Need suggestions for a good tuning experiment car.

[rk]

i noe that was sarcasm, but would u mind telling us anyways?

Not sarcasm at all. I was simply trying to gently hint at a way to avoid getting this thread closed. Sooner or later some concerned member might report this thread if it continues to be inappropriate for a "tuning and settings" forum.

 

[aprilia4life]

Not sarcasm at all. I was simply trying to gently hint at a way to avoid getting this thread closed. Sooner or later some concerned member might report this thread if it continues to be inappropriate for a "tuning and settings" forum.

You can't be serious? Have you read the topic of this thread "What's a good car with a crappy racing suspension setup, just itching to be tweaked (tuned)?"

Asking what car is useful to learn how to Tune and Set (See topic of subforum) is not related to this subforum? I don't know what the hell you are on about... you are seriously scaring me.

Stop taking away from the thread, other people are quite willing to contribute in a positive way, why can't you?

 

[rk]

You can't be serious? Have you read the topic of this thread "What's a good car with a crappy racing suspension setup, just itching to be tweaked (tuned)?"

Asking what car is useful to learn how to Tune and Set (See topic of subforum) is not related to this subforum? I don't know what the hell you are on about... you are seriously scaring me.

Stop taking away from the thread, other people are quite willing to contribute in a positive way, why can't you?

I am sorry you feel so disenfranchised, perhaps it is because you have posted your question in the wrong forum. I am not a moderator, so cannot make such decisions, but it seems to me this thread belongs in the "General GT4" forum, where discussions about cars and their characteristics are held.
This forum, titled "GT4 Car Tuning & Settings" is where actual tuning theory and tune sets are posted. I would say that at this point we have established you do not intend to provide answers to the "25" posters who are indeed trying to follow the intent of the "Tuning & Settings" forum, to which end they have thus far been thwarted.

The title of this thread, despite being re-defined in your previous post, implies that you are asking people to post their problem cars so that you can offer tuning advice, and this assertion is supported in the nature of the questions. If you had clearly defined your intent to gather categorical data, I believe 356c would not have offered the set-up he posted, which is the only tuning advice or data in this thread.
I consider your action of posting private conversations in public forum without requesting acknowlegment to be extremely rude and in poor taste. I also believe were it not for my initial request, you would never have posted in this thread again, as I had pointed out earlier, you went over a month in the interim.
You are welcome to invite a member to "moderate". I will, as always, respect and abide by any requests or advice posted.

If nothing is done, I am confident that the "tune request" posts will continue to pile on as long as this thread remains current, or open. if you would like to continue allowing these seekers to go unanswered, I believe it is a good indication of your intentions.

Finally, if the simple facts and opinions I am posting are scaring you, perhaps it is for good reason, although I cannot even begin to fathom the sensation, much less why it would do so.

 

[Duke]

I have to agree with rk's fundamental concern with the thread. The title is ambiguous and has led to people asking for tunes for particular cars, though that's not the intent.

Now, that in itself has indirectly answered the question, however unintentionally. People have brought their problem cars to the thread. Whether those cars are ones that fit the criteria of responding to tuning remains to be seen, but it is a start.

I do also have to agree that the thread starter probably would not have come back without having his attention drawn to it. However, with only a few posts in 3 months of membership, he could just be a person of few words.

Whether this thread should be here or on the main board is an open question. It could be either place. Technically it makes more sense on the main board, where car discussions go, but for practical purposes it is OK here where it will attract the attention of tuners and suspenstion people. So I'll leave it since there is no compelling reason to move it.

In the mean time, I'm going to ask you boys to play nice, and I'm going to retitle the thread to something more accurate.

 

[djaft3rb3ats]

exactly, the last car that someone said was the mercedes, then there was like 1 before that, lol

 

[aprilia4life]

Sorry if my original post was not correctly worded so as to be misinterpreted. The replies to it seemed to be answering my intended question so I didn't feel the need to contribute more to this thread. Oh, and I found Colin Mcrae Rally 2005

 

[djaft3rb3ats]

the game??...bleh, im going off topic too, crap

yes, a good car to tune would be the sleigthy drift, its a bit tough for me

 

[AdrenaChrome]

Cizeta is the best car I find when tweaked. Its purely amazing in the straights just a bit scary when applying the brakes especially at route246. Lightening kits and some hardcore brake tweaks really bring out this cars true potential.

Spring Rate: F/R (10.0/15.0)
Ride Height: F/R (90/90)
Shock Bound: F/R (5/7)
Shock Rebound: F/R (5/7)
Camber Angle: F/R (3.5/1.0)
Toe Angle: F/R (3/0)
Stabilizers: F/R (1/3)

Brakes: F/R (2/10)

Special Stuff...
ASM Oversteer- 3
ASM Understeer- 5
TCS- 1

Lightening: Stage3
Stiffness (rigidity)

Tires: RS (racing soft)


...Its a bit diffrent and you gotta feather on the brakes before locking them in turns. I swear you will love this car when you get used to driving it, its a complete beast in sprints.

 

[Cruiserdude]

-GT40 comes to mind right away. It can be driven but needs a lot of work to be enjoyable and not spin out over bumps while cornering.

-The 69 Camaro isnt all that great either unless you spend a significant amount of time to tune it.

-Yellow bird also had complaints from a lot of members about the handling. Massive understeer in the corners and weak brakes.

There are a lot more but I would say the GT40 would be a good start. Take it to any of the tracks with some bumps and sharp corners.

Well, you can't completely tame the GT40, it suffers from irrepairable bump steer. Unfortunately, GT4 does not have the option of relocating the steering tie rods or LCA ball joints (or anything else that would allow you to change suspension geometry) so the bump steer will still be there. Also, if they included adjustable ball joints and control arms, it would be possible to lower the cars center of gravity then relocate the roll center closer to the center of gravity, thereby shortening the roll couple and greatly reducing body roll. Typically when a car is lowered much past stock, the center of gravity is lowered, but the roll center drops more than the c of g. So, while the c of g is lower, the roll couple (distance between c of g and roll center) increases, causing more body roll and negating any positive effects from lowering the c of g. Relocating the ball joints or changing the length of the control arms brings the roll center back up closer to the c of g allowing you to decrease the roll couple. Oh well, maybe we'll get all that in GT5.