My dissapointments about GT3

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Skid Mark 33

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I will admit it, I do have dissapointments about GT3. Sure the graphics were good, but I did not like the music. And what I really hated most was how dull the start screen was, and the simulation mode screens, well they are so dark and boring they seem to represent someones death! And you would also think it would have had a brand new sound engine from that in GT1 and GT2. Nope, they just upgraded them here and there!
 
And the fact that only the Japanesse versions included the Lamborghini, DAM YOU PD, DAM YOU ALL TO HELL!

Edit: To me, it seems like a remake of GT2 on PS2. Except that GT2 was not a let down, where as for me, GT3 was. They have taken most of the events of GT2 and placed them on GT3. Oh yeah, take a look at the intro as well, from what I see they have just recreated some of the intro scenes from GT2 on GT3 and placed them in the intro. For example, the Dodge Viper crossing over the bridge at Grand Valley, and the cars going round that fast sweeping bend at seattle. Sorry PD, GT3 was a big let down!
 
There was just a thread about this very topic created a few months back but oh well.

GT3 disappointed me in lots of ways, but in just as many ways I'd have to say I liked it. Qualifying was back so I could figure out an accurate way to set my car up before races again. Some of the races in GT3 are also very intense. I also dig the replay function that randomly selects cars and I don't have to press any buttons. Return of Route 11 👍 The whole oil-change thing isn't that realistic but at least it's a step in the right direction. 👍 Cote d'Azur 👍 the somewhat useless (but cool anyway) Analyzer thing that let you watch how much speed you were carrying in certain areas and stuff. 👍

But the major let-downs:

1. the nifty horsepower/torque graphs in GT1 and 2 were gone! This really pissed me off for some reason. I was expecting graphs in GT3 would be even more detailed, but they were gone!

2. and obviously all the oddball cars I got used to seeing in GT2 were now gone. :(

3. and no race mods.

4. and no used car lot!

5. and the selection of American and European cars had dwindled to a few models..literally, while it seems there weren't much less Japanese models. :dunce:

6. Still no car damage

....I could go on and on. It's weird, I had some great racing in GT3, but I have absolutely no urge to go back to it at all. :guilty: GT4 has a lot of things GT3 lacks.
 
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GT4 made up for all GT3's mistakes. Mind you one thing has really pissed me of about GT4. The first disc I got, it got the red circle glitch. Then, so did my second and third. I will never be able to complete GT4 because of that. Anyway, other thing that winds me up about GT3. The A.I still has a brain the size of a pea! And the arcade mode on GT3 was just crap. A few cars and 5 couses, here have a crap time playing in arcade mode!
 
Skid Mark 33
The first disc I got, it got the red circle glitch. Then, so did my second and third. I will never be able to complete GT4 because of that.
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News flash: The red logo 'glitch' is not a glitch. The problem is in the Playstation2 unit, not in the game/disc.

Do a search for "Red GT Logo" or something along those lines. You'll find a solution to the problem.
 
-Diego-
News flash: The red logo 'glitch' is not a glitch. The problem is in the Playstation2 unit, not in the game/disc.

Do a search for "Red GT Logo" or something along those lines. You'll find a solution to the problem.
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No I have not, to be honest I dont really care about GT4 anymore. I'm just waiting for two things. When I get my PS3 and when I get GT5!
 
Oh well, then don't complain about a game being bad because of a non-existent glitch. The problem is in your PS2, not in the game...
 
-Diego-
Oh well, then don't complain about a game being bad because of a non-existent glitch. The problem is in your PS2, not in the game...
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I dont know what it is. I have sorted out the PS2 and it still dont work, but never mind. Dude, were going of topic here!
 
I personally loved GT3... I mean, yes, the fact that there only seemed to be about half the stuff there was in GT2 was quite annoying (where did Red Rock Valley Speedway and Grindelwald go!?) but I thought the actual driving was the most fun out of any of the GTs so far... Drifting was dead easy, cars were quite grippy, much less twitchy than GT4.

I don't care if it was less realistic, it was more fun to me, and that's all that matters :)
 
To me,it doesn't matter if GT3 sucks or not (if not,all the GT titles out there) because you still buy them and play it right? To me,GT3 has more improvements than GT2 not only in terms of graphics but in terms of quality and physics (but the replay value had been disappointing) I mean,there is more things in GT3 that GT2 didn't have.For example:
  • GT3 has better graphics than GT2 (the most obvious improvement)
  • GT3 has more classes that GT2
  • GT3 has F1 cars!
  • More Le Mans car appear in GT3 than GT2 (including the real and fake LM cars)
  • GT3 has a more refined car handling physics than GT2
  • GT3 has a wet track!

But of course there's always the flaws:
  • GT3 has very few cars (but i do understand why....)
  • GT3 has no race mods!
  • GT3 has less circuits than GT2
  • GT3 didn't include some of the cars from the previous games
  • No replay value! (or very little)
  • Some races were too long and the prizes were disapointing
  • The game can be easily "overkilled"

But this means nothing to me,cause if you were a GT freak like me and anyone else in this forum,you would be happy to play anything from PD. Its the little things that make GT so much better than other racing games out there.....
 
You are wrong in saying its just a PS2 remake of GT2. A remake of GT2 on the PS2 would probably be one of the most successful GT games next to GT2 itself. Where's pikes peak, where's handleable rally physics, where's pretty much everything else that GT2 has that GT3, and GT4 lack.

You're better of just saying whatever and keeping it to yourself. Anything you complain about has been complained about time and time again, and doesn't do anything but make you look like a whiny little kid. If you don't like it, don't play it, and just keep on playing the game you like. Out of all the GT games I still play GT2 and haven't got bored of it. The only time i find myself on gt4 anymore is when i want to use my G25.
 
Skid Mark 33
GT4 made up for all GT3's mistakes. Mind you one thing has really pissed me of about GT4. The first disc I got, it got the red circle glitch. Then, so did my second and third. I will never be able to complete GT4 because of that. Anyway, other thing that winds me up about GT3. The A.I still has a brain the size of a pea! And the arcade mode on GT3 was just crap. A few cars and 5 couses, here have a crap time playing in arcade mode!
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Here's what worked for me: I bought a brand-new copy of GT4 (the Platinum version) and haven't had a red-circle since. See, originally I had a used copy of GT4 and I could race, but it wouldn't let me watch the replay or return to any other screens after the race without several minutes of annoying red circles...

Anyways, I'd advise you to part with $19.99 (or whatever that converts to where you live in England) and get GT4 ASAP! You can always return it if it doesn't work, right? And your mind will be blown away at all the improvements. That was my GT4 experience for like the first month--surprise after surprise after surprise! :D

Snod Blatter
I personally loved GT3... I mean, yes, the fact that there only seemed to be about half the stuff there was in GT2 was quite annoying (where did Red Rock Valley Speedway and Grindelwald go!?) but I thought the actual driving was the most fun out of any of the GTs so far... Drifting was dead easy, cars were quite grippy, much less twitchy than GT4.

I don't care if it was less realistic, it was more fun to me, and that's all that matters :)
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All the GT games have various minuses and pluses. That's for sure. I love GT4, and love the variety of cars, but damn I miss on-the-spot drifting! ..and right in the middle of a race, too. You could drift on good tires, too...you didn't have to be using sucky N2 comfort tires to get sideways. :grumpy:

mnm_bmx
To me,it doesn't matter if GT3 sucks or not (if not,all the GT titles out there) because you still buy them and play it right? To me,GT3 has more improvements than GT2 not only in terms of graphics but in terms of quality and physics (but the replay value had been disappointing) I mean,there is more things in GT3 that GT2 didn't have.For example:
  • GT3 has better graphics than GT2 (the most obvious improvement)
  • GT3 has more classes that GT2
  • GT3 has F1 cars!
  • More Le Mans car appear in GT3 than GT2 (including the real and fake LM cars)
  • GT3 has a more refined car handling physics than GT2
  • GT3 has a wet track!

But of course there's always the flaws:
  • GT3 has very few cars (but i do understand why....)
  • GT3 has no race mods!
  • GT3 has less circuits than GT2
  • GT3 didn't include some of the cars from the previous games
  • No replay value! (or very little)
  • Some races were too long and the prizes were disapointing
  • The game can be easily "overkilled"

But this means nothing to me,cause if you were a GT freak like me and anyone else in this forum,you would be happy to play anything from PD. Its the little things that make GT so much better than other racing games out there.....
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I am a GT freak too. One thing tho....any GT game can be overkilled. You basically gotta monitor your own power and stuff.

Oh, that's another thing that really disappointed me about GT3.. yeah you get wet tracks, but there's hardly any races that use this awesome technology! :grumpy: You basically gotta near-complete Arcade mode or do a rally (against less cars! :grumpy:) to get to the wet tracks! I never understood why these races weren't used more throughout GT3. Where's the rain-enduro?? :confused:

...matter of fact, I'd trade just about all the dumb Test Course races in Pro-league for some wet tracks! :indiff:

Diablo'
You are wrong in saying its just a PS2 remake of GT2. A remake of GT2 on the PS2 would probably be one of the most successful GT games next to GT2 itself. Where's pikes peak, where's handleable rally physics, where's pretty much everything else that GT2 has that GT3, and GT4 lack.
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GT3 is definitely not a remake of GT2. In fact, one of the reasons GT2 has so many mistakes and flaws was because Polyphony Digital was apparently trying to finish up GT2 in haste (to please Sony and get the game out in time for the Christmas '99 season). Whereas with GT3, PD was given more time to make things right. Still, there are enough differences between the 2 games--like night and day in my opinion...
 
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Parnelli Bone
Here's what worked for me: i bought a brand-new copy of GT4 (the Platinum version) and haven't had a red-circle since. See, cuz originally i had a used copy of GT4 and i could race, but it wouldn't let me watch the replay or return to any other screens after the race without several minutes of annoying red circles...

Anyways, i'd advise you to part with $19.99 (or whatever that converts to where you live in England) and get GT4 ASAP! You can always return it if it doesn't work, right? And your mind will be blown away at all the improvements. That was my GT4 experience for like the first month--surprise after surpise after surprise! :D



All the GT games have various minuses and plusses. That's for sure. I love GT4, and love the variety of cars, but damn i miss on-the-spot drifting! ..and right in the middle of a race, too. You could drift on good tires, too...you didnt' have to be using sucky N2 comfort tires to get sideways. :grumpy:



Yeah i am a GT freak too. One thing tho....any GT game can be overkilled. You basically gotta monitor your own power and stuff.

Oh, that's another thing that really disappointed me about gT3.. yeah you get wet tracks, but there's hardly any races that use this awesome technology! :grumpy: You basically gotta near-complete Arcade mode or do a rally (against less cars! :grumpy:) to get to the wet tracks! I never understood why these races weren't used more throughout GT3. where's the rain-enduro?? :confused:

...matter of fact, i'd trade just about all the dumb Test Course races in Pro-league for some wet tracks! :indiff:



GT3 is definately not a remake of GT2. In fact, one of the reasons GT2 has so many mistakes and flaws was because Polyphony Digital was apparently trying to finish up GT2 in haste (to please Sony and get the game out in time for the Christmas '99 season). Wheras with GT3, PD was given more time to make things right. Still, there are enough differences between the 2 games--like night and day in my opinion...
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You have dollars over there in the USA, while over here in England we have pounds. I am going to take a very bad guess and say $19.00 is about £15.00!

Edit: What I did not like is the fact that, after they did so well with GT1 and GT2, how did they mange to get it so wrong. They did not have Grand Valley east or High Speed Ring on GT3, and that really ticked me of. Mind you, thats just my opinion!
 
Parnelli Bone
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Yeah i am a GT freak too. One thing tho....any GT game can be overkilled. You basically gotta monitor your own power and stuff.

Oh, that's another thing that really disappointed me about gT3.. yeah you get wet tracks, but there's hardly any races that use this awesome technology! :grumpy: You basically gotta near-complete Arcade mode or do a rally (against less cars! :grumpy:) to get to the wet tracks! I never understood why these races weren't used more throughout GT3. where's the rain-enduro?? :confused:

...matter of fact, i'd trade just about all the dumb Test Course races in Pro-league for some wet tracks! :indiff:



GT3 is definately not a remake of GT2. In fact, one of the reasons GT2 has so many mistakes and flaws was because Polyphony Digital was apparently trying to finish up GT2 in haste (to please Sony and get the game out in time for the Christmas '99 season). Wheras with GT3, PD was given more time to make things right. Still, there are enough differences between the 2 games--like night and day in my opinion...
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Yeah,you have a point there. Any GT game can be "overkilled" but not as easy as GT3. I mean,once you get the F1 car,thats about it..... While they did have the F1 car in GT4, the Le Mans car did make it more even that others (and the fact that all of the LM GT1/Group C cars are evenly match so to speak) But does anybody know why GT3 is worse that GT2? Well i have a few ideas and opinions, but i don't know if anyone agrees with it or not....

GT3 was the first few games released on the PS2,so it makes the game more of a concept game for the PS2 which PD would eventually modeled it into GT4. The fact that they were make the game less "flawless" they did try to "play it safe" by just having a limited cars and tracks and were also trying to make space for the graphics improvement (until GT4 came out, it had way better graphics than GT3 but have more disc problems...)

I know some have said about Skid Mark 33's comment about how GT4 is just an updated version of GT3. To me its partially right. I mean if you did notice between each title,there are some similarities between each games. For example, both GT1 and GT3 has very little content in the game while GT2 and GT4 has a whole lot of contents in the game. And this is also true, since GT2 and GT4 has more contents in its games, they do have more glitches as well.....

So its like this,
GT1 on the PSX is similar to GT3 on the PS2
GT2 on the PSX is similar to GT4 on the PS2
(but not the same! please don't get mixed up with that)
 
As much as it sucks, the game is good if you think of it as a development of GT2 to aid technologies found in GT4.

In other words, it is a lot like "Hi-Res" GT1.

The Formula One cars are exciting as well, marking the first time truly open cars appeared in the game (convertibles had tops perpetually up in all games until then).

In conclusion, GT3, while underdeveloped, is a benchmark in technology and essentially eased the transition for Polyphony Digital to create inarguably the best driving simulator of ALL TIME!
 
superberkut
As much as it sucks, the game is good if you think of it as a development of GT2 to aid technologies found in GT4.

In other words, it is a lot like "Hi-Res" GT1.

The Formula One cars are exciting as well, marking the first time truly open cars appeared in the game (convertibles had tops perpetually up in all games until then).

In conclusion, GT3, while underdeveloped, is a benchmark in technology and essentially eased the transition for Polyphony Digital to create inarguably the best driving simulator of ALL TIME!
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I do love Gran Turismo, and will stand behind it until the day i die, but i'm going to have to disagree with you on that statement.

As wolfe will argue until he is blue in the face, Gran Turismo's physics couldn't be anywhere closer to unreal. For real life physics, Enthusia is the way to go.

Modification wise, Forza absolutely rapes Gran Turismo. Never has Gran Turismo had the ability to change drive train, swap engines, and add different levels of body modification that actually make a differece.
 
Diablo'
I do love Gran Turismo, and will stand behind it until the day i die, but i'm going to have to disagree with you on that statement.

As wolfe will argue until he is blue in the face, Gran Turismo's physics couldn't be anywhere closer to unreal. For real life physics, Enthusia is the way to go.

Modification wise, Forza absolutely rapes Gran Turismo. Never has Gran Turismo had the ability to change drive train, swap engines, and add different levels of body modification that actually make a differece.
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OH. I see.

Wait, are we discussing GT3 or GT4, or both?
 
All Right you Weenies. Quit your whining. GT3 was a great game in it's day. It's still very playable, and it's still better driving than any "Arcade Game" I've ever driven. Sure I'd love to have Ferrari's, a Lamborghini Muira, and A Skyline GTR specV R34zipzippowpowrummarumma XTX special "tempura 2000" edition. But as Stephen Wright said: "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"

Slow weekend, Guys?
 
KAMKA-Z
All Right you Weenies. Quit your whining. GT3 was a great game in it's day. It's still very playable, and it's still better driving than any "Arcade Game" I've ever driven. Sure I'd love to have Ferrari's, a Lamborghini Muira, and A Skyline GTR specV R34zipzippowpowrummarumma XTX special "tempura 2000" edition. But as Stephen Wright said: "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"

Slow weekend, Guys?
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Aw gee, sorry man! In case you missed my first argument, I stood behind GT3 until I saw another valid point. I just happened to be discussing GT4 in the wrong forum, so I corrected myself. It does not make sense to label us if we say it isn't the best game of all time. We just say it's a great game, loads of fun, and yet it pales in comparison to its sequel and other later games from the present. And no, it's not a slow weekend.
 
mnm_bmx
So its like this,
GT1 on the PSX is similar to GT3 on the PS2
GT2 on the PSX is similar to GT4 on the PS2
(but not the same! please don't get mixed up with that)
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I agree with you on this statement. I've actually said it before myself. 1 & 3 were building blocks in a sense for 2 & 4, which are like car-encyclopedias in comaprison. I mean comparison :dunce:
 
Unusually, after playing GT4 for along time I was actually drawn BACK to GT3, and i now play it lots, and adore it. Here's why, for me.
1. It has the road version of the Ford GT40. Quite simply one of the best handling and best sounding road cars ever. And it, and the race car, sound much better than the GT4 race car.
2. The sky effects. Seattle, Grand Valley Reverse, Deep Forest Reverse, Laguna Seca and many more look simply fantastic in the early evening glow, and it simply gives some of the races more of a thrill, to me.
3. Its more simple - and I like that. Hundreds of novelty cars and loads of tracks are all well and good, but GT is at its heart a racing game, and GT3 is just that - stripped down, no frills, pure racing. Well thats how it is for me.
4. The multiple prizecar option, which to me adds a bit of suspense to things - you can be easily rewarded with a lemans car or F1 car as you could be rewarded with say a basic Skyline.
5. The Complex String. Quite simply the maddest track ever to hit GT.
6. The variety of competitions and race series.
7. The fact that the enduros wernt ridiculously long.

Sure, there is a noticible bias towards japanese cars, and there isnt as many tracks as GT2 etc etc. But for me, GT3 has a certain charm for me that means, like GT2 i will continue to play it and enjoy it.
 
Falcon787B
Unusually, after playing GT4 for along time I was actually drawn BACK to GT3, and i now play it lots, and adore it. Here's why, for me.
1. It has the road version of the Ford GT40. Quite simply one of the best handling and best sounding road cars ever. And it, and the race car, sound much better than the GT4 race car.
2. The sky effects. Seattle, Grand Valley Reverse, Deep Forest Reverse, Laguna Seca and many more look simply fantastic in the early evening glow, and it simply gives some of the races more of a thrill, to me.
3. Its more simple - and I like that. Hundreds of novelty cars and loads of tracks are all well and good, but GT is at its heart a racing game, and GT3 is just that - stripped down, no frills, pure racing. Well thats how it is for me.
4. The multiple prizecar option, which to me adds a bit of suspense to things - you can be easily rewarded with a lemans car or F1 car as you could be rewarded with say a basic Skyline.
5. The Complex String. Quite simply the maddest track ever to hit GT.
6. The variety of competitions and race series.
7. The fact that the enduros wernt ridiculously long.

Sure, there is a noticible bias towards japanese cars, and there isnt as many tracks as GT2 etc etc. But for me, GT3 has a certain charm for me that means, like GT2 i will continue to play it and enjoy it.
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Well that's cool. Hey you know this thread is supposed to be about your disappointments with GT3! Oh well. :crazy:
 

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