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Good thread. Even Famine is ranting purple. Priceless.
Discussing, and in indigo.Good thread. Even Famine is ranting purple. Priceless.
It's just typical old guard gatekeeping. I've been guilty of it in cinematography (although, a videographer really doesn't know how to expose for a celluloid negative) but now I've had to learn videography in order to keep up with the industry and to stay employed. After getting over myself I've learned to respect videographers and their craft as much as I respect cinematography. He'll come around too, he'll have no choice. Everything is changing and thankfully it's all for the better.
But as inflammatory as that opinion was articulated I also agree that sim racers should support grassroots motorsport and personally also don't have much respect for those just playing whatever sim racing game, and not supporting real motor sports in any way. I get teen agers can't support it, but grown men with the means to help really should, without support all motorsport will die, because the general public just doesn't give a rats ass, it is already seen as fox hunting.
This is sadly very true. There was a study a few years ago in Japan that showed young people were far more interested in social media than in getting a car. Cars are expensive to buy, operate, maintain, but social media is just sitting there on your phone whenever you want it. Need to connect with people? Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, text, whatever. Need to actually see someone? Take a train or a bus. It's so much less expensive. That attitude isn't just for the Japanese any more. Young Americans are increasingly feeling the same way. And if people aren't growing up as car guys/girls, then they're not going to become race fans, either. So you've got the dual problem of racing being too expensive for new racers to break into, and no one growing up to be race fans to watch them.Cars are just not a part of many teenagers world any more other than being a necessary evil.
I'll never understand this generation. When I was growing up you would be fighting over the controller to get a shot. Now people want to watch other folk playing. That is taking laziness to a whole new level.
I can kick a ball about, as can most people, but a few million people each week pay - pay - to watch people who are better than them doing it. And most of them who do, watch them doing it on the television without even leaving the sofa...I'll never understand this generation. When I was growing up you would be fighting over the controller to get a shot. Now people want to watch other folk playing. That is taking laziness to a whole new level.
Yeah but as the nascar driver said this is virtual reality, massive difference.
Does watching people who are much better than me at something become require the thing to be tangible? How is it taking laziness to a new level to sit on your arse watching someone incredibly skilled playing a computer game compared to sitting on your arse watching someone playing football, or racing a car?Yeah but as the nascar driver said this is virtual reality, massive difference.
I don't see how watching people play video games is any different than watching people do anything else, which has been a thing since pretty much the dawn of mankind.
How is it taking laziness to a new level to sit on your arse watching someone incredibly skilled playing a computer game compared to sitting on your arse watching someone playing football, or racing a car?
That would imply that people watching football instead of doing football - or watching racing instead of doing racing - are lazier, because they're watching a physical activity instead of doing it (or anything else physical).I'm not sure laziness was the best word for him to throw out, but I agree with him in so much as I don't really get why people do it either (at least not for entertainment purposes). If I'm sat on my arse watching people play computer games, I pretty much just have to press a button and I can remain sat on my arse, but actually partake of that activity myself, I don't even need to put my beer down. In this way, football isn't analogous at all... the difference between spectating the thing and doing the thing is considerable... it's not when it comes to gaming... so why not do the thing, instead of watching someone else do the thing?
That would imply that people watching football instead of doing football - or watching racing instead of doing racing - are lazier, because they're watching a physical activity instead of doing it (or anything else physical).
So do I, which is why I'm questioning the poster's concept that "this generation ... is taking laziness to a whole new level".I dunno, I think lazy is a harsh judgement of someone who'd rather watch a sport than do it
But still some considerable margin away from being able to do it well enough for other people to watch you doing it. I mean, I'm top 2% or so, but I suck by comparison to the tune of 4s a lap. Nobody's going to pay to watch me - or sign me to an esports team.I think the point is, the difference between spectating (real) motorsport and doing (real) motorsport is evidently massive. I can watch touring cars, but I'll never race one. The difference between spectating (virtual) motorsport and doing (virtual) motorsport is reasonably small - if you have the means to watch it, you're probably not far off the means to do it.
Simply put playing a computer game doesnt take up to much energy to do.
To not even be bothered to play games anymore and just watch is weird and lazy.