My fiancée wants to buy an RX-8. *edit* The search is over.

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Maybe, I dunno, he actually cares about HER rather than the car.

I'm not so sure. I'm having trouble coming up with any reasons for his disapproval of her choice that don't represent a serious character flaw on his part.

He seems to want his girlfriend to drive a boring underpowered snoozemobile for a myriad of pathetic reasons like "sometimes you might have to put some oil in it" or "you'll have to buy tires".
 
What it strikes me as here is JCE ain't crazy about rotaries, but wants his girl to know what she's getting into.
 
Well synthetic oil is kind of a grey area for the rotary.
Here's the funny part.

Mazda USA doesn't allow the use of synthetic oil for warranty support on rotary engines, it will void the warranty.

Japan, Europe and all other countries suggest synthetic oil.

Mazda's rotary racing teams run synthetic oil.

In fact this is what mazdatrix says about synthetics and rotary engines.

Mazdatrix
This has got to be one of the most frequently asked questions ever!

Here is our answer:
The Rotary engine has an oil injection system that injects small amounts of oil into either the intake tract, carb, or rotor housing (depending on year/model). This is needed to lubricate the various internal seals and surfaces.

The injected oil MUST BURN, and must burn clean. The root answer to the question is that not ALL synthetic oils burn, and not ALLof them burn clean.
The ones that do not burn accumulate until they foul the spark plugs.
The ones that do not burn clean can leave residues of various substances (like ash? plastic? non-organic sand?) that accumulate until the spark plugs foul, or a seal sticks -- could be apex seal, side seal, corner seal, or oil control ring. The normal consequence of a stuck seal is an engine tear down.

In the many years we have been involved in rotary engines, we have NEVER had a problem with GOOD petroleum based oils. They work fine! They are less expensive than synthetics. (We use Castrol 20-50 GTX). They burn clean, etc. etc.

The problem with answering the original question is that it is NOT a simple yes or no. We DO simplify it to a "NO", but that is because we do NOT know whether the specific brand of synthetic the customer has in mind will work. AND, if it does not work, how long will it be before the damage shows up, and how bad will the damage be? Maybe it will take 10,000 miles, maybe 50,000 miles?? Maybe the engine will fail due to something unrelated to the oil, and there won't be enough left to determine why the failure happened.

WE are not willing to take that gamble, are you ?

Then, take a minute to think of WHY you want to use a synthetic. If a rotary engine (properly maintained, oil changes at 3K intervals, etc.) can still be running fine at over 200,000 miles, the engine does not need any more cooling, the gas milage will not be any better, etc. etc. WHY do you want to spend more $$ and gamble on engine and/or spark plug damage? (If you are into the fossil fuel thing, pollution, depleting our resources, etc. then you should not be driving ANY car!)

We are not chemists, and we do not have the time, $$'s, nor inclination to do 100K mile tests of various synthetics in rotary engines.

We DO use synthetics in the transmissions and rear ends - it works fine.

Anyway - that is the MAZDATRIX version of the synthetic question.

http://www.mazdatrix.com/FAQ\SYNTHETC.HTM

Don't see why some of you are discouraging the purchase of an RX-8. It's a wonderful car and if treated right will last you many years of fun.
 
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What it strikes me as here is JCE ain't crazy about rotaries, but wants his girl to know what she's getting into.

+1 Exactly. I'm not trying to get her to NOT buy the car I just want her to make a sound decision with as much information as possible. :) Thanks for getting the point. 👍
 
Wait until she test drives it... she'll probably not like it anyway.

In addition to the horrendous oil and fuel consumption, they are noisier than fast, have zero torque unless you're thrashing them to death and have a ride that'll shake your fillings out... I didn't like.
 
I can imagine the problem with the cold start + shut off being a problem on street cleaning days. Start it in the morning, park on the otherside, turn off car.

Then there could be one of those days where she will forget something in the house! *Starts the RX-8 cold* "Oh I forgot my purse in the house!" *turns off car.*

Its like not only will she have to think about some of the maintenance rotories must go through, her driving habit will have to change to the RX-8's needs.
 
We were eating dinner a Luna del Noche and there was a nice white Z3 that was parked up front and she indicated that "she may just buy a BMW, I mean its premium right". So naturally I told her that I of course would love for her to buy German but that in the end she needs something that will make her happy. She indicated that she was serious about looking at BMW Z3's. I searched and could not find the old post where I was given advice about them. So I call all BMW enthusiasts to give me the 411 on them. Also could someone give me info on R170 SLK's too? Preferably the 230 with a manual.

I love Z3's and would love to own one myself. I'm also going to give her info on the SLK with the Z3 and suggest she drive them to see how she likes them. I want to also get her in an S2000 as well--but that is a slim hope.

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Nevermind on the R170 SLK she doesn't like them. But do post the information as I am still in need of one. I saw an AMG SLK for $18k on autotrader. :drool:
 
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Sounds like you should give up on finding info for now. She obviously has no idea what she wants.
 
I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet but the RX-8 also gets terrible gas mileage. Unless you really need the back seats you are better off getting an S2000 and buying a hardtop.

For around $18,000 you can get a Z3M or a Z4.
 
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Take a look at these posts:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3425556&postcount=12
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3389494&postcount=30
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3390348&postcount=40

That is the type of information I need regarding these vehicles. I need things to look for in terms of issues/problems/etc. Simply saying "gets bad gas mileage" doesn't help me/her/us. Not trying to be mean but that's what I am after.

And, I'm not going to suggest cars just randomly (in this case S2000). She has to mention "oh that car looks neat/cool/sexy/awsome/whatever" before I'll chime in on it. :D Her time table for purchase is around October~December. MY new(er) car purchase is probably going to take place November~January. The van will most likely be the trade-in...unless I find a good job that pays me well enough not to need to.
 
I have a colleague that bought a used Z3 in Arizona and would be happy to ask him for info about 2nd hand ownership costs if you'd like.
Also I'd suggest asking someone like ///M-Spec about his personal experiences of BMW ownership.
 
A family friend had one of the four-pot Z3s, and I can't ever recall her having any problems with it in the time before she moved. It was a great looking car in that maroonish tone, I liked it a fair bit... But I believe I asked the same question everyone was asking at the time:

Why not just get a Miata?

If you're going the Z3 route, I'm sure the I6 would be the way to go. So, do that.

RE: S2K

I've been looking at them on and off, and they're surprisingly cheap. Well, at least in my opinion. You're looking at a $10-14K window for a 2.0L model, and I found the insurance rates to be surprisingly affordable - less than $150 for me, a 22 year old male.

IMO:

S2K > Miata > Z3

...On second thought: Look for a Mazdaspeed Miata. A little more rare than a run-of-the-mill roadster, but a gem otherwise.
 
She doesn't like MX5's...thankfully. :lol: Sorry Brad. I'll have to figure out a way for her to glance at an S2000 then I can ask "oh this is pretty neat what do you think". :D I like S2k's, but I dunno if she would.
 
Check out this thread on the Z3 M Coupe.

As for the Roadster version of the car, I think the best one would be the 3.0 or the 2.8. The 3 liter was the last non-M BMW available from the factory with an honest to goodness limited slip diff. The four-banger has a nice lightness and flickability to it, but feels really weedy at times. It feels over-chassied, so to speak. On the other hand, the Z3 M had a bit more engine than the chassis was ready to handle. The 2.8 and later 3.0 was 'just right'.

If your significant other is not really a car person, then she will probably find any well cared for example a fun little car. She will need to be prepared for the usual pitfalls of roadster ownership --limited storage space, hazy + scratched up rear plastic windows, potential softtop troubles and such. As well as the usual things you need to look out for in an older car.

Everything I wrote about replacing bushing and such in the E36 M3 thread applies here too. Unless you find a Z3 with under 40,000 miles on it...

As for the rest ---honestly, I don't know much more about them. Since the car is a hodge-podge of E36, E30 and even E46 bits, I think it's a mixed-bag. I don't recall any major problems with the car, save for the diff mount and/or subframe to body welds tearing on a few cars-- not sure about the scope of this issue however. It's worth looking into though, torn frames are usually big money. The engine and tranny will last forever if cared for.

For 18k, there are much better sports car choices out there. There's the Z4. It may not be everyone's cup of tea styling wise, but it is a much better car overall than the Z3.

18k will also get you a nice 986 Boxster or Boxster S as well as the aforementioned S2000. For the money, I'd lean towards the Porsche, personally.


M
 
Thanks as always for the invaluable info M. :D After discussing the Z with the girl she has decided not to bother with the BMW. I get the feeling that she is going to get the RX-8 regardless of what else is out there. So maybe I should just not even bother anymore and let her do her thing.

Still, good to know this info for myself. :D Although I think I want a Fiero more than anything else now. :eek:
 
The search is over. We got ourselves a 2007 sunlight silver RX-8 today. Well, she traded her Cavalier in for one anyway. Her search was finally over when she got a hell of a deal on one and it is still under the factory warranty on the drivetrain for another 13k miles or so (or 3 more years). It's got 46,1xx miles on her and is in pretty good shape. Granted I'm not a fan of them but at least she's happy and it isn't something retarded. She drives a RWD sports car, that's awsome in my book. More pictures to come once I dig out my camera and we have time to take some snapshots during the daytime.

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yay, congratulations! I havent driven one but always liked them. Did she get the stick?
 
yay, congratulations! I havent driven one but always liked them. Did she get the stick?

No, finding one with a stick in config she wanted for the price she wanted was next to impossible. It's ok, drives ok and makes a reasonably good noise but my only complaint is the seats are hideously uncomfortable. Otherwise for her it's a great starter sports car. :D

Took your time lol it's been a year.

She needed to get promoted at work before she could shell out the money. 👍

We took some better pictures today so I'll post them along with a pic of my name on some paper on the car for proof.
 
Sarcasm, bro. Of course we know it is. Maybe even against a manual one, too. :P
I drove a manual '08 or so, it felt just about exactly like my cousins S2000 did. A manual one "should" outrun a Focus.

EDIT: Wait, but you said sarcasm. Which is really isn't...
 
Welcome to rotors! (or again if ya ever had one:lol:)

Never had a rotory. And as soon as I get a good enough promotion at work with a decent salary I will stuff a proper American V8 under the bonnet. :D

I bet your SVT is faster. :D

Her car vs my car yes, I'd win.

Against a slushbox RX-8? Probably.


I'm glad you were finally able to find her the car she wanted, though.

Her automatic isn't fast, its quick. And I'm glad that her stress about her car situation is all but gone. That is except that now she has larger bills.

Sarcasm, bro. Of course we know it is. Maybe even against a manual one, too. :P

A manual gets to 60mph in around 6.0s doesn't it? I cannot compete with that. I get ~6.5s on a cool morning and with a proper launch. I doubt I could hit 6 flat.

I drove a manual '08 or so, it felt just about exactly like my cousins S2000 did. A manual one "should" outrun a Focus.

EDIT: Wait, but you said sarcasm. Which is really isn't...

The 2.2L S2000 would smoke both of our cars indeed. Still, she's happy it is not her Cavalier. :)
 
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