New Aston Martin DBR9

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ALMS is run by IMSA. Therefore all ALMS cars have to have an IMSA sticker.

IMSA decides to run the ALMS under ACO rules, ALTHOUGH they do not run the exact same rules. For instance, LMPs are not required to have the shorter wing width like they do in LMES and at LeMans. You can see this by looking at the Champion Audi that ran at LeMans and the Champion Audi that's been running in ALMS.

IMSA also runs the Star Mazda series, STRANA Truck Racing series, and Panoz Racing Series. You can see this all on www.imsaracing.net
 
It is also sounding like the ACO/ALMS are looking at allowing in four door vehicles to the GT class for next year.

The rumours suggest this is partially to rid Speed World Challenge of the factory teams going forward, and partly to get the CTS-V Caddy's and RX8's into the ALMS.
 
GT1 will NEVER be a success until we get those beauties from the mid-late 1990s. You know what I'm talking about. Machines such as:

(courtesy, Electronic Arts game "Sports Car GT")
McLaren F1, Porsche 911 GT1, Lister Storm, Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR, Callaway Corvette, Mosler Raptor...

Or who knows? Maybe Toyota wants to give Le Mans another shot and knock off the Audi teams. I mean, hey. Japanese manufactuers won Le Mans how many times? Just one. Toyota had their dreams shattered, so if they want to challenge Mazda, let them. But we'll need more exotic rides for this "GT1" of sorts to actually materilize into the good old days. At least make GTP racers like in the 1990s.
 
JohnBM01
GT1 will NEVER be a success until we get those beauties from the mid-late 1990s. You know what I'm talking about. Machines such as:

(courtesy, Electronic Arts game "Sports Car GT")
McLaren F1, Porsche 911 GT1, Lister Storm, Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR, Callaway Corvette, Mosler Raptor...

Or who knows? Maybe Toyota wants to give Le Mans another shot and knock off the Audi teams. I mean, hey. Japanese manufactuers won Le Mans how many times? Just one. Toyota had their dreams shattered, so if they want to challenge Mazda, let them. But we'll need more exotic rides for this "GT1" of sorts to actually materilize into the good old days. At least make GTP racers like in the 1990s.

For GT1 to be a success it has to keep out cars in the mold of the 911 GT1/CLK-GTR etc.

The new GT1 is meant to be for production cars, not prototypes homolgated for the road. The new Maserati MC12 has had its homologation MC12 rejected by both the FIA and the ACO, as it is not in the spirit of the class, or conforms to the bodywork regs.

The MC12 will have to be redesigned to compete in GTS/GT1. A version may even end up in GTP (LMP1 these days).

GT1 cars will be built to the same regs as GTS so will not challenge for overall wins. Cars in the mold of the CLK-LM/GT-ONE etc. will compete in LMP1.
 
JAGUAR
For GT1 to be a success it has to keep out cars in the mold of the 911 GT1/CLK-GTR etc.

The new GT1 is meant to be for production cars, not prototypes homolgated for the road. The new Maserati MC12 has had its homologation MC12 rejected by both the FIA and the ACO, as it is not in the spirit of the class, or conforms to the bodywork regs.

The MC12 will have to be redesigned to compete in GTS/GT1. A version may even end up in GTP (LMP1 these days).

GT1 cars will be built to the same regs as GTS so will not challenge for overall wins. Cars in the mold of the CLK-LM/GT-ONE etc. will compete in LMP1.

The Maserati will only race in Europe. It will not come to the ALMS races. Thats what Maserati said themselves.
 
Darin
The Maserati will only race in Europe. It will not come to the ALMS races. Thats what Maserati said themselves.

The Maserati will race in the ALMS eventually. RISI are in line to be the first customer.

Maserati were talking about the works team which, initially will only compete in FIA GT.
 
JAGUAR
The Maserati will race in the ALMS eventually. RISI are in line to be the first customer.

Maserati were talking about the works team which, initially will only compete in FIA GT.

Its still funny that no magazines, ALMS resources have list Class changes nor any car changes..

I don't beleive any of this crap until I see it from RISI or Don Panoz himself.
 
Darin, it's being confirmed by every racing news source out there. It was on AutoWeek, PlanetLeMans, LMSR, DailySportsCar, etc...

The Maserati has been accepted for homologation into ACO GT1 class only if they change the car, which Maserati plans to do with an MC12 "Evo" in 2006.
 
The way I "grew up" in sportscar racing is that the GT1 machinery were closed-cockpit, purpose-built race cars that were either extremely powerful or is purely unlike anything on the street. I mean, how many supercars look like the Toyota GT-One? The Nissan R390? I mean, when you think about it, the GT1 cars were powerful that... when was the last time a GT-type car won Le Mans? It's a trick question even though the Bentleys won Le Mans last year, but the Porsche 911 GT1 won in 1998. I mean, if you're going to have a situation where even a lowly Porsche 911 RSR can win a 24-hour race (it happened last year. Guess the series and the race), I'd say that GT cars shouldn't just be on par with other closed-top racers.

To me, the DBR9 is going to be more like a GT2 class machine. Or hell. Let's just get rid of the "GTS" and "GT" namesakes and bring back the ones I've been used to- GT1, GT2, and GT3. And if you want to keep a GTS name, reserve it for highly-modifed or pure prototype GT cars. These include the Ferrari 550 Maranello, Dodge Viper, Saleen S7, and such. But then again, it can be tough to actually come up with understandable classes of race car. But to me, the car LOOKS more like a GT2, and probably will be one as long as the engine power isn't extremely KILLER. But, GT1 will have to be like the GT1 cars I fell in love with.

I'm sorry not to stay on topic, but I'm just saying.
 
toler
photoshopped or not, i´m really looking forward to seeing this thing race in next years FIA-GT championship. it´s going to take GT racing back to it´s former glory days. it will be competing against the 550/575 Maranellos, Saleens, the new Maserati GT & Murcielagos, old Vipers and even that ugly Lister. if that doesn´t promise great races i don´t know what will....

I'd have to agree. 👍
 
Here's my question. When will we see the Mosler MT900R with more horsepower and join in on the GTS fight? Sorry to be off-topic again.

I'm pretty sure that Aston Martin will do well with its DBR9. I just hope it can mount as much of a challenge in its early years. Of course, that's not EXPECTED when you enter sportscar racing, but at least the car will at least be a prospect for victory. It will just take good engineering and wonderful driver line-ups. I'm pretty sure AM will provide factory support all the way, so once this car hits, it will mostly be a flat-out contender. But whether or not it can cut the mustard against other cars in its racing class remains to be seen.
 
The original GT1 was also intended for genuine production cars like the Jaguar XJ220, Porsche 911 Turbo, Lotus Esprit, Dodge Viper, Mclaren f1, Ferrari F40 etc.

However when the Mclaren F1 dominated other manufactuers like Porsche, Ferrari and Lotus respsonded with homologation special road cars like the 911 GT1, CLK-GTR, Elise GT1 etc. These cars had nothing to do with genuine road cars, and where effectively prototypes.

When Toyota came out with the GT-ONE the ACO decided enought was enough, scrapped GT1 and renamed it LMGTP. Cars like the Bentley also competed in this class.

The top production class then became GT2, which was renamed GTS. Now the ACO/FIA believe this class has now reached the level were it deserves to be renamed GT1. Plus renaming GTS and GT to GT1 and GT2 makes it simpler for the fans to understand.

The 'new' GT1 will firmly remain for genuine production cars like the DBR9 and 575GTC.

The top prototype classes at Le Mans/LMES/ALMS are now called LMP1(600-650BHP) and LMP2 (500BHP). And LMP1/LMP2 cars can either be open or closed top.
 
JohnBM01
Here's my question. When will we see the Mosler MT900R with more horsepower and join in on the GTS fight? Sorry to be off-topic again.

I'm pretty sure that Aston Martin will do well with its DBR9. I just hope it can mount as much of a challenge in its early years. Of course, that's not EXPECTED when you enter sportscar racing, but at least the car will at least be a prospect for victory. It will just take good engineering and wonderful driver line-ups. I'm pretty sure AM will provide factory support all the way, so once this car hits, it will mostly be a flat-out contender. But whether or not it can cut the mustard against other cars in its racing class remains to be seen.

The Mosler will race in GTS (GT1) when enough road cars have been built.

I would expect the DBR9 to be on the pace right from the start. It is built by Prodrive afterall, who build the GTS pacesetter the Prodrive Ferrari 550.
 
JAGUAR
The original GT1 was also intended for genuine production cars like the Jaguar XJ220, Porsche 911 Turbo, Lotus Esprit, Dodge Viper, Mclaren f1, Ferrari F40 etc.

Actually the Chrysler viper GTS-Rs and Porsche 911 GT2s were GT2 class cars, not GT1.

However when the Mclaren F1 dominated other manufactuers like Porsche, Ferrari and Lotus respsonded with homologation special road cars like the 911 GT1, CLK-GTR, Elise GT1 etc. These cars had nothing to do with genuine road cars, and where effectively prototypes.

When Toyota came out with the GT-ONE the ACO decided enought was enough, scrapped GT1 and renamed it LMGTP. Cars like the Bentley also competed in this class.

The GTP class actually had existed for many years before the 911 GT1, Mercedes CLK-GTR, Toyota GT-One, and Nissan R390 came about. It's just that no one bothered to use it, instead going for open cockpit prototypes. Therefore, the ACO did not turn GT1 class into GTP class, it merely changed the rules and GT1 class became the modern day GTS class with much strictor rules on the production cars used (hence why the Maserati MC12 is being penalized).

The top production class then became GT2, which was renamed GTS. Now the ACO/FIA believe this class has now reached the level were it deserves to be renamed GT1. Plus renaming GTS and GT to GT1 and GT2 makes it simpler for the fans to understand.

GT2 class was also made strictor like GT1 had been, meaning that Porsche had to stop using their turbo GT2s and switch to NA GT3s, and the Vipers, which could not be easily restricted down to the new GT rules, merely improved themselves for running in the new GTS class.

The top prototype classes at Le Mans/LMES/ALMS are now called LMP1(600-650BHP) and LMP2 (500BHP). And LMP1/LMP2 cars can either be open or closed top.

This rule hasn't really changed, at least until next year. They merely changed the name.

And the Mosler MT900 would most likely run in GT class, not GTS. Even though the Mosler is similar to the Saleen S7R, it is not as well suited for GTS class. Hencey why in the JGTC it runs in the lower GT300 class, and in Grand Am it ran in the lower GT class instead of GTO.
 
The359
Darin, it's being confirmed by every racing news source out there. It was on AutoWeek, PlanetLeMans, LMSR, DailySportsCar, etc....

It has, huh?

AutoWeek hasn't said crap about it in any magazine they published yet. Daily Sports Car hasn't said anything i've read.

Obviously, I'm still not beleiving it. I want information where this was said.

Link me to all resources..
 
Actually the Chrysler viper GTS-Rs and Porsche 911 GT2s were GT2 class cars, not GT1.



**No, the Viper GTS-R was designed as a GT1 car, and competed initially as a GT1 car. However in 1997 they switched to GT2 as they were ware that the Viper could not compete with the CLK-GTR, 911 GT1 etc. As Chrysler wanted to compete with a genuine road they moved to GT2. The 911 GT2 competed in both GT2 AND GT1. The 911 GT EVO was a GT1 version of the car and was often the best of the rest behind the original F1 GTRs. Porsche realised this car could not compete against the F1 GTR and so built the 911 GT1 in 1996.**



The GTP class actually had existed for many years before the 911 GT1, Mercedes CLK-GTR, Toyota GT-One, and Nissan R390 came about. It's just that no one bothered to use it, instead going for open cockpit prototypes. Therefore, the ACO did not turn GT1 class into GTP class, it merely changed the rules and GT1 class became the modern day GTS class with much strictor rules on the production cars used (hence why the Maserati MC12 is being penalized).



**LMPGTP was a new class in 1999 and a direct replacement for GT1. Toyota, Porsche, Mercedes etc. would quite happily have left GT1, and its expensive requirement for road cars, if the LMGTP class was available prior to 1999.**



GT2 class was also made strictor like GT1 had been, meaning that Porsche had to stop using their turbo GT2s and switch to NA GT3s, and the Vipers, which could not be easily restricted down to the new GT rules, merely improved themselves for running in the new GTS class.



**GT2 was the home of the Vipers, 911 GT2, Marcos LM600 etc. The class name was changed from GT2 to GTS around 1999. GT was a new smaller GT class for cars like the 911 GT3-R's, Ferrari 360's, TVR T400Rs etc.**



This rule hasn't really changed, at least until next year. They merely changed the name.



**LMP1 and LMP2 are brand new prototype regulations that have been introduced this year. New cars built to these regulations include the Courage C65, WR and NASAMAX. Only yesterday Luchinni released pictures of there new LMP2 car. Porsche have reportedly been testing a new LMP1 car in Secret, in South Africa recently. The regulations are completely different from the old LMP900 and LMP675 regs. LMP1 and LMP2 cars can now be opan or closed cockpit cars. The ALMS has delayed introduceing these regs for 2 years (although new cars can still compete in the ALMS), but these new regs are in force at Le Mans and in the European based LMES this year.**



And the Mosler MT900 would most likely run in GT class, not GTS. Even though the Mosler is similar to the Saleen S7R, it is not as well suited for GTS class. Hencey why in the JGTC it runs in the lower GT300 class, and in Grand Am it ran in the lower GT class instead of GTO.



**Rollcentre racing are currently building a GTS version of the Mosler. Road car production will soon start. 25 need to be built. ThACO have already visited the team to observe the car/plans etc.**
 
The359
Mosler wouldn't need to build road cars, they've been selling the MT900 for years now.

They still do not have the required 25 for the GTS version. Many 'different' spec cars have been sold over the years.

The road cars will be built in the UKapparently. Rollcentre would have run the GTS version in the LMES this year but the homologation of the car was not ready. At the moment the project is on hold the last I heard until sufficient funding is found.

Rollcentre are running a Dallara LMP1 car in the LMES, and a Mosler and Noble in British GT.
 
As far as I know under GTS rules, there don't need to be road going versions of the racing car, just road going versions that the race car is based on.

Hence the reason why GM didn't need to build that "Supervette" with the 427 motor in it.
 
The359
As far as I know under GTS rules, there don't need to be road going versions of the racing car, just road going versions that the race car is based on.

Hence the reason why GM didn't need to build that "Supervette" with the 427 motor in it.

Correct, but Mosler haven't made 25 road going version of the car, that the GTS Mosler will be based on.

As for the Vette the GTS regs allow engine displacment to be changed, as long as it is no bigger than 8l for GTS. The 550/575s all have enlarged engines, compared to the road cars.
 
I just don't see how Mosler couldn't have sold more then 25 cars in the existance of the MT900...

EDIT: I stand corrected. It just so happens that Mosler's website lists a history of every single MT900 chassis built.

There have been 2 Prototypes, 1 regular MT900 and 1 MT900R (now sold and raced in JGTC). After the prototypes, Chassis #003, #004, #008, #009 are all completed MT900S Photon street cars. Chassis #011 is the MT900S that Mosler sent for Government crash testing and is therefore useless. Chassis #010, #013, #014, #015, #016 are all MT900S Photons under construction. This means that when they are completed there will be 9 road cars, 10 if you count the crash test car.

Chassis #007 is listed as an ACO GTS car currently under construction at Mosler's shop in Georgia.

Chassis #001 is a former Grand Am MT900R, as is Chassis #002 but has since been sold to a team in France that appears to use it for Spanish GT. Chassis #005 is also Grand Am, and Chassis #006 appears to be a street version of the MT900R. Chassis #012 is Rollcentre Racing's car currently used in British GT.
 
What I'm on is that if it is a closed-cockpit race car that makes at least more than 400 horsepower, and is either a modified version of a less-powerful street car, or if any actual homologations were made of it, it was a GT1. I've associated GT1 with sportscars that totally looked unlike anything on the road with enough power to challenge the Prototypes. I'm not saying that a Corvette C5R can win Le Mans over R8s and those Lolas, but GT cars shouldn't be so tamed down. It's the same thing the ACO and ALMS did with LMP900 and LMP675 (at the time). The LMP675s were underpowered racing prototypes that were much lighter, maybe carried more fuel, but is ultimately unable to beat the better prototypes. But tell me what happened in the ALMS at Sears Point last year. Who won that race? James Weaver in an LMP675. I'm just on the principle that every car can challenge for overall wins except maybe the GT cars. And the answer to my makeshift trivia question was a GT Porsche at the Rolex 24 at Daytona last year. But, the GT cars that are powerful enough to be much more than your run-of-the-mill GT car can compare with at least P2.

I'm just going on the GT1s I've grown up with. We may never see a second coming of the 911 GT1 or even the Toyota GT-One, but I kind of think this new GT1 is nothing more but a hyped-up GT2 class. Anyhow, it will be nice to see the DBR9 compete no matter what series it will race.
 
The GT1 cars you talk of were the exception not the rule.

The likes of the CLK-GTR, 911 GT1 should never have been allowed in the first place. They were not road cars. GT cars should always be based on road cars.

The Toyota GT-ONE for example raced as a GT1 in 1998, but switched to the new LMGTP class in 1999, when GT1 was scrapped.

Now we have LMP1 and LMP2 which will allow open and closed cars. If Toyota return with a GT-ONE successor it will be in LMP1.

The GTS cars like the C5-R have just as much power as the old GT1 cars (600BHP+) but they weigh more and are based on genuine road cars so will never compete for overall wins. Even the GT class cars like the 911 GT3-RS and Ferrari 360 produce 450BHP+.
 
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