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No, we'd be driving 4 wheel drive Trans Ams by Subaru. Gun rack optional.
National Parks, the Amish, and Hybrid Cars: Enough Ranting for Ten of Us
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Heh heh... reminds me of that one article that Brock Yates wrote about, saying how part of the enjoyment in auto racing is the risk factor (in other words, he was b****ing about auto racing becoming too safe
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There are Amish who have accepted technology and they are called Mennonites/Huterites/insert radical Amish splinter group here. The Amish will and do use modern technology when it is in relation to a job but at home they still read by oil lamps and hitch up the wagon to go to town. I live in area that is one of the centers of Amish heritage in the US and I am around them on an almost daily basis and I say rock on and live how you want to if that makes you happy. Not only are there Amish is North central/North eastern Indiana and Eastern PA but there are also settlements of Amish in Ohio, upstate New York and Tuscola, Illinois.
1 - If people are paying the Govt money to see these places, that's less tax YOU have to pay. I love discretionary taxes. On the conservation point, at least it's somewhere that won't have idiots on motorbikes riding through it, or nuclear waste dumped on it.
2 - That's their choice. I'm very much of the opinion that as long as you don't harm me, you can do what you like. I don't understand why you'd do that either, but then I don't understand why people gamble thousands of dollars on poker machines either, so maybe it's just me.
3 - Well, I wouldn't call the very limited sales of hybrid cars sufficient to call it a 'wave' - but your comments do highlight something that a lot of people here don't seem to understand. The environmental issue with cars and oil isn't about oil running out - it's about pollution and traffic. Cars are major produces of greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide - and if you think global warming's a scam, do some research on the hottest years on record, glaciers retreating and extreme weather.
It will be interesting to see Govts deal with this issue - I suspect petrol driven cars are doomed in the longer term (and we're talking 20 years plus here), but we'll still run internal combustion engines - it's just a question of what we'll be burning. The issue with electric cars is you're just moving the problem from the tail pipe to the power plant.
2 - That's their choice. I'm very much of the opinion that as long as you don't harm me, you can do what you like. I don't understand why you'd do that either, but then I don't understand why people gamble thousands of dollars on poker machines either, so maybe it's just me.
3 - Well, I wouldn't call the very limited sales of hybrid cars sufficient to call it a 'wave' - but your comments do highlight something that a lot of people here don't seem to understand. The environmental issue with cars and oil isn't about oil running out - it's about pollution and traffic. Cars are major produces of greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide - and if you think global warming's a scam, do some research on the hottest years on record, glaciers retreating and extreme weather.
It will be interesting to see Govts deal with this issue - I suspect petrol driven cars are doomed in the longer term (and we're talking 20 years plus here), but we'll still run internal combustion engines - it's just a question of what we'll be burning. The issue with electric cars is you're just moving the problem from the tail pipe to the power plant.
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A difference in weather patterns, even being opposite to what it usually is is not sufficient to validate a theory.
I've heard that computer models that have tried to retroactively predict weather patterns have been wrong. I've also heard that despite having around 90% of the world's cars the US does not have the worst amount of pollution, though that may be because of the less regulated industries in other nations compounding the matter with greater pollution.
I've heard that computer models that have tried to retroactively predict weather patterns have been wrong. I've also heard that despite having around 90% of the world's cars the US does not have the worst amount of pollution, though that may be because of the less regulated industries in other nations compounding the matter with greater pollution.
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That brings global warming to mind... You know the whole global warming thing and how the polar ice caps are supposedly going to melt, well if they do and were using the hydrogen and such from water, maybe we could prevent the world from being flooded over with water, if there are enough water to hydrogen plants, eh?
Just a thought.
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That brings global warming to mind... You know the whole global warming thing and how the polar ice caps are supposedly going to melt, well if they do and were using the hydrogen and such from water, maybe we could prevent the world from being flooded over with water, if there are enough water to hydrogen plants, eh?
Just a thought.
Heh - sure could do with some water here at the moment...
Hydrogen is possibly the next step, but storage is an issue, and it costs more energy to release hydrogen from water than you realise by burning it.
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The problem with all of this is that it is very important that the interpretation of data be as agreeable among as many experts, facts all indisputable, as is possible. As many argue for no war without proof, for a nation to remove itself from programs to get oil from states (which, in theory, would also affect the strength of intelligence between the states, which may be need badly, by lessening the oil selling states relevance), by citing dubious evidence coupled with the argument that a nation aids its destruction by funding terrorist states one is presented with a possible security strategy but not a replacement of what may be vital intelligence. Another matter to consider is how other nations will react to a state removing itself as a buyer of terrorist oil. We all know that issues such as human rights have never seemed sufficient to convince nations to risk economic difficulty. So if we assume that the US uses its influence to control how the Saudis sell their oil, why would it be absurd to think we cannot be replaced? Even with the preference for energy diversity in Europe, their economic difficulties might cause desperation.
And it is doubtful that, if it is true that changing to different energy sources other than fossil fuels (Is nuclear fission or fusion considered a fossil fuel?) would result in severe economic difficulties, that other nstions will simply show empathy and allow the weakened state special deals to help it recover; might get some, but who knows if it will be enough.
Finally, let's assume that environmentalists turn out to be largely wrong, the environmentalist would be faced with the problem of how to address those people who lost their jobs in the industries effected by policies of theirs. This they are obligated to consider.
And it is doubtful that, if it is true that changing to different energy sources other than fossil fuels (Is nuclear fission or fusion considered a fossil fuel?) would result in severe economic difficulties, that other nstions will simply show empathy and allow the weakened state special deals to help it recover; might get some, but who knows if it will be enough.
Finally, let's assume that environmentalists turn out to be largely wrong, the environmentalist would be faced with the problem of how to address those people who lost their jobs in the industries effected by policies of theirs. This they are obligated to consider.
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No, I'm ok as long everyone respects the consequences and promises to be fair.
And doesn't our cost affect the world economy?
And, Vat, you can do better than that. No offense.
And doesn't our cost affect the world economy?
And, Vat, you can do better than that. No offense.
But we also have to pay a park maintenance tax! It might be a state tax, and it's especially prevalent in Illinois because we've got weird rather new parks like the 'Wildlife Prairie Park' that we now have to pay for, and it isn't cheap to fund all those buffalo. The biggest problem I've got with the parks is that it appears the government's sole purpose is to make money.
:thumbsup: It is their choice, I agree, and I also do not understand why they make that choice. Oh, and - what's a 'pocket machine?'
I'm unsure - here in America, hybrid car sales are far from limited. Today I saw two Insights, six Priuses, and a Civic Hybrid, and remember - Honda and Toyota lose money on every one of these they sell.
Greenhouse gases and cars are a huge problem, and even with hybrid cars a problem which doesn't go away. But the thing is that cars, although a major problem, aren't the only culprit. Greenhouse gases are emitted everywhere, from buildings to airplanes - and I don't think you'll find airplanes with a hybrid engine (er, four or six engines) anytime soon.
Yes - I gulp up technology, and go to work each week just so I can get rejuvinated on the approaching weekend and start it all over again next Monday. My company owns several of my assets, so I'm fearful of quitting and leaving behind my life with a point. I would love to say that my life's point is to make a difference, but in truth, it isn't. Also, I'm fairly afraid of marriage or doing anything to leave the secure comfort zone I'm in now, and I'm becoming more boring as the years progress...
...duh.
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Yes - I gulp up technology, and go to work each week just so I can get rejuvinated on the approaching weekend and start it all over again next Monday. My company owns several of my assets, so I'm fearful of quitting and leaving behind my life with a point. I would love to say that my life's point is to make a difference, but in truth, it isn't. Also, I'm fairly afraid of marriage or doing anything to leave the secure comfort zone I'm in now, and I'm becoming more boring as the years progress...
...duh.
So... Amish lives have no point and non-Amish lives do have a point.
Is that your point?
you guys forgot the amish in wisconsin. in fact, the u.s. supreme court passed a decision in the case Wisconsin v. Yoder granting Amish the right to pull their kids from school in 8th grade to protect their culture and their way of life.
public school ruining kids? gee, now THERE'S a strange idea! (fyi, i'm laying down more sarcasm than most kids' mommas when they say "of course we wanted you")
on another note, why worry about pollution? it'll just float out of the hole in the ozone. that's what it's there for! it's like the hole in the bottom of the toilet. it lets all the *expletive deleted* out.
chaos, confusion, and disorder: my work here is done.
public school ruining kids? gee, now THERE'S a strange idea! (fyi, i'm laying down more sarcasm than most kids' mommas when they say "of course we wanted you")
on another note, why worry about pollution? it'll just float out of the hole in the ozone. that's what it's there for! it's like the hole in the bottom of the toilet. it lets all the *expletive deleted* out.
chaos, confusion, and disorder: my work here is done.
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