MuRRe "The Undecisive" - DFGT thoughts

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MuRRe
Why?
It's half the fun... :D
Seriously though the DFGT is an ok wheel, but not more.
I can already feel that the pedals are holding me back.
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He he.

Your right IMHO. The pedals are what give you a greater advantage than the wheel.

Not sure how much better the T500 pedals are over a G27.
They are both Potentiometer based i think.

I can say that the G27 pedals are far superior to the DFGT.

Have you tried altering the brake pressure in GT5 tuning menu ( can you?).
If so, see if you can alter the pressure so that the full press of your pedal just about locks up your wheels.

Give it a try and see what happens, might be better for you.

Actually I can't remember if you sent the bloody wheel back now. Lol.

This thread has plenty of miles left in it I think.
 
Since you're concerned about the Fanatec wheel blowing away the T500rs I would think you'd be content to park on the DFGT til judgement day arrives for TM :scared:

Otherwise what will happen you might buy the T500RS and freakout when the new CSR Elite arrives and you'll be trying to return the wheel to Thrustmaster haha

Remember a wise man once said, "he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." LOL!!!

Seriously tho- park on that DFGT & just pony up for that CSR Elite its a slam dunk really. DFGT will hold its value. should resell easily right?
 
tribolik
Nicer? Maybe, though it is no as reliable ... and its not fully supported in GT5 ... and also suffers from the straight line swaying but its your call... let us know if the Fanatec works flawless from the box and I much time did it take for you to get your wheel...
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I own the carrera wheel and i dont have any straight line swaying. Only with the x1 have i had to put the deadzone in to get rid of it with that car.

\To murrae if its the pedals that bother you then fanatec standard ones are pretty much like the dfgt pedals. However you can always upgrade later to the CSP later if you want.
 
Funny thing is I normally advise that fanatec carrera over dfgt because it has an adjustable deadzone + clutch. It seems like a good deal for a ps3/pc only racer

I cant stand that wobble issue with DFGT in GT5 :crazy:
 
sandboxgod
Funny thing is I normally advise that fanatec carrera over dfgt because it has an adjustable deadzone + clutch. It seems like a good deal for a ps3/pc only racer

I cant stand that wobble issue with DFGT in GT5 :crazy:
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One of the advantages of GT5 tight center spring ffb is I can feel the slightest shift of weight when I'm braking especially with ABS off. The disadvantage it can cause swaying. When you add "dead zone" to your Fanatec wheel it adds input dead zone (like a controller analog stick has) and not just ffb dead zone. This is like driving a real steering wheel with lots of play. I think I can deal with the swaying more than adding dead zone to the wheel. Of course by adding dead zone you lose the ability to feel weight shifting while braking.

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@ MuRRE
DFGT is IMO the best budget wheel and a good beginners wheel. You should have kept that wheel since you are having doubts. If in 3-4 months from now you are still interested in racing and want a better wheel then you would be more sure if it worth spending $500-$600 on one. If you are playing something else 3 months from now then you wouldn't have hundreds in a wheel just sitting in a corner.
Fanatec standard pedals are not much better than DFGT. The only advantage it has a clutch pedal but most games doesn't take advantage of the clutch as most of the time a button works just as good. In Gt5 the clutch pedal might as well be a button.
 
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Zoom!Zoom!
The only advantage it has a clutch pedal but most games doesn't take advantage of the clutch as most of the time a button works just as good. In Gt5 the clutch pedal might as well be a button.
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I'm only speaking for myself here but for me it's the immersion.

Saying a clutch may as well be a button, I could add to that a wheel may as well be a stick.

Most console games can be driven with a stick to a good standard. They have too, their the majority.
 
Spagetti69
I'm only speaking for myself here but for me it's the immersion.

Saying a clutch may as well be a button, I could add to that a wheel may as well be a stick.

Most console games can be driven with a stick to a good standard. They have too, their the majority.
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Just to add a but more about the pedal.

In the heat of a race I much prefer to know my clutch is under my foot whilst turning and stick shifting rather than flaff about worrying where the button is on a 900 degree wheel.

Edit.

Bugger why did I quote myself.
If I can't find the edit button I'm sure gonna struggle with a clutch button lol.
 
Spagetti69
Just to add a but more about the pedal.

In the heat of a race I much prefer to know my clutch is under my foot whilst turning and stick shifting rather than flaff about worrying where the button is on a 900 degree wheel.

Edit.

Bugger why did I quote myself.
If I can't find the edit button I'm sure gonna struggle with a clutch button lol.
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I want your opinion, since your advice has been so good.
Hands down (I don't care about FM), do you think it's stupid to buy a T500 when Fanatec is about release new wheels within 6 months?

Don't feel like keeping the DFGT if I can get a full refund.
 
MuRRe
I want your opinion, since your advice has been so good.
Hands down (I don't care about FM), do you think it's stupid to buy a T500 when Fanatec is about release new wheels within 6 months?

Don't feel like keeping the DFGT if I can get a full refund.
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Honestly mate I don't know is the truthful answer.

If your PC and PS3 based I can't see you going wrong with T500.

I'm going on what current users a saying and apparently the wheel is fantastic.

Currently on PS3 at least only 2 games work to my knowledge.

Shift 2 didn't support it but I'm not sure if it has been patched for PS3.

trying to think of the next racer to come out and I think it's F1. Now if that doesn't get supported there will be uproar. It is after all advertised as the official PS3 wheel not just gran turismo.

I would have thought Sony might insist that wheel supported games have T500 support.

Not trying to scaremonger as I am 99% sure all new releases will get it.
Playing previous games on a PS3 will be a hindrance though mate.

As for the Fanatec. As much as I like the products it's as bout real as a TS500 shifter and I really can't say what there going to be like.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for you parting with cash on my say so.
Your asking me a question on which you know as much as I.
I haven't used a T500 or Fanatecs upcoming wheels.

Sorry.
 
Spagetti69
Just to add a but more about the pedal.

In the heat of a race I much prefer to know my clutch is under my foot whilst turning and stick shifting rather than flaff about worrying where the button is on a 900 degree wheel.

Edit.

Bugger why did I quote myself.
If I can't find the edit button I'm sure gonna struggle with a clutch button lol.
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Hmm... don't you down shift before entering into a corner? I usually try to keep from shifting while entering and exiting a corner.
I get your point though.
 
I would've said stick with the DFGT. The 911 is an entry level wheel, so the wheel won't be much better. The standard Fanatec pedals may have a clutch pedal and slightly better brake resistance, but the throttle pedal apparently has so little feel/resistance that it's not worht the switch, especially when the 911 is almost double the price of a DFGT.

Combined with the poor customer service and quality control that comes from small company like Fanatec, you're getting a worse deal.

The Rennsport shouldn't be an issue, once you get one of these you'll want something more sturdy, portability sounds fancy but think, will you really need it that much? You can just as easily build something more sturdy which can be dis-assembled for significantly cheaper cost.

I'd advise to stick with the DFGT until you decide to go for a higher end wheel (Possibly the upcoming Fanatec wheel if it is cross-platform not just Xbox 360/PC). I decided to go with the G27 myself and the oscillation really isn't a problem for me. Sure, it's weird at first but when you get to grips with it (Literally) you don't notice it. I know it's stronger on the DFGT in GT5, but surely for the low cost it's worth it. The 911 won't be much better. If you were going for a Fanatec you should be aiming at the GT3 RS V2 or higher.
 
Seismica
I would've said stick with the DFGT. The 911 is an entry level wheel, so the wheel won't be much better. The standard Fanatec pedals may have a clutch pedal and slightly better brake resistance, but the throttle pedal apparently has so little feel/resistance that it's not worht the switch, especially when the 911 is almost double the price of a DFGT.

Combined with the poor customer service and quality control that comes from small company like Fanatec, you're getting a worse deal.

The Rennsport shouldn't be an issue, once you get one of these you'll want something more sturdy, portability sounds fancy but think, will you really need it that much? You can just as easily build something more sturdy which can be dis-assembled for significantly cheaper cost.

I'd advise to stick with the DFGT until you decide to go for a higher end wheel (Possibly the upcoming Fanatec wheel if it is cross-platform not just Xbox 360/PC). I decided to go with the G27 myself and the oscillation really isn't a problem for me. Sure, it's weird at first but when you get to grips with it (Literally) you don't notice it. I know it's stronger on the DFGT in GT5, but surely for the low cost it's worth it. The 911 won't be much better. If you were going for a Fanatec you should be aiming at the GT3 RS V2 or higher.
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Waiting for an answer from Logitech about the refund.
Hopefully get it the answer tomorrow.

I don't wanna wait 6 months AND don't wanna pay 70 bucks for a wheel being 360 compatible.
So most likely I'll order a T500
 
Fanatec...
I will make you regret that :lol:
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I hope CSR Elite and CSW are released sooner than at the end of the year to make people regret buying T500, because as we know things coming out later are always better, but if people are always waiting for better one to turn up, they would never actually buy something.

@MuRRe
I recommend you to stick with DFGT at the moment and if you really are into simracing you can buy one of new Fanatec wheels or T500 later. There's no reason to buy Carrera wheel now, because if you decide to buy CSW or CSR Elite or CSR later on, you can't use Carrera pedals and shifter with them because you naturally want to use CSP and CSS.
 
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Fanatec...
I will make you regret that :lol:
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That must mean that the Fanatec shipping times will be greatly improved as is the QC of new products...
I hope so because I want to get an XBox and FM4 (only play racing games and with a wheel) but the Fanatec customer support reviews I read on the internet has been putting me off.
 
Fanatec...
I will make you regret that :lol:
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I actually hope so :)
Because competition is good.
I don't have anything personal against you Thomas (correct spelling) or your company 👍

Just that I want a high end wheel NOW.
:D

UPS will pick it up in the end of this week.

So either I'm gonna buy a used G27 and stay with that for 1+ year and then switch up if I find the need.
Bad idea?
 
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Ah I thought you were getting a new T500rs haha. problem with a used wheel you will always wonder if its broken a little
 
I used to want a G27 so bad but it was during that 'blackout' when all Logitech wheels were sold out. sometimes I think sim racing is a crappy hobby to have because no one seems to keep their product in stock. This is a common problem across many sim racing suppliers (wheel stands, etc) I've come to learn in my limited sim racing exp

What I am saying it seems like a major game release like GT5, etc seems to empty out supplies for months to be clear*
 
T500rs doesn't have any deadzone. I can let go of the wheel and my sim car will remain perfectly straight like a real car would. There is no setting a T500rs owner has to ever tweak for this sort of thing

To be clear this applies to GT5, iRacing, rFactor, etc.
 
tribolik
That must mean that the Fanatec shipping times will be greatly improved as is the QC of new products...
I hope so because I want to get an XBox and FM4 (only play racing games and with a wheel) but the Fanatec customer support reviews I read on the internet has been putting me off.
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Actually, they just pulled out the "pre-order" part. Once the product finally cleared custom, then (I think) Fanatec will allow customers to place their orders, and the shipment will arrive to the designated residence just like any other company. As far as I can tell, it's still pretty much the same, which means existing customers may still be in a difficult situation if they need wheel replacement.
 
MuRRe
Just that I want a high end wheel NOW.
:D
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If you like waiting then you will love Fanatec especially when it comes to new products. Some of this is probably due of being a smaller company.

Added: like sandboxgod mention after GT5 release even Logitech had trouble keeping G27 in stock.
 
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Spagetti69
Well done.....er again. Enjoy your new wheel. Now I can ask you questions :)
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PS. Couldn't afford really, but what the heck.
You only live once right?

Yeah, ask away.
Send PM if it's urgent :D

Will probably get alot of anguish over this decision :D
(Not because I won't enjoy the wheel, just because it's alot of money for me)
 
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If you dont mind us asking questions then maybe you can help me out too...
How can I also buy a wheel that I cant afford??? Id really like to know the answer to that :dopey: :lol:

PS: kicking the Mrs out of the house unfortunatly is not an option (kidding)...
 

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