countries. For the sake of this (now an argument and flame war) the criminal could have used a knife, gun, axe, shears, box cutter, bomb, whatever, it could be anything weaponized. It was to be a discussion on senseless violence and that the way to prevent it is not punishment as @Zenith had stated.

I was asked how to control the access of weapons so I said they could be regulated, you know, swords, bayonets, huge daggers. I had not assumed it was a kitchen knife but as I say it is not the sole focus of this discussion.

My post was a response to a poorly used broad statement (which has now been retracted ) and the writer has turned the words I used into a completely different tangent. As happens here all the time @BobK, @Imari @Custom878 and @LMSCorvetteGT2 piled on to belittle me and make themselves feel important.

I think it is important to understand why senseless violence happens, the causal factors and how to solve the problems. Obviously this was the wrong thread to say anything about it.

I didn't do anything of the sort and for you to use some emotional knee jerk rhetoric is asinine. If you don't want a debate then why post on a forum? And I was being quite serious I could machine and create my own knife and gun, and realistically it'd be harder for me to forge and shape a knife than a gun. Unless you consider taking a steel bar and beveling it down to a sharp edge a knife...

 

[Johnny1996]

This is affecting my school too. At this point, I wish all who are wounded a quick recovery, and my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone directly and indirectly involved.

 

[Imari]

My post was a response to a poorly used broad statement (which has now been retracted ) and the writer has turned the words I used into a completely different tangent. As happens here all the time @BobK, @Imari @Custom878 and @LMSCorvetteGT2 piled on to belittle me and make themselves feel important.

You made a broad statement about restricting access to guns and knives when you went on your little rant about America.

While that may be a reasonable idea, it's completely obvious to most people that restricting knives is impossible, not to mention it's horrendously impractical to restrict access to what is a basic tool. People called you on that. I don't see why you're all pissy, you mooted an idea and it got shot down for being daft.

Get over it, move on and think about what you're saying a little more before you say it next time.

 

[JMR450]

With all due respect, you haven't listed one reason why the US has sociological issues, or pointed out which ones are troublesome or disruptive. Even an argument such as "There's too much violence in media" would a generic example, albeit a weak and trite one. And what do you propose to do about making such changes? What do you suggest?

But you've managed to marginalize everyone else's arguments, so that's a start.

I don't think anyone else here is trying to make themselves "feel important" - no more than we'd all personally feel some bit of import, by attempting discussion in one of many internet discussion forums.

This wasn't a discussion, it was belittling and juvenile. My points regarding causal factors were quite clear, read my original post. This isn't a forum, its a clique of self proclaimed genius's. Don't worry, I will move on and off your forum.

 

[BobK]

Whatever Bob, you are culpable and I have pointed it out. Another insult is the only tactic you have.

Culpable of what? I originally stated a fact. When you respond with attacks on people whose posts you didn't like, I pointed that out. I have not insulted you once in this thread and yet you accuse me of insulting you multiple times.

I will move on and off your forum.

If I were to say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out", would that be an insult?

 

[Imari]

If I were to say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out", would that be an insult?

I thought about saying it, but ended up deciding just to think it very loudly.

 

[ibnumgt1]

Great, another high school massacre. Now I'm scared to go to school now.

 

[buickgnx88]

Great, another high school massacre. Now I'm scared to go to school now.

Wrong word to use in this case.

Massacre: the violent killing of many people

 

[Zenith]

Great, another high school massacre. Now I'm scared to go to school now.

You're far more likely to be killed on the commute to school than by a madman in school. Are you even more afraid to get in a car?

 

[photonrider]

You're far more likely to be killed on the commute to school than by a madman in school. Are you even more afraid to get in a car?

Just to prove you right:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/11/us-usa-crash-california-idUSBREA3A07820140411

 

[Johnnypenso]

Great, another high school massacre. Now I'm scared to go to school now.

And probably 100 times more likely to die in an accident at home. Are you afraid to go home too?

 

[ibnumgt1]

Wrong word to use in this case.

Massacre: the violent killing of many people

Sorry about that.

You're far more likely to be killed on the commute to school than by a madman in school. Are you even more afraid to get in a car?

Not really, I usually check the car first for anything suspicious.

And probably 100 times more likely to die in an accident at home. Are you afraid to go home too?

No. My house is located in a guarded community.

 

[Johnnypenso]

No. My house is located in a guarded community.

I said accidents, not crimes. Guarded or gated communities don't prevent you from falling in the bathtub. Of course your community may come with bathtub monitors, but not likely.

 

[ibnumgt1]

I said accidents, not crimes. Guarded or gated communities don't prevent you from falling in the bathtub. Of course your community may come with bathtub monitors, but not likely.

I laughed when you say 'bathtub monitors'. (Not sarcasm)

 

[Dhalism]

unless you're willing to step on the first amendment i dont see how you can deal with that. Teenage angst will always be there and so will their desire to get attention and pity and they get both in spades.
There were goths, emos, people cutting themselves but the outliers will always elect the most extreme way.

 

[R.S]

Equip teachers with knives! NOW! And students too, they need knives to protect themselves, and kevlar. Don't forget the sandbags and pillboxes with machine guns outside the school!

Unfortunately your country seems to be in a spiral where teens are considering it more and more acceptable to bring extreme violence to school and onto their peers. It's almost like it's becoming part of the school life, like it's just "what you do" when you don't like school or your life. Sad.

 

[Imari]

Unfortunately your country seems to be in a spiral where teens are considering it more and more acceptable to bring extreme violence to school and onto their peers. It's almost like it's becoming part of the school life, like it's just "what you do" when you don't like school or your life. Sad.

Exactly. Normal, respectful people just kill themselves instead of trying to kill everyone else.

Perhaps if kids were taught it was not acceptable to be such raging assholes to each other (and it was actually enforced), the ones getting the short end of the stick wouldn't feel like the best option was extreme violence.

 

[photonrider]

Teenage angst will always be there and so will their desire to get attention and pity and they get both in spades.

Good attention, bad attention, no attention.. . . .

The symptoms get worse:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/five-dead-after-stabbing-at-calgary-house-party-1.1776541

Copy-cats, or not, the reality is the same: look at me, look at me.

 

[Zenith]

Not really, I usually check the car first for anything suspicious

That's useless. You're most likely to die in an auto accident caused by driver error, either the driver of your car or another driver. There's nothing you can do to "check" other drivers.

Are really this pants-wettingly paranoid or do you just not understand statistical probability?

 

[a6m5]

Good attention, bad attention, no attention.. . . .

The symptoms get worse:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/five-dead-after-stabbing-at-calgary-house-party-1.1776541

Copy-cats, or not, the reality is the same: look at me, look at me.

God, I feel horrible for the victims. This one almost got away, even.

 

[ibnumgt1]

That's useless. You're most likely to die in an auto accident caused by driver error, either the driver of your car or another driver. There's nothing you can do to "check" other drivers.

Are really this pants-wettingly paranoid or do you just not understand statistical probability?

None of both. I'm just being sarcastic. Now calm down please.

 

[a6m5]

None of both. I'm just being sarcastic. Now calm down please.

Don't waste his time, then tell him to calm down when he doesn't seemed to be excited at all. Come on, man. Not cool. *this is a lighthearted response - just in case the smiley isn't enough to get the point across!

 

[photonrider]

Just one disaster after another befalling students of the world:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...inking-off-south-korea-coast/article18035037/

Now, it would be wrong to say that the same potential for disaster exists in your kitchen as would while flying, or taking a ferry, or watching a movie.
All things being equal, one's bedroom should be safer than the school library which should be safer than taking a ferry which would be safer than crossing the Sahara on foot. There are degrees of safety we come to expect from different environments.
However - that all depends on reason.
When reason is thrown out, then it's no more safer being in class than being in your bathtub.

Soon after the stabbing spree at Franklin there was a stabbing in an office complex in Toronto, followed by another high-school stabbing (again in Toronto), followed by another multiple stabbing in Calgary.

Bad news travels fast . . . and in this day and age, at the speed of light. Which, maybe, isn't good news at all.

How many high-school students out there, having heard of the stabbings, now factor into their game-plans such a scenario when all seems lost?

 

[ibnumgt1]

Don't waste his time, then tell him to calm down when he doesn't seemed to be excited at all. Come on, man. Not cool. *this is a lighthearted response - just in case the smiley isn't enough to get the point across!

Okay.