NASCAR Truck Series S6

[Spurgy 777]

Well i'd certainly like SSRX and Motegi West to not descend into spinning each other. Akmuq and Spurgy raced for the win, and Spurgy came off worse, if they had fresher tyres the both of them wouldn't have happened. RPH was a bit too aggressive in that pass, there's "bump and run" and "shove and run".

Well I would come off worse if he shoved me in the wall, old tyres don't make any difference.

 

[Furinkazen]

But you didn't get one for this (more important) Motegi incident and instead thought "Oh, I will definitely not take a 1-2 "win" away from RPM, they can just have warnings, as warnings are meaningless". And that was that.

Right, same as I slapped myself on one after my misjudgement with Matty at Daytona...

@Spurgy, right, old tyres that make you lose control easier make no difference. Right

 

[Carbonox]

Right, same as I slapped myself on one after my misjudgement with Matty at Daytona...

You know, arguing with you seems pretty pointless because you entirely ignore the Motegi race and only try to point out stuff from Daytona.

I don't give a 🤬 about who you penalized and/or warned at Daytona. I want a fair verdict on the Motegi incident, and a fair verdict can not come from an RPM (or Pepsi) driver.

 

[Furinkazen]

You know, arguing with you seems pretty pointless because you entirely ignore the Motegi race and only try to point out stuff from Daytona.

I don't give a 🤬 about who you penalized and/or warned at Daytona. I want a fair verdict on the Motegi incident, and a fair verdict can not come from an RPM (or Pepsi) driver.

Right, well maybe you will give a 🤬 if I told you i'm currently uploading and sending away the last two laps at Motegi.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Right, same as I slapped myself on one after my misjudgement with Matty at Daytona...

@Spurgy, right, old tyres that make you lose control easier make no difference. Right

So, if say we were all racing on SS tyres, you would consider it acceptable for people to shove other people in the wall every lap, because we have less grip? Having less grip isn't an excuse to push people into the wall to beat them.

 

[Furinkazen]

Since when did SS tyres come into this?

EDIT: Video's uploaded to the GTP Truck Series youtube channel and sent away. I'll get info back in around 8-10 hours time.

 

[Matty]

I have a fair idea of who the independent adjudicator is, and if I'm correct I'm confident (depending on what the ruling is) about my pass at Daytona. And also somewhat confident on the last lap incident at Motegi.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I have a fair idea of who the independent adjudicator is, and if I'm correct I'm confident (depending on what the ruling is) about my pass at Daytona. And also somewhat confident on the last lap incident at Motegi.

Probably Joe And Furi you completely missed my point, I was just using SS as an example of another situation where you would have less grip. If, FOR EXAMPLE, everyone was running on SS, it wouldn't be considered acceptable to push people into the wall just because there is less grip than on RH. Just like it shouldn't be acceptable to push people into the wall on a worn set of tyres, just because you have less grip than a fresh set.

 

[Furinkazen]

And if you put yourself on the outside with someone with crap tyres below you and yours not much better then of course your going to risk getting into the wall....

 

[Matty]

Of course you run he risk of that but lets put it this way, what did akmuq do to me when I was leading with 6 to go in S4? What did he do to Spurgy on the run out of 4 for nthe chequer? The same thing, give no room and slam the car into the wall.

Would you find it accepable if I were to do the same to you on the last lap for example?

He has a history of doing it...

 

[Furinkazen]

 

[Akmuq]

Of course you run he risk of that but lets put it this way, what did akmuq do to me when I was leading with 6 to go in S4? What did he do to Spurgy on the run out of 4 for nthe chequer? The same thing, give no room and slam the car into the wall.

Would you find it accepable if I were to do the same to you on the last lap for example?

He has a history of doing it...

Matty, I looked at it like a month after cause you kept going on about it and saw that it was me who was leading, not you, and that it wasn't my fault, you had just put you're car in a position of which will cause a crash, absolutely nothing I could do about it, so don't say I've a history when the first one was not my fault.

As for what all you are giving out about, haven't even looked at it.

Edit: Probably worth noting that on Friday I didn't feel any contact out of the final turn, cause that looks like lag, in which case I should probably improve my connection. And NOT use Skype in the race RPH.

 

[Furinkazen]

01 JoeOfTheFire 310.335 #
02 Jammy 310.358 #
03 Legacy 310.407
04 Akmuq 310.482 #
05 Furi 310.593 #
06 Dave 310.787

 

[Matty]

Akmuq, mavbe it was you who was leading and I was wrong there, but saying I'm putting my car in a position where I'm only gonna crash when I'm just trying to run the outside grove.. No not going to accept that.

If you can't run the outside without putting 'you're car in a position of which will cause a crash' then we may as well not bother with the race and just give out points based on Quali results.

 

[Furinkazen]

Right, I have just spoken to MustangRyan, AKA Droptop2001GT, a NASCAR Truck Series champion on GTP and one of the most respected oval racers here for his views on the incidents. He will review Motegi afterwards, but this is his (directly quoted from PM) view on Matty's pass.

I've gotten enough of a look at the first video on my phone that I feel that it is about as borderline as it can be. I could understand ruling for or against it. There was probably enough room to get the entire truck inside without going below the yellow line, but he still went below the yellow when he attempted the pass, and then he was pinched down there after he got there.

Could that pass be made legally? Probably.
Was that pass made legally? Probably not.
Was he squeezed down? Definitely.

So, who is at fault? I have no idea.

The trucks are heavy, and with a full lead draft (192+ mph), they can sway from side to side pretty hard when turned. I can't see what shape his tires are in, but if they are bad, that might also have caused some of the side-sway that put him below the yellow line.

What would you do if you were him in that exact scenario coming out of turn 4 on the last lap? Would you turn down for the small opening on the inside, push the truck in front of you, or try to swing out wide (which looked blocked)? I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing he did.

However, I would have tried to stay on the outside of the yellow line under all circumstances. I would have made the car in the middle have to physically force me below the yellow line, so that I couldn't be blamed. It's your call, and it's not an easy one, as I see it.

As a result, my call was to penalise Matty, and the decision will be upheld.

 

[Akmuq]

Akmuq, mavbe it was you who was leading and I was wrong there, but saying I'm putting my car in a position where I'm only gonna crash when I'm just trying to run the outside grove.. No not going to accept that.

If you can't run the outside without putting 'you're car in a position of which will cause a crash' then we may as well not bother with the race and just give out points based on Quali results.

Fine don't.

 

[Matty]

Fine don't.

As a result, my call was to penalise Matty, and the decision will be upheld.

And the day goes from bad to worse...

How come I don't get a warning like I would if I purposely wrecked everyone?

 

[RedPartyhat]

you had just put you're car in a position of which will cause a crash, absolutely nothing I could do about it, so don't say I've a history when the first one was not my fault.

Grammar Nazi missiles incoming!!!

And the day goes from bad to worse...

How come I don't get a warning like I would if I purposely wrecked everyone?

Because, that would be fair

 

[Dano20]

After talking with furi over pm he has let me be apart of this. It looks interesting.
My promise I will not do divebombs or anything illegal and if I do penalise me l.
Team name: don't have one
800th post

 

[Furinkazen]

Anyone still wanting to do SSRX Quali now?

 

[Dano20]

Can I come for abut of practice

 

[Furinkazen]

Can I come for abut of practice

Sure

 

[Litchi]

800th post

Grats! Will be considered as dedicated member from 10000 posts

 

[Furinkazen]

Grats! Will be considered as dedicated member from 10000 posts

Thats you screwed

Room still up.

 

[raceorama123432]

Room still up.

Gunna give this week a miss, I'll let things calm down for now

 

[Furinkazen]

Gunna give this week a miss, I'll let things calm down for now

Hey if Q ya might get in

 

[Furinkazen]

This is tough. Spurgy now winner, Akmuq P2, RPH P3.

In the first half of video #2, it really looks like the truck on the inside deliberately runs the outside truck up into the wall on corner exit. There is no way that is enough room to come out of the corner when you know that there is another driver on your outside. I don't care how old the tires are, you always have a responsibility to pass cleanly, even if you are on the inside lane.

That was Akmuq inside, Spurgy outside.

OK, then Akmuq showed no regard for the truck to his outside (Spurgy). He drove it off the corner like he was the only person there, which was not the case.

You can't take points away from someone (Spurgy) that didn't do anything wrong. Keeping Spurgy in third place and giving a 3-pt penalty to Akmuq is still more damaging to Spurgy, as he would still get less points than Akmuq for that race, 17 (20-3) to 16 when he would have outscored him 20-18 had he won the race.

If you feel like Spurgy 100% would have won the race if not for the contact, then I would penalize Akmuq one position and change the finishing order. Remember, Akmuq would have had to exit the corner a little slower to leave Spurgy enough room to exit the corner safely.

In this case, I find it hard to look at what Akmuq did, and think that he was innocent. Spurgy tried to pass on the outside on the last lap, and got squeezed. Akmuq had the inside, all he had to do was keep it there, and leave enough room on his outside. He didn't do it.

As for Carbon and RPH... no action except for a warning.

I looked at the second incident, and it looks like RPH hits him square in the back in an acceleration zone coming out of the corner. I would not be OK with a huge bump going in the corner (in a braking zone) that would push a car out of the racing line, but I don't have a big problem with a straight bump coming out of a corner, especially since he wasn't pushing the other car out of the way (hitting door-to-door, or inside a rear-fender). I'm assuming RPH had much better tires, and just had much better drive off of the corner? To me, this looks more like straight-on bump-drafting than pushing someone out of line.

It also looks like RPH is the only guy that went outside before turning down into turn 3. As such, it appears as if he is the only one with the correct angle to drive out from the bottom lane on the exit of turn 4, which he did, and with a lot of speed. While I see the bump in the middle of the corner that drew the initial complaint, I don't see anything that looks like it put the truck in front of him out of position or outside of his current racing line. It looks like RPH set himself up to carry more speed and exit low, which he did. A light straight-on bump in an acceleration zone shouldn't draw a penalty, in my opinion.

RPH got a warning... too lenient?

I think it's the worst he should get. He went outside, set himself up for a wide entry, low exit, carried a lot of speed, and just put a little bump on the truck in front of him. It didn't even knock the truck in front of him out of the way. RPH just drove under him once the track opened up on corner exit. That's what it looks like from here.

Oh and:

01 JoeOfTheFire 310.335 #
02 Jammy 310.358 #
03 Legacy 310.407
04 Dano 310.467
05 Akmuq 310.482 #
06 Furi 310.593 #
07 Dave 310.787

 

[RedPartyhat]

I get a warning for bumping a slower car mid turn that chose to take a horrible entry even though on the lap before, Spurgy was bumping Carb in turn 3 and 4 very similarly to what I did to get me a warning, and nearly took Carb out (lap 83). Makes sense if I don't think about it I guess...

And not saying that the Akmuq penalty is unfair, but I doubt Spurgy would have won with all the momentum I had coming in to push Akmuq

 

[Furinkazen]

01 JoeOfTheFire 310.335 #
02 Jammy 310.358 #
03 RedPartyHat 310.404 #
03 Legacy 310.407
04 Dano 310.467
05 Akmuq 310.482 #
06 Furi 310.593 #
07 Dave 310.787

Also unofficially Akmuq 310.282.

 

[BooyakaDragon]

Might give it a go, but me and transmission aren't nice to each other XD