NASCAR at Nurburgring Setup PLEASE!!!

[GT5CHECKMATE]

I am having trouble coming up with a good setup for a NASCAR at this weeks GTN NASCAR race. I need a setup for a NASCAR that will give me three laps under 18:45 (I need 3 because this weeks race is 15 laps and I am going to pit every three laps.)

With my driving style I have found that I need a ride height of at least 4/4 to keep the car from bottoming out. So some of you tuners have at it.

If I don't come up with something quick and ratm485 beats me in another race I am going to have to send someone over to his house to destory his internet connection before every race. And that might get expensive so give me a good one. Right now the best I have gotten is 18:51.599, and he can do that in his sleep.

Right now I am using the Vickers toyota but I have all of them so if there is another car that can get better times/tire wear I will use any one of them that gets me ahead of him. Also if there are any cheat codes that will throw banana peels under his tires I will take that also.

If I can't get a good setup I will also take numbers of anyone who would be willing to go to his house and cut his internet cable, or the number of a supermodel that will go distract him.....wait a minute, if I am going to pay for a supermodel, I am NOT sending her to his house. Scratch that one, but anyway help me out, I don't like losing.

 

[budious]

I have been running the following on a Ford 2010 Carl Edwards' #99 Fusion with good results, don't know how it will work on a Toyota Nascar but you can give it a run:

+ Chassis Reinforcement (for reference, I use it.)
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Note: It's a very small but crucial amount of ballast according my suspension calculations, you can feel the difference if you leave it out.
* Ballast System
@ Ballast Amount: 6KG
@ Ballast Position: +46
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Note: Soft tune... reason for no camber is it wouldn't work very well unless springs and dampers are stiffened; but this is still fast.)
* Suspension
@ Ride Height: -3 / -2
@ Spring Rate: 14.2 / 11.6
@ Extension: 8 / 8
@ Compress: 8 / 8
@ Anti-Roll: 7 / 7
@ Camber: 0.0 / 0.0
@ Toe: 0.00 / 0.00
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* Transmission (Adjust to preference, might be ok for Nur, but not sure...)
@ Top Speed: 236 MPH
@ Final Gear: 4.000
@ 1st: 2.154
@ 2nd: 1.416
@ 3rd: 1.037
@ 4th: 0.808
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*Limited Slip Differential @ 5/5/5
Note: This works pretty well for the engine on limiter at 850MPH imposed and my transmission settings. Tune may also behave differently on Nascars other than #99... try 5/6/5, 6/6/6, 6/7/6... etc. if you have problems, but 5/5/5 usually works.

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Thanks for the info. The #99 is one of my favorite NASCARs and one that I have yet to try here. I will try it and see how it does. Thanks for the reply.

 

[Rich S]

Putting together 3 laps all under 6:15 is a matter of driving skill/ endurance and practice. I've done one lap in 6:07 with just max downforce and gearing set to 236 mph. So the car setup diff is minimal to non-existent imo. I've tried playing around with the toe and camber but it never helps much at all.

The people who are doing the fastest laps in the world are aliens, or perhaps some of them have less input lag somehow. I always was curious to know if connection speed affects grip during online races. Because, its obvious one doesnt have the same grip as offline. IF thats true, then the whole idea of online competition is thrown under the bus because whomever has the fastest connections speeds will win.

 

[budious]

So the car setup diff is minimal to non-existent imo. I've tried playing around with the toe and camber but it never helps much at all.

Woefully inaccurate... stiff suspension will cause wheelspin or require higher LSD settings to compensate. Get the suspension tuned just right for as minimal LSD values as can be applied and you will get a smooth handling Nascar for every corner of the Nur with tire wear on.

 

[Greycap]

Many people have reported this one to be good. It was originally made for Indy grinding but seems to work very well on road courses too.

 

[killerjimbag]

Woefully inaccurate... stiff suspension will cause wheelspin or require higher LSD settings to compensate. Get the suspension tuned just right for as minimal LSD values as can be applied and you will get a smooth handling Nascar for every corner of the Nur with tire wear on.

Ok the guy said he did a 6:07.Take your set-up out and beat the time.

 

[budious]

Ok the guy said he did a 6:07.Take your set-up out and beat the time.

How about he try my tune and tell me his result with it, your method of me providing a time takes no account for driver skill or input. He probably uses a wheel if he drives 6:07 with stock setup on Nur... maybe my tweaks are less noticeable with a wheel than for another pad user like myself. Take other factors in consideration before blabbing off useless replies.

 

[ccevers]

When I saw the title to this thread, I thought it was an oxymoran!

 

[killerjimbag]

How about he try my tune and tell me his result with it, your method of me providing a time takes no account for driver skill or input. He probably uses a wheel if he drives 6:07 with stock setup on Nur... maybe my tweaks are less noticeable with a wheel than for another pad user like myself. Take other factors in consideration before blabbing off useless replies.

You say it is fast and has good results, so post your time.Take your pad and your tune and give us your time,then we can see if we need to tweak your tune.I use a wheel also so I would be interested.No blabbing just asking.Anyone can put up numbers for a tune.Know what just for the hell of it I,m going to test your tune with a DFGT right now.I will post my results.By the way the original poster is a friend of mine and knows my driving skill.I'm sure he will back that up.Just a quick note you have no AERO so I'm using max.

 

[killerjimbag]

How about he try my tune and tell me his result with it, your method of me providing a time takes no account for driver skill or input. He probably uses a wheel if he drives 6:07 with stock setup on Nur... maybe my tweaks are less noticeable with a wheel than for another pad user like myself. Take other factors in consideration before blabbing off useless replies.

Ok just did your tune.

Using a DFGT


Settings

TC set at 1 everything else off ( I race in his league thats all thats allowed)
I set the aero to max as there wasn't anything to reference.


3 laps Nur/Nord
1st lap 6:52.602
2nd lap 6:42:805
3rd lap 6:40.987


Not a bad set-up just don't touch the grass.If this other guy did a 6:07 with max downforce and 236,I'd be doubtful.
Now lets see yours!

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

I have been running the following on a Ford 2010 Carl Edwards' #99 Fusion with good results, don't know how it will work on a Toyota Nascar but you can give it a run:

+ Chassis Reinforcement (for reference, I use it.)
----------
Note: It's a very small but crucial amount of ballast according my suspension calculations, you can feel the difference if you leave it out.
* Ballast System
@ Ballast Amount: 6KG
@ Ballast Position: +46
----------
Note: Soft tune... reason for no camber is it wouldn't work very well unless springs and dampers are stiffened; but this is still fast.)
* Suspension
@ Ride Height: -3 / -2
@ Spring Rate: 14.2 / 11.6
@ Extension: 8 / 8
@ Compress: 8 / 8
@ Anti-Roll: 7 / 7
@ Camber: 0.0 / 0.0
@ Toe: 0.00 / 0.00
----------
* Transmission (Adjust to preference, might be ok for Nur, but not sure...)
@ Top Speed: 236 MPH
@ Final Gear: 4.000
@ 1st: 2.154
@ 2nd: 1.416
@ 3rd: 1.037
@ 4th: 0.808
----------
*Limited Slip Differential @ 5/5/5
Note: This works pretty well for the engine on limiter at 850MPH imposed and my transmission settings. Tune may also behave differently on Nascars other than #99... try 5/6/5, 6/6/6, 6/7/6... etc. if you have problems, but 5/5/5 usually works.

WOW, ya try to help me and get a war started. Thanks for the help BTW. I tried your setup and really liked it. After racing it several times I made some changes that get me better tire wear and fits my driving style a little better. The only changes I made was taking the LSD up to 10/12/14, and adding .5 to both the spring rates, making them 14.7/12.1 (tried going up more but gave it too much grip which made it lose). I also tried different ballest positions but ended up taking it off. I went with my wheel aligment even though yours was a little faster mine gets better tire wear. Camber .5/.5 Toe .10/-.20. Also after trying this setup on several different cars (#24, #99, #43 and the vickers redbull)I have found it actually works best with the #43 ford. I slightly beat my best with a time for three laps in a one person race of 18:51.346. But this time was with the #43 that was still new and only had 865HP.

BTW this is a online time not a practice time. I go into my lounge (when I can get it too myself which is extremely rare) and setup a 3 lap race with heavy damage and real grip (both are standard for our league). This is where I get my times. I can take off roughly 5-7 seconds per lap in practice mode.

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Many people have reported this one to be good. It was originally made for Indy grinding but seems to work very well on road courses too.

I will try this one also. It will be later in the day, but thanks for the reply.

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Putting together 3 laps all under 6:15 is a matter of driving skill/ endurance and practice. I've done one lap in 6:07 with just max downforce and gearing set to 236 mph. So the car setup diff is minimal to non-existent imo. I've tried playing around with the toe and camber but it never helps much at all.

The people who are doing the fastest laps in the world are aliens, or perhaps some of them have less input lag somehow. I always was curious to know if connection speed affects grip during online races. Because, its obvious one doesnt have the same grip as offline. IF thats true, then the whole idea of online competition is thrown under the bus because whomever has the fastest connections speeds will win.

Thanks for the reply, and I agree to a point. While it is true driving ability will make the most difference, I think you are being a little obsurd to say setup makes NO difference. I will guarantee you I can give you a NASCAR that I setup however I wish, then give myself my good setup and I will beat you by over a minute in a one lap race. I mean I can make a setup that is that bad for you, so obviously setups make a difference. Given the same setup I am sure you can stay with me or even beat me, but if you say setups make NO difference then I am going to have to disagree.

If you are talking about a couple guys getting together and running a few laps then it is all about driving skill. But to win a GTN race I can guarantee you the top 7-10 drivers will have all put in over 300 laps this week. At 6 minutes a lap you do the math. That is well over 30 hrs. Some were talking about putting nearly twice that for setups and practice for the first race, and I was one of them. My point is this, with that much practice setups are VERY important. We can all drive, most have a back ground in racing and have done some RL racing. So once everyone knows the track, every curve, and hill, then it comes down to who makes the least mistakes and has the best setup. Driving is the most important part, but setups DO matter...ALOT!!!

 

[GT5CHECKMATE]

Ok just did your tune.

Using a DFGT


Settings

TC set at 1 everything else off ( I race in his league thats all thats allowed)
I set the aero to max as there wasn't anything to reference.


3 laps Nur/Nord
1st lap 6:52.602
2nd lap 6:42:805
3rd lap 6:40.987


Not a bad set-up just don't touch the grass.If this other guy did a 6:07 with max downforce and 236,I'd be doubtful.
Now lets see yours!

The purpose of this thread was to find a setup a NASCAR with all aids that will make you faster. Doing laps without skid really doesn't help me. But thanks for the input.

 

[budious]

You say it is fast and has good results, so post your time.Take your pad and your tune and give us your time,then we can see if we need to tweak your tune.I use a wheel also so I would be interested.No blabbing just asking.Anyone can put up numbers for a tune.Know what just for the hell of it I,m going to test your tune with a DFGT right now.I will post my results.By the way the original poster is a friend of mine and knows my driving skill.I'm sure he will back that up.Just a quick note you have no AERO so I'm using max.

I have been running the following on a Ford 2010 Carl Edwards' #99 Fusion with good results...

Look, if this was a finalized setup then I would have posted it in my tuning thread. I never claimed it was faster than anything else, only that I have had good results with it; meaning I found it to be faster than stock. I never tested this setup on Nurburgring, nor was the gearing for it, 236MPH just happened to be the last thing I had it set to after running the A-Spec Nascar Championship and a few attempts at the Top Gear Nascar Time Trial in Seasonal Events. Aero is not related to the suspension setup as some have argued it is, it's only related to the Camber, and the Camber is related to the suspension setup. So if you want to tinker with Aero and Camber I'll leave it up to you because I haven't even gotten so far as to optimize each for every track in the game... but might want to increase the spring rates by another 1.4x (or w/e front stays below 20.0) proportionally, reduce anti-roll bars down to 4/4 or 5/5, or 4/5 for oversteer, and increase dampers to 9e/9c, 9e/10c, or 10e/10c before trying to maximize usage of Camber... there are a lot more variables I could throw in there than I have tested if you want to find the fastest setup from my base tune, go for it.

The purpose of this thread was to find a setup a NASCAR with all aids that will make you faster. Doing laps without skid really doesn't help me. But thanks for the input.

I only use ABS = 1 when I can, some aids can even slow you down. I hate TCS with a passion; "I must not TCS. TCS is the mind-killer." to misquote Frank Herbert. TCS ruins any natural sense of control any driver will ever have or develop for throttle control because introduces latency to input. SRF, namely unrealistic, but can also counter act your car where a controlled slide might have been preferable. Active Steering makes the car feel hypersensitive to my input even with a pad... I find most of these aids to be more of hindrances in my opinion. You should definitely try to learn driving without any of them except ABS but that's just because GT's braking model is so broken it would be hard to control the cars without it. ASM can be occasionally useful on a few cars, like some that feature it in real life if you tried a race on Nurburgring in the rain.

 

[killerjimbag]

Look, if this was a finalized setup then I would have posted it in my tuning thread. I never claimed it was faster than anything else, only that I have had good results with it; meaning I found it to be faster than stock. I never tested this setup on Nurburgring, nor was the gearing for it, 236MPH just happened to be the last thing I had it set to after running the A-Spec Nascar Championship and a few attempts at the Top Gear Nascar Time Trial in Seasonal Events. Aero is not related to the suspension setup as some have argued it is, it's only related to the Camber, and the Camber is related to the suspension setup. So if you want to tinker with Aero and Camber I'll leave it up to you because I haven't even gotten so far as to optimize each for every track in the game... but might want to increase the spring rates by another 1.4x (or w/e front stays below 20.0) proportionally, reduce anti-roll bars down to 4/4 or 5/5, or 4/5 for oversteer, and increase dampers to 9e/9c, 9e/10c, or 10e/10c before trying to maximize usage of Camber... there are a lot more variables I could throw in there than I have tested if you want to find the fastest setup from my base tune, go for it.



I only use ABS = 1 when I can, some aids can even slow you down. I hate TCS with a passion; "I must not TCS. TCS is the mind-killer." to misquote Frank Herbert. TCS ruins any natural sense of control any driver will ever have or develop for throttle control because introduces latency to input. SRF, namely unrealistic, but can also counter act your car where a controlled slide might have been preferable. Active Steering makes the car feel hypersensitive to my input even with a pad... I find most of these aids to be more of hindrances in my opinion. You should definitely try to learn driving without any of them except ABS but that's just because GT's braking model is so broken it would be hard to control the cars without it. ASM can be occasionally useful on a few cars, like some that feature it in real life if you tried a race on Nurburgring in the rain.

By the way I did say it was not a bad setup.I don't like the ballast myself either an will rework your setup without it.I don't use any driving aids except ABS on 1 and not very often.I know we may have disagreed in the past but constructive interaction will only make the game better for serious drivers.My apologizes if you may have took things the wrong way. I also noticed in your garage that you have been tuning some RM cars.I have quite a bit of set-ups myself and will be posting them in the near future.

 

[budious]

By the way I did say it was not a bad setup.I don't like the ballast myself either an will rework your setup without it.I don't use any driving aids except ABS on 1 and not very often.I know we may have disagreed in the past but constructive interaction will only make the game better for serious drivers.My apologizes if you may have took things the wrong way. I also noticed in your garage that you have been tuning some RM cars.I have quite a bit of set-ups myself and will be posting them in the near future.

The ballast debate was over large quantities, however, in the grand scheme of the suspension pre-tuning formula I have been working on, it takes the weight of the car into consideration. Sometimes adding a small ballast can counter act the weight differences in the formula to provide a closer to optimal spring rate at a desired ride height, removing the small ballast I put there might need to add positive or negative rake to compensate for the change, etc.

 

[PIGBOY]

Are we still going at nascar set ups.seeing as nascars are at road course this week id race that way so i need a base tune,i wanna race online nascars on a roadcourse

 

[dr_slump]

Are we still going at nascar set ups.seeing as nascars are at road course this week id race that way so i need a base tune,i wanna race online nascars on a roadcourse

There are a lot Nascar tunes for road courses. Just have a look at the stickies.