My theory on the world trade centre

[Dudebusta]

ok now i know a lot of americans are going to get pissed off and go nuts in here but id like to have my say.

my theory about the world trade centre is that the u.s government was involved in the planes crashing into the wtc.

america is a country where the econemy is based on war. until now the american econemy has been going downhill, now that they are fighting again, the econemy is getting better.

whenever america hits the skids, a war breaks out and then all this money comes flowing into the econemy and things are better for another 30 or 40 years. its bad again. lets go start some **** somewhere.

it is all a little to coincidental for me. george bush has always wanted to get his missile system into use but has never been given the funding. now he has the funding and can pay for it with tax dollars and say he needs it to protect america.

he really couldnt give 2 ****s about america, all he cares about is being a god infront of a nation and killing the people that were 'supposidly' responsible for the planes crashing into the wtc.

there is no proof of osama bin laden, taliban or the al quaeda's involvement in the plane crashes. nobody has claimed them. all it took was george bush to say that it was osama and that he is involved with the taliban and alqueda and a bunch of trigger happy, pissed off americans went after him.

why hasnt he been caught??? because the u.s government has no ****ing clue where he is.

now george bush couldnt give a rats ass about the taliban and the rest of em. all he wants is for the whole world to bow down to the u.s. i can tell you, its not going to happen. he is screwing around with a time bomb at the moment and its only a matter of time before it blows up in his face.

george bush and colin powell are war mongers. all they like is war because killing people makes them gods infront of his niaeve followers - the american public. they arent going to do anything about isreal, plaestine or iraq, they need to keep the wars going for another 30 or 40 years to build up their econemy to full strength again.

they had the chance to wipe out saddam in the gulf, did they, hell no they didnt. they knew if their econemy was to survive, they needed to keep the pot boiling and wait till they were stuffed again, then they would go ruff him up again.

its all a big pile of crap to me. i just hope that none of my american GTP members families get hurt because of george bush's arrogance.

 

[vat_man]

Hope ya got asbestos undies on! Let the flaming begin!!

 

[troy]

Lets just say i went along w/ ur theroy, one thing i would change is the reason he would do that is to prove to other countries that we have balls, and aren't afraid to goto war. Also it will create an even "better" reputation for the US in the next few decades as a strong country.

 

[Dudebusta]

it doesnt prove that the us has balls, it proves they they are stupid. i guarentee there will be another attack soon, then another and another because george bush is...nevermind.

the us has the biggest balls in the world. better?

 

[Jordan]

Um, right... Let me ask you this: you are the president of the United States, and fanatical terrorists attack the World Trade Center towers. What would you do?

 

[troy]

yea would u just stand around letting them bomb us like a bully against the little geek of the school.

 

[Dudebusta]

first i would find out who actually crashed the planes.

do you actually have any factual evidence that osama, taliban or the al queda are linked???

no...thats right, no you dont.

 

[Puffy]

dudebusta is right, the US gets in everyones bussines and it is no coincedence about Sept.11, twin towers ll (an eleven), Sept.11 1972 US helps military forces take over Chile, stops all food sources and leaves Chile with no food etc., US helps England in Falkland Island war. (more stuff that has to do with 11's but i can't remember)

Was it the US's bussiness...NOOo, then why did they do it, b/c it is good for them.

BTW why does the US think thay're da ****, they've only won one war by themselves all the others have been with help, the only real war the US faught by itself was Vietnam and they lost.

Sorry if i hurt any patriotic souls but it had to be said

 

[Dudebusta]

 

[slip2rock]

oh my god, you don't actually believe this crap do you?

if you want conspiracy theory stick to the moon shots or kennedy or something.

Oh yeah and i don't recall the yanks helping us out in anyway in the falklands other than words to the effect "if you must do it, do it quick, and don't come crying to us if you screw up" which at the time i thought was pretty fair. but feel free to remind me i was only about 13 or 15 at the time.



Slip.

 

[Jordan]

Originally posted by Dudebusta
first i would find out who actually crashed the planes.

And...when you found out it was a terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, lead by Osama Bin Laden...?

do you actually have any factual evidence that osama, taliban or the al queda are linked???

More than enough. You need to watch the news...here's a sample.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/side2/1055687
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/15/osama-qna.htm

dudebusta is right, the US gets in everyones bussines and it is no coincedence about Sept.11, twin towers ll (an eleven), Sept.11 1972 US helps military forces take over Chile, stops all food sources and leaves Chile with no food etc., US helps England in Falkland Island war. (more stuff that has to do with 11's but i can't remember)

Was it the US's bussiness...NOOo, then why did they do it, b/c it is good for them.

Although I'm not very familiar with the incidents you mentioned, I agree the U.S. is involved in too many foreign affairs. But, I think it is our business to prevent the threat and spread of communist governments who would want to create war with either us or our allies.

BTW why does the US think thay're da ****, they've only won one war by themselves all the others have been with help, the only real war the US faught by itself was Vietnam and they lost.

Sorry if i hurt any patriotic souls but it had to be said

I think most Americans with that mindset have it because the U.S. is the one true economic and military "superpower" in the world today, which is true. But it's certainly not an excuse to think you are better than residents of other countries. Please don't generalize all U.S. citizens.

 

[1X83Z]

Thank you, Jordan. Because I am sitting here getting INCREDIBLY mad at Dudebusta.

IF YOU WANT TO BE EXTREMELY LEFT-WING AND COME UP WITH BULL **** THEORIES LIKE THAT, KEEP THEM TO YOUR GOD DAMNED SELF.

Now, anyone who agrees with Dudebusta: GEORGE BUSH DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLANES FLYING INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS BEFOREHAND.

If he issued a warning, what would it do? Drive down the stock market and get one hell of a lot of New Yorkers ticked off or scared.

THE U.S.A. HAS NEVER BEEN IN A WAR. REMEMBER, IN WORLD WAR one AND two we saved England, China's and Australia's NECKS. WE never had to get into that war. NEVER. THE UNITED STATES DROPPED THE NUCLEAR BOMB, NOT ENGLAND OR AUSTRALIA!

And Dudebusta DID YOU say "do you have any factual evidence osama and...al quaeda are linked?" OF COURSE! HE RUNS AL QAEDA. I'm extremely sorry I'm so damn mean, but some people who (obviously) don't know what they're talking about make me extremely mad.

 

[1X83Z]

BTW, mods, feel free to censor this message if you've got to but please don't delete it.

 

[1X83Z]

The Taliban, by the way, took over Afghanistan on September 11, 1996.

And the Falkland Islands were like two bald men fighting over a comb Why did the UK want the Falklands so much??

 

[Voltron]

Originally posted by Dudebusta

america is a country where the econemy is based on war. until now the american econemy has been going downhill, now that they are fighting again, the econemy is getting better.

Based on war?? Not exactly. I think you'll find America does fine on its own if you look into it.

Dudebusta, the only reason I'm responding to this is because it seemed you are serious and are not simply seeking attention... also to make a point.

Why do you hate The US government and/or Bush so? Obviously, YOU have no proof to back your 'theory' so I ask what makes you make these hateful accusations? To state that our leaders are as evil as you have IS, in fact, showing a great deal of hate toward them (that our gov creates a slight increase in economy at the expense of thousands of lives?? come on now). I think this is what you really should be thinking and talking about - your hate towards this government being a kind of hate that can bring a billionaire (or whatever it takes nowa days) to kill thousands of innocent hard-working people.

Think about it. Any government with our kind of power (and who has to answer to its people) will make decisions to 'interfere' with oppression (as defined by that government) of other cultures. It is almost inevitable.

I think our government is not completely right with dispensing its 'Help' and I think the attacks on the Trade Center were completely wrong. If you are siding with the ideals of those terrorists then you are completely wrong.

Also, find many books on world history and the history of war(preferably from multiple countries) and read. READ I tell ya.

 

[slip2rock]

Originally posted by M5Power
The Taliban, by the way, took over Afghanistan on September 11, 1996.

And the Falkland Islands were like two bald men fighting over a comb Why did the UK want the Falklands so much??

why did we want the falklands back? oh good grief...... Right history 101 begins.

first off there was the fact that regardless of how we got it, it was our soverign land.

second, for the same reason as the yanks spanked the taliban, which was mess with me and i'll slap you silly because i can.

third, the british government was unpopular and wanted to get back in power.

and i can't believe any body who went to school doesn't know the main reason we went down there, because we thought there might be oil down around there, you muppet!

we'll gloss over the fact that also us brit's are pretty good in a scrap too and we hadn't had one for a while. we tend to win our wars by the way! which is part of the reason we're over in afganistan with the aussies, 'cos we fight dirty better than you lot because we've had more practice!

And you yanks can stop patting yourselves on the back for WWII because it was the russians who stopped hitler, that and the english channel. the fact that hitler really didn't want to invade england because he secretly hoped that we would come down on his side. not to mention that he had over stretched his supply lines. the reason american joined in (apart from pearl harbour, and that was just going to be a ruck with the Japanese) was because the tide of the war was turning and it looked the communists were going to own far more of asia and europe than they would have liked.

A great man once said "history is written by the victor" learn to read between the lines!

Slip

 

[Joey D]

well you have to keep all theroies open here. I not saying its ture but you can't rule it out. our government keeps alot of **** from us so i i not ruling this out.

 

[Voltron]

Originally posted by slip2rock

And you yanks can stop patting yourselves on the back for WWII because it was the russians who stopped hitler, that and the english channel. the fact that hitler really didn't want to invade england because he secretly hoped that we would come down on his side. not to mention that he had over stretched his supply lines. the reason american joined in (apart from pearl harbour, and that was just going to be a ruck with the Japanese) was because the tide of the war was turning and it looked the communists were going to own far more of asia and europe than they would have liked.

A great man once said "history is written by the victor" learn to read between the lines!

Slip

I agree, we were merely part of the equation... and history should DEFINATELY be read objectively.

 

[Dudebusta]

Jordan:

quote:
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do you actually have any factual evidence that osama, taliban or the al queda are linked???
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to the plane crashes. sorry i didnt make that clear enough.

there is no evidence at all on that situation.

Voltron:

the reason i have hatred towads the us government is because all that george bush's so called 'war on terrorism' will do is create an even worse situation in the world, more people will hate the us government for getting involved where it has no right to get involved, and by this more innocent americans will be hurt in further terrorist/military attacks. american troops in afghanistan were killed my american bombs. this is not something that should happen ANYWHERE.

M5power:

doesnt america have the right to freedom of speech? so does australia. i voice my opinion and i am always open to criticism. and how do you know george bush had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks? just because he said so? even if he didnt, i dont think that WHOEVER crashed the planes meant to topple the towers. they were just stupid and lucky.

jordan if you want to close this thread, thats fine but i would like more feedback on this topic. not just from americans, there are also other nationalities of people here at GTP so feel free to bag me out

 

[Voltron]

Originally posted by Dudebusta

Voltron:

the reason i have hatred towads the us government is because all that george bush's so called 'war on terrorism' will do is create an even worse situation in the world, more people will hate the us government for getting involved where it has no right to get involved, and by this more innocent americans will be hurt in further terrorist/military attacks. american troops in afghanistan were killed my american bombs. this is not something that should happen ANYWHERE.

So, you're now saying that the 'war on terrorism' is a bad idea. I think if you look around you'll find that pretty much every country backs this action. Soldiers are willing to die for good causes and it's safe to say that terrorism (which affects many countries innocent civilians) is a good cause. So, yes, war shoud not happen. People should not die like this. But it does and they do die in fighting for their beliefs. This is understood and accepted. What is not accepted is that people die innocently (without accepting that they might die that particular day for their actions).
Well, I won't reply any more so that you have a better chance of hearing from non-americans as per your request.

 

[Dudebusta]

the war on the taliban and al queda should have been fought long ago. but now george bush is stirring up other countries and saying to the "dont **** around with the u.s or we will blow you up" its not on. should just kick the taliban/al queda's asses and let it be. let the other countries fight between themselves, are they hurting u.s citisens? no. he is just going to cause more trouble.

keep replying, i just meant for other nationalities to get involved and give their opinions too.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Dudebusta


M5power:

doesnt america have the right to freedom of speech? so does australia. i voice my opinion and i am always open to criticism. and how do you know george bush had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks? just because he said so? even if he didnt, i dont think that WHOEVER crashed the planes meant to topple the towers. they were just stupid and lucky.

Dudebusta: Okay I'm not as mad now so I can at least afford somewhat of a logical reply (SOMEWHAT ).

My own opinion (and the opinion of most people who live here) is that George had nothing to do with the World Trade Centres falling. THAT opinion is not absurd. Yours is, somewhat, simply because you've got no proof whatsoever that Bush is secretly dealing with Al-Qaeda (which he would have to be in order to carry out the 'plot' you've stuck him with).

Oh, and about the people who crashed the planes into the towers: I'll agree they're stupid. Who won't?

 

[Puffy]

didn't bush get a phone call saying thet 2 planes were going to be highjacked?

 

[Puffy]

Originally posted by slip2rock
oh my god, you don't actually believe this crap do you?

if you want conspiracy theory stick to the moon shots or kennedy or something.

Oh yeah and i don't recall the yanks helping us out in anyway in the falklands other than words to the effect "if you must do it, do it quick, and don't come crying to us if you screw up" which at the time i thought was pretty fair. but feel free to remind me i was only about 13 or 15 at the time.



Slip.

actually i don't think the US helped, i think it was Chile the one who ****ed us from behind...see if we give them independence again backstabbing bastards

 

[1X83Z]

Puffy: The 'phone call' was way too vague, and if he had told America about it, it would've only gotten people worked up. Which he didn't want to do. Problem was, this time it was true...

 

[Puffy]

well if i got a phone call from international terrorists i'd be more aware wouldn't you

 

[1X83Z]

You don't understand. Bush gets crap like this all the time. Bill Clinton got MANY of these throughout his presidency (and nothing happened...). You've got to ignore them. Remember, since 9-11, we've issued a warning each time we've gotten a threat -- six in all -- and there hasn't been an attack. You can't take everything seriously (Abe Lincoln got two death threats a week, sometimes daily. And he was only shot by one man )

 

[Dudebusta]

didnt say that you had to go along with my theory, thats just my theory. im going to stick with it and i appreciate everyones input.

 

[infallible]

Do you honestly believe yourself? NO seriously read that again and tell me you believe this.

How do you even call this a theory, it lacks evidence all together, it's a conspiracy. That's all. No theory.

You've taken bits and pieces of our history and compiled this conspiracy, which is imho is horse****. Of course that just might be me exemplifying the american niavity.

anyway i have to go and i'll respond to this again in about an hour

 

[1X83Z]

Someone else -- not surprisingly -- agrees with the rest of the world, Dudebusta.