My Lotus Elise 111r settings

[Dusk]

Here is what ive gotten so far on my Elise. Im trying to perfect it.

Parts:
-Everything availible except lightness upgrade 3. I opted for Turbo instead of NA
It uses racing medium tires.
Settings:

-LSD:
IT=16
LSA=44
LS Dec=17

-Suspension:
-- Front-----Rear
SR=6.7 11.0
RH=91 91
S(B)=4 5
S(RB)=5 6
CA=1.7 1.5
TA=0 0
Stab:5 5

-Tranny:
Auto 1
Final 3.550
1st=3.293
2nd=2.402
3rd=1.839
4th=1.468
5th=1.223
6th=1.062

-Driving aids:
0(ASM O)
0(ASM U)
3(TCS)

-Brakes
Front=24
Rear=13

-Downforce:
15 35

-Wieght balance:
Left stock

Tell me what you think

EDIT: WOAH! I just got 1'13.889 on midfield normal without nos!

 

[Dusk]

No one has any input? I just got a new record. 1'13.768 on midfield normal.

 

[Wity]

Lemme get this straight. Racing medium tyres, a wing, stage 3 turbo, weight reduction 2, no nitro, and all other gizmos added. 331 bhp and 808kg shows in the garage and 310 bhp shows in the replay. Correct?

Presumably it's right I've double checked your posts.

21.446 / 42.112 / 1:09.206

She'll do a sub 9 easily if I can just tune out the wildness she's giving me under braking. I'll give it another go later and post the settings.

 

[Dusk]

Yeah, ive now switched over to a motor sports elise. But im still keeping my 111r. My Motor sports got 1'10.070 midfield normal.

Yes, what you have said is perfect. I think ive tuned my breaks down to like 12/6.

Im dedicating whatever i have left of today to perfecting it.

 

[Sprite]

Thanks will give this a go myself i love the elise and i would like a drivable but fast car. will post back with anything i find out.

 

[Wity]

21.236 / 41.555 / 1:08.646


Brakes........... 5 - 4
Springs...... 12.5 - 18
Height.......... 86 - 86
Bound............ 6 - 6
Rebound...... 10 - 10
Camber......... 0 - 0
Toe............... 0 - 0
Stabalisers.... 4 - 4

Final gear max, auto max, auto 1, final 3.835 then..
1st............. 2.996
2nd............ 2.214
3rd............. 1.715
4th............. 1.425
5th............. 1.231
6th............. 1.115
Final........... 3.835
Auto............... 1

Downforce... 30 -30

LSD Torque..... 25
Acceleration.... 28
Deceleration.... 25

Driving Aids.. Non (Leave them for the under 5's )

The brake balance is pretty much irrelevent as is camber and toe which rarely do anything for me. A couple of others such as the LSD can be quite differently set without any consequence too. The reason I was having so much trouble with its braking became apparent watching my replays closer, as I approached the final tunnel the lack of grip sent it slightly sideways before I braked and then it just wanted to spin out. By setting the front downforce to 10 the problem vanished but it slowed me elsewhere so back to max it went and I had to then brake slightly earlier and lighter to keep her straight.

Ghost replay is available if you want it although it's PAL

 

[chug-a-bug]

No one has any input? I just got a new record. 1'13.768 on midfield normal.

Have you even tried searching? There are a number of threads about this already.

I love the Motorsport Elise, all black with gold alloy wheel trims, looks great and has terrific handling. 👍 You might find this thread interesting, The settings in this thread worked great for me.

 

[Wity]

Have you even tried searching? There are a number of threads about this already.

No theres not. The two threads you point out are merely general discussions about settings for a car that looks the same. Totally pointless both of them.

 

[chug-a-bug]

Haha. Very funny.

 

[Wity]

Nothing funny about it, anyone with a brain knows that settings vary from track to track and between the same car with different bolt ons, tyres and weight. Them two threads are about as usefull as your post.

 

[Sprite]

Hi Wity, I set my car up yesterday with the settings you gave when you got your 1,08.... and i managed to get a 1,09,2.. but i cant help notice that this car feels as though it was tuned usng a DS2, was it?, because im using the DFP, sorry if this offends but it feels a little suggish on the turn in and the acceleration is woefull, but the car dose keep the tail under controle, and it keeps its speed constand all the way through the lap. Thanks for a nice drivable car. any ideas on the problems im finding (not too good a tuning)

 

[Wity]

Yes I use a DS2. I've never tried my wheel with GT dunno if it will even work with it or not as i use the wheel for pc sims and doss on a poof in front of the tv downstairs when playing GT.

Slugish on the turn in...
Dunno what to say there, Camber perhaps? Camber is supposed to help with cornering though I rarely find a benefit in it.

Acceleration...
99% down to gearing. 1% down to maintaining the grip.


Lets play around with the two see if we can get them better eh?

edit..

Well the "tranny trick" which everyone swears by including myself can be thrown out the window for a start off.
It worked so well in GT2 that I just stuck with it when playing gt4 (I hardly bothered with GT3)
Started off by taking her to the test course (1000 m ) and found the default setup quicker than my own. Tried a handful of others including one with a final gear of 6 ! which was pretty quick then just went and tried default then auto 9 and wow!!! now she's moving.

I'm gonna try and find the best gearing leaving all else the same before anything else.

 

[Wity]

Tried loads of gear variations and although I can get 0.4 seconds quicker at the 0-1000 metres test the improvement is only in the 0-400 no matter what I do. The important acceleration for a hot lap dont improve much on what I had to start with.
Eventually I settled for an auto 8 gearsetting with a slight increase to the 6th gear so that it does not top out on the straight.

Cant say I've found any improvement on the turn in but having toe set at -3-2 has certainly helped.

1:08.032 is the best I can do although if I nail a perfect run I reckon that'll be a 1:07.9xx as a number of times I've been two car lengths in front of my ghost.

 

[Sprite]

Yeh i had a go too, and got a 1,08,247, buti cant get quicker, and the car is alot better on the pad, but the with the wheel I had the problems i stated above. i will keep trying different stuff and see what i get, but to date, no luck with bettering your setup. 👍

 

[Wity]

Yeah there seems to be a number of cars that handle differently depending on wether it's a pad or a wheel thats used. Eclipsee could not get close to his pad time using the wheel in the Shelby and that was a stock arcade car.
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~tosk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=462

Another thing I've noticed too, Throughout the gt series the great equaliser has been the power to weight ratio, I set up a couple of race cars to have the same ratio as the Lotus last night and although I did not spend long on them they needed binoculars to even see the Lotus in the distance.

I'm too idle to faff around room to room to upload my ghost to the pc and then host it but will do if anyone wants it just ask. ( x-port/pal )

edited my previous post btw it was -3 and -2 toe I'd typed 3 and -2.

 

[JParker]

You kinda missed the point chug was trying to make. There is already a thread about this car. Why not add your two cents to that thread instead of starting a whole new thread

 

[panjandrum]

Well, I keep 4 of these cars hanging around, one with each type of suspension, but on many courses I find that the default or sports suspension system is best. This car is already so good that about the only thing you can do is mess it up. Even leaving the Semi Racing or Racing suspensions at default settings makes the car too stiff for many courses and you'll just bounce, lose traction, and then you're done for. I managed to beat a lot of insane competition in this car without any special suspension tuning. And, I'll say this again, Definitely don't use an LSD of any kind with this car. Since it doesn't break the tires loose anyway, all you can accomplish with the LSD is hampering this car's amazing handling characteristics.

Here's my post in another thread about it:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1751684&postcount=8

And, here is a photo of my yellow Elise taking the lead in a 200 point race at Deep Forest in one of the Dream Car Championship (Extreme Events). They never catch me again! Gotta love this car!

 

[Wity]

You kinda missed the point chug was trying to make. There is already a thread about this car. Why not add your two cents to that thread instead of starting a whole new thread

As I already stated any idiot with a brain knows the best setting vary from track to track, car to car. mod to mod. All I see in those other threads is individuals opinions backed up with next to nothing proof which is a total waste of time reading. This thread is car with specific mods a stated track and is hotlap not race specific backed up with times.

panjandrum... If your so convinced it'll run better with lsd set at 0-0-0 go for it mate let's see what you've got.

 

[panjandrum]

panjandrum... If your so convinced it'll run better with lsd set at 0-0-0 go for it mate let's see what you've got.

You can't actually set the Fully Customizable LSD to 0,0,0. Just don't install an LSD on the car (in other words, use the "Standard" deferential). Remember that the primary purpose of the LSD is keep the power to the ground, but the Elise, even fully modded to 331 hp, doesn't have the torque necessary to break the tires loose except under rare circumstances (topping a rise, etc.). Since the most important quality of the Elise is the insanely-great handling (especially tight handling), you don't want to hamper that in exchange for, um, nothing.

The image in my previous post is of an Elise with no LSD taking the lead of a pack of very powerful race-cars. That's about the best I can do in the Elise 111r. If I get time I'll do a few laps at Midfield, but it isn't a track I run unless forced to, so I don't know it well. In fact, I usually b-spec midfield as it just isn't a course I enjoy at all, so you're better off taking out the LSD on your car and then trying it out against your own times.

 

[Wity]

panjandrum... What you say makes sense, so I put it to the test and I agree the car dont need any LSD at all. found something interesting though..

First I altered the lsd to the minimum 5-5-5 and it must have took me 20 attempts to get through the first checkpoint within a length of my ghost, every time the back end was looser you could tell it was slower with your eyes shut just hearing the tyres squeal. Previously I could get in front 3 out of 4 times. So minimum settings are definately not the same as not having it bolted on.

Then I tried without a LSD at all and 3 out of 4 times I was in front bythe same two lengths again. The feel and squeal however was no different to what I've ran with before the 25-28-25 I could tell no difference whatsoever. Within 10 laps I'd bettered my time with a 1:08.009. With 25-28-25 or with no lsd I swear theres zero difference.

Now that made me wonder, thinking about the pc sims for a moment and the gubbins as to how they work. You have a car shell, which visually can look like a blue arsed monkey, absolutely anything, it's the settings within a file that you actually drive. Each file has values for every bolt applied or not and presumably GT4 is no different so I was thinking is no lsd applied giving a default value of 25-28-25 or very simlar or do those values just coincidentally give the same effect? Suppose if I were to load up GT3 and mk's proggy I'd find the answer but I've lent gt3 to a geezer in the pub.

Anyways that led me to studying my replays to find out where time can be gained, I've cracked the 8 with a 1:07.955 With the lSD, and a different gearing. I'm quite chuffed with that so I'm gonna get the camera out and film it to post.

 

[Sprite]

cool findings, i found tho that most cars are a bag of turd with the LSD applied, when using a wheel, but if your finding are true that the settings with no LSD arew the same as having an LSD with a specific setting then, this makes me wonder about alot of things in this game.

@ panjandrum

Are you a wheel user or pad?, because this car is so much different with the wheel, talk about oversteer city, i tend to be a late braker into turns, and with the stock elise with all aids off on midfield the fast chicane, and the last bend the slow left hander, the car just goes wild entering these corners. I always tend to make cars handle this way, but this car is wild under braking.

 

[Wity]

Got my camera out plonked it in front of the telly on a poof and cushions, faffed around for a while sizing the zoom, recorded the run, went back upstairs and an hour later having had to reinstall some drivers as the player was knackered I got the run on the pc. Must have been abot 3 am by then, so I thought I'll host and post it tommorrow. Went back downstairs to turn everything off and thought sod it I'll give it one more go.

1:07.523

Went to bed, next day watched the replay and I could not believe it, Only 1 wheel on the black stuff at one point.

1 bloody inch!! thats all it was.

Did a 107.8?? since and found a weird little trick....

At the Right / Straight / Left and under the last bridge... Started off here as I do normally by not braking till getting onto that straight but without a dab on the brakes whilst taking the Right the car would not straighten up so under braking on the straight it went haywire. Now I find that by taking the Right not flat out in 6th but in 5th she's as straight as a die and the only braking is done on the straight. Sure thats not only got my lap completion percentage up but theres that little time gain their too.

 

[panjandrum]

cool findings, i found tho that most cars are a bag of turd with the LSD applied, when using a wheel, but if your finding are true that the settings with no LSD arew the same as having an LSD with a specific setting then, this makes me wonder about alot of things in this game.

@ panjandrum

Are you a wheel user or pad?, because this car is so much different with the wheel, talk about oversteer city, i tend to be a late braker into turns, and with the stock elise with all aids off on midfield the fast chicane, and the last bend the slow left hander, the car just goes wild entering these corners. I always tend to make cars handle this way, but this car is wild under braking.

I use the DFP, but I don't seem to have any problems with instability during braking. I usually just add the racing brakes and no controller on this car. One thing is that this car really needs downforce at higher speeds. I hate putting a wing on it because it is such a beautiful machine, but if you're running it fast without downforce the rear is just about impossible to manage.

I've found that a downforce of 15/30 is best for all but the tightest courses. If you're on a really tight course you can use 20/30.

In general I agree about the LSD, I can "feel" it forcing the car into a straighter line than I want when I'm cornering. It also seems to do this to MR cars *much* more so than it does to FR or RR cars. In general, I don't use the LSD on cars unless there is an actual need for it. For example the 61 E-Type Jag fully tuned at 450ish hp will shred the tires forever without an LSD, so there really isn't any choice unless you're willing to use TCS. In RR cars like the Alpine 1600s (oh what a sweet machine!), using the LSD helps stabilize the rear but doesn't seem to cause understeer... So, I deal with the LSD on a car-to-car basis because on some it can really help and on others it can make the car a total mess.

 

[VQuick]

This is an interesting thread. I haven't run my Elise at Midfield so I can't really compare. On stock weight, S3 Tires and 241hp, I ran in the 7'40" range at the 'Ring. I'll have to go out on Midfield and see how my settings measure up.