Never thought a Bimmer could look this good...

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It's suh-weet!
I could do without the gull-wing doors. And it would still look awesome.
 
How wet could you get trying to get into those doors in the rain?
Imagine them coming down whilst getting into the car too slowly...
Pretty? Yes indeed! Practical? Not really.
At least if they were "true" gullwing doors they would keep you dry. These will cut your foot off like a guillotine if you aren't very vigilant, when getting in to that beautiful car.
If that happens you won't even be able to drive yourself to the ER 'cuz you just amputated your clutch foot.
 
No, you would jam your foot. Gullwings open up and out. Your thinking of scizzor doors, that just open up and down; like bringing your hand up to your shoulder, your arm being the door.
 
I don't really see how these doors effect things like getting wet in the rain any more than standard doors. The only issue might be that they swing up and out to an area that isn't normally expected to have a door in it. Some parking garadges might not accomodate for them.

My favorite are still the doors that pop straight out and then twist forward and up. That makes the most sense to me.
 
I bet those doors would leave a nice quarter circle gouge in the side of anything that parks next to it...

I like the true gull wing doors, like on the AZ-1. Becides those, regular swing out doors offer more practicality, easability, and control than any other door. On the early MPVs(the 3 door and 4 door MPVs without sliding doors), the doors open a full 90 degrees, it's awsome. We've used the extra angular motion tons of times when loading stuff or people or animals for that matter. It's the best.
 
BMW could keep this generation of bodystyles for the rest of time. It is the perfect design for beuty, strength etc. I dont see any reason to change to some drastic looking design.



TRUE gullwing doors open directly upwards.
 
I bet these leak like a sieve, regardless of how wet or injured you may be while you're getting in and out.
 
Like I said, the AZ-1, 12sec.

I even have an animation and interactive movie of the AZ-1's driver's door opening and closing. I might get it posted up in here...
 
Roll and eyes.

The most practical door for a consumer is a sliding door, and there's nothing you can say to change the facts. They take about four inches to open, close right into the body, and look the exact same as a normal door.
 
the only problem is the 3 feet you need behind them wouldnt be practical on anything but a minivan. you cant change the facts, lol. You seem very opinionated. You also seem close minded to other opinions. You are right, period, no one elses point could be accepted by you.

As for the car, I prefer non-ricey BMWs.
 
Naa Doug, no doors are more practical! Like a WWII Jeep!

"The new Mazda 6 with the optional "no doors" package..."
:lol:

Sliding doors are quite un-practical untill they are open. With a sliding door you have the problem of the exterior and interior tracks. On a car like the RX-8, a track on the side would really mess it up, HARD!. Also, they absolutely have to be only the back doors of a car with more than 1 door on one side. Otherwise you'd have doors hitting each other, or the tracks would have to be on the roof and crap. Impossible to manufacture in mass production.
Even on vans, sliding doors can easily hurt people. Parking downhill, with the door held open, you let og of that door and it's gonna go pretty damn fast forward and slam shut. Put a body part in there, and the person will either be mostly in the vehicle or out of the vehicle. :D There's also those electric sliding doors. Sure it works great when the electrics work, but when they don't, like if the battery dies or something bad happens, the door weighs more and becomes harder to slide.

The only major problem with standard doors is at angles. And most parking lots don't have enough of an angle to cause problems. Sure you can get your finger stuck in the door(I know I have...my mom's old '80 Corrola 2 door hatch...no door frame on the window on the door or on the side of the car, so my thumb was smashed between 2 pieces of glass...worse yet, it was at my elem. school, and I was locking the door for my mom(luckily she walked out with me and was able to help), so the door didn't close all the way, but it was locked with my thumb in there. Hurt!), but on most parking lots the door closes with the force you put on it to close, not usually with gravity, so it's not going to be a horrific injury.
You can get hurt with any door...

Well, a doggy door might work....naa!!
 
Ohh, and doors without window frames suck. My dad's Probe GT doesn't have the window frames(like the BMW above), the window just goes against the weather-stripping on the body. The passenger side window doesn't fit right in there like it should, and there's a lot of wind noise till you roll down the window and roll it back up(power windows ofcouse!), and there's really no way to fix it other than re-aligning the door(the door on the Probe is aligned perfectly), where-as on doors with window frames you can bend the frame to fix wind noise or other problems. Also the frames add strength.

BTW, did my animation work? The AZ-1 one I mean...it's interactive.
 
Worked fine. Pretty cool too. And i agree on the frames. Its also annoying to close doors without frames, cuz you dont want to push toooooo hard for fear of doing something to the glass. Sure, its probably not going to hurt it, but do u really want to have to find out?
 
Exactly! Whenever I close the Probe's door, I kinda have to reach down and push it by the door instead of the window...the window also moves back and forth a fair amount, so it's really odd closing the door with the window...
 
Originally posted by advanR
the only problem is the 3 feet you need behind them wouldnt be practical on anything but a minivan.

Uh, what normal cars don't have three feet behind or in front of their doors? :confused:
 
Originally posted by MazKid

Sliding doors are quite un-practical untill they are open. With a sliding door you have the problem of the exterior and interior tracks.


What problem is created by having tracks?

Also, they absolutely have to be only the back doors of a car with more than 1 door on one side. Otherwise you'd have doors hitting each other, or the tracks would have to be on the roof and crap. Impossible to manufacture in mass production.

There could always be a track on the front that could be integrated into the styling lines.

Parking downhill, with the door held open, you let og of that door and it's gonna go pretty damn fast forward and slam shut. Put a body part in there, and the person will either be mostly in the vehicle or out of the vehicle. :D There's also those electric sliding doors. Sure it works great when the electrics work, but when they don't, like if the battery dies or something bad happens, the door weighs more and becomes harder to slide.

Well, for one thing, parking downhill with any door is a challenge when entering and exiting. My idiot brother broke his ankle when the door of his 1996 Ford Explorer slammed into it. And also, the remote-activated sliding doors are certainly not heavier, since the doors run off the car battery and the only extra things in the doors are a small amount of wires.
 
Originally posted by advanR
................all cars, what the hell do you mean?

Re-read the question. What normal cars don't have about two and a half feet in front of or behind the doors?
 
Dang, and all I did was say I didn't like the doors!:eek:
Overall, I am crazy about the 3-series BMW's. Have been since the 1978 320i. Was completely sold the first time I rode in one, in about 1982-83.
It was a 2.0 liter 4cyl. I imagine that the 6 cyl. would require the wearing of a depends.
That 320 nearly scared the piss out of me. I imagine the newer more advance "3" would wipe out all sphincter control:lol:

I do wish they would bring back the 6-series already.
As fond as I am of the 3-series. I will always get weak-kneed in the prescense of a well-kept Alpina 633.
 
i understood your question. dont tell me to go read it like i misunderstood. and yes all (or most) cars DONT have 3 feet behind or infront of them. if its a 2 door than there is a trunk right or hatch right behind it. if its a 4 door there is either another door and then a trunk or another door and then a wagon door behind it. If you plan on replacing both doors on a foor door with one sliding door, then the sliding door would only be able to be slightly longer or the same length as the regular door. and then the rest would need to be room for the door to slide back. I dont understand how you think people would get into the back seat from the front door, as that will be the only slider that will fit.

Besides, i dont know how cool your minivan car will be. do you think doors like these should be put on exotic cars? sounds like another delorean idea to me.

I dont like getting into debates with you because you like starting arguments and always think youre right. Then you take cheap shots like calling me stupid because i dont capitalize my letters.
 
LMAO!!

Doug's like that Advan, he always has to be the best with his A4 and ML430 and Mountaineer and all. He's suck up, HARD!

Sorry Doug, you know I mean nothing by it ;)
 
Originally posted by advanR
i understood your question. dont tell me to go read it like i misunderstood. and yes all (or most) cars DONT have 3 feet behind or infront of them. if its a 2 door than there is a trunk right or hatch right behind it. if its a 4 door there is either another door and then a trunk or another door and then a wagon door behind it. If you plan on replacing both doors on a foor door with one sliding door, then the sliding door would only be able to be slightly longer or the same length as the regular door. and then the rest would need to be room for the door to slide back. I dont understand how you think people would get into the back seat from the front door, as that will be the only slider that will fit.


Could you post a picture of a normal car that does not have at least two and a half feet of room either behind the rear door or in front of the front door?

I dont like getting into debates with you because you like starting arguments and always think youre right. Then you take cheap shots like calling me stupid because i dont capitalize my letters.

Do you realise that the most immature form of speaking is carrying other debates over into a new debate? Don't do that. Do you also realise that the pretense of a debate is that one side is right? Grow up and quit trying to get a rise out of me. Cheap shots? Um, the capital letters thing was not a cheap shot. And aside from defending your numerous cheap shots, where have I made my own?

I know the drill, you're not going to post here for awhile then you're going to come back into a different thread and repeat the same rubbish again.
 
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This is the new version from this years Essen Motor Show.
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From standstill the coupe catapults in 4.0 seconds only to 100 km/h. After 12.9 seconds the car is already 200 km/h fast.

The sporty look is additionally marked by the special liquid-silver metallic paint, which changes its color depending on the incidence of light, the roof in clear-coated Carbon and the multi-piece HAMANN PG3 light alloy wheels. On the HAMANN LAS VEGAS WINGS these wheels are fitted in the dimensions 8.5Jx19 front and 10Jx19 rear. For the tires they chose the sizes 245/35 ZR 19 front and 275/30 ZR 19 on the rear axle.
 
Originally posted by advanR
hahahahaha

Actually the above post basically makes my entire case about you. You got your "post" in, yet you didn't answer any of my arguments about you, because they were all evidently above your level of understanding level (hence your reply).
 
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