New Dude with Questions

[JJstarr]

Crunch - How can I get into one of your nightly rooms? Just add you on PSN and look for the lounge you're hosting at 9:30 CST each night?

RESHIRAM5 - I appreciate your tuning advice. That makes a lot of sense. I'm still a novice at tuning, but it helps to have a directed goal in mind and I hadn't thought about taking the track into account. Oh yeah, and I like the lack of texting words allowed

Racin-Rev I'll send you FR when I get home. Thanks.

Ivan is correct. I want to learn to drive well. I'd prefer to not rely on aids so that when aids are on my skills might be enhanced rather than the other way around where I rely on aids to learn and then I'm no good when I have to have the aids off. I definitely appreciate Crunch pointing out this underrepresented (possibly underrespected?) community of drivers that like arcade style. I will admit, the thought of arcade style racing never crossed my mind. I didn't think GT would permit it.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Crunch - How can I get into one of your nightly rooms? Just add you on PSN and look for the lounge you're hosting at 9:30 CST each night?

You can join my room through the open lobby, just look for a room called “Street Legal –Aids OK”

There couple of things you should know. First you will definitely need racing soft tires. Also it is a good idea to have a usb keyboard as mics are disabled.

All aids are allowed in my room but most of them just slow you down. I recommend and use:
ABS set at 1.
TCS set at 1, but only on rear wheel drive cars.
SRF on, this gives the car more grip in the corners. This is by far the most controversial aid. It is less of an aid and almost a cheat. I like it because it makes the cars more fun to drive.

I also highly recommend using the bumper cam view. That is the view with the big rectangular mirror. You need to know when people are coming up behind you.

I currently don’t allow FR (front engine, rear drive) cars. The last update ruined a couple hundred of them.

Also my room is pretty slow. A Civic, MR2 or Integra should suffice.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Hey JJ. Thanks for stopping by last night. I didn't get any complaints about your driving, which is very rare for a new gt5 player.

Not crashing into other people is the most important thing, and you were good about that. Most new people aren't.

I know you had fun, but make sure you try other rooms too. See what kind of racing you really like.

This game can be played in so many ways.

This game is awesome and I do what I love but I do not disrespect those who do what they love.

My room has no restrictions. It is up to you, you have to decide what you want.
Hope to see you again- At least i know ray likes you- not sure how old- I think he is in his 60s

 

[Jaywalker]

Ah the no aids/ crappy tire bunch is always circling the water waiting for some new guy.

Jjstar there is a huge arcade style racing community that is very underrepresented here on gtplanet.

You need to decide what you like in the game – not these tire/anti-aids-dictators.

Sorry, you're wrong. The OP brought up the subject in his first post. The others merely responded.

See:

Hello GTplanet Peeps,

I'm a completely new player to Gran Turismo and I have some basic questions I'm hoping you all can answer.

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2 - I have a Driving Force GT wheel coming in the mail that I look forward to using and ditching these DS3 analog sticks and buttons I struggle to drive with. I'm hoping my real world driving skills (apologies if that comes across as cocky or arrogant) help me with have a short learning curve where I only need to learn the tracks and find my marks that comes with practice. With all of this said, I'm thinking about dropping the assists when I get the wheel and just working my own driving lines and feel for driving the cars; however, there are so many options I don't know to turn off and/or keep using. I'm trying to get to the driving options that would be used in online racing so I am better prepared for the challenge.

Welcome to , JJ.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's always a bonus when the new guy has a good first online experience. Great job JJ:tup:

 

[JJstarr]

Thanks again to everyone for the compliments. I feel the love!

Crunch - I actually stumbled on your room last night before seeing your post about what room to look for. Anyway, I sent you a note to say 'thanks.' Good people, good racing. You can't beat that.

Regarding racing styles: I'm still feeling my way out, but I strive to be the best I can in whatever I apply myself to; therefore, I want to learn to drive like a champ without any aids turned on (from what I understand, that means everything off except ABS set to 1, but I think some folks disagree on the ABS being on at all). With that said, I had a heck of a fun time last night racing in Crunch's room that had some assists turned on. I'm still not even to the point where I understand what each one of the assists do lol.
One of the key things I struggle with right now is getting a car that is within the PP limit that actually competes with the others on the track. I was surprised to find that my car (which I tuned up to 448 PP in a 450 PP limit race) was still getting ditched by some of the other cars so I still have some learning to do. Part of that is I need to get the right cars (so far I just have what I received in the XL Edition DLC Voucher and what I've 'won' for accomplishing some goals in A-Spec and B-Spec. The other part is knowing what tweaks to make to maximize the potential for that car within that race's restrictions that also fit what I'm trying to do on the track.

 

[Johnnypenso]

One of the key things I struggle with right now is getting a car that is within the PP limit that actually competes with the others on the track. I was surprised to find that my car (which I tuned up to 448 PP in a 450 PP limit race) was still getting ditched by some of the other cars so I still have some learning to do. Part of that is I need to get the right cars (so far I just have what I received in the XL Edition DLC Voucher and what I've 'won' for accomplishing some goals in A-Spec and B-Spec. The other part is knowing what tweaks to make to maximize the potential for that car within that race's restrictions that also fit what I'm trying to do on the track.

There is a F.I.T.T. tuning contest going on right now at the Full Nurb in the Tuning forum. It's at 450PP on Sports Hards and 550PP on Sports Softs. You'll find a lot of good cars in there. Some of the 450PP cars are 15+ seconds faster than the old 2.09 kings of the Ring.

 

[Com Fox]

PP is not that accurate, it happened with my cappucino RM, said it was perfect for a race but when I raced it fell behind.

 

[TwistyDrift]

PP is not that accurate, it happened with my cappucino RM, said it was perfect for a race but when I raced it fell behind.

Maybe because lack of skill? Or tune setup is wrong. I'm not saying that your not a good driver but I do know that the PP system is messed up sometimes.

 

[Com Fox]

Not really, this was a fully tuned cappuccino RM. It was also on a track I know very well, but the other cars were to fast even though my car has the exact PP as the PP limit.

 

[IvanOffalich]

I tried to use that Crappuccino RM, too, and found it to be lacking in oomph. I don't think that I tuned it, but it was quite slow for the race that I was attempting to do with it.

It was one of the Seasonals. I ended up using the Alfa race car with the incredibly long name instead for that one. I didn't care for the Suzuki much.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Not really, this was a fully tuned cappuccino RM. It was also on a track I know very well, but the other cars were to fast even though my car has the exact PP as the PP limit.

I have yet to see a K-car that could keep up. Their PP's have always been way too high.

 

[Com Fox]

I used to have full faith on the PP system until that race. Now I really don't like it that much.

 

[JJstarr]

Gentlemen,

If you don't mind, please allow me to shift gears to the Logitech Driving Force GT steering wheel that I just used for the first time yesterday. The long story short is I am alarmed by the amount of "wiggling" the wheel does on its own. I searched for this problem and found this thread that has a good video example linked the in opening post: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136655
Essentially, the wheel moves back and forth a lot if you let go of it even on a straightaway. My point is not that I want to let go of the wheel when I race, but rather the fact that I feel like I'm fighting my own wheel to keep the car straight. I have spoken to some folks who attribute this to what happens in race cars at high speed, but right now I'm having a tough time believing it's this bad. I even went back to the very first license test (License B, go-stop test) and found that the wheel still vibrated/wiggled a little bit in that car when you're not going very fast at all.

What I'm essentially getting at is, do I have a wheel defect or do I just need to man up on this thing? I don't want to constant fight my wheel.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

Gentlemen,

If you don't mind, please allow me to shift gears to the Logitech Driving Force GT steering wheel that I just used for the first time yesterday. The long story short is I am alarmed by the amount of "wiggling" the wheel does on its own. I searched for this problem and found this thread that has a good video example linked the in opening post: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136655
Essentially, the wheel moves back and forth a lot if you let go of it even on a straightaway. My point is not that I want to let go of the wheel when I race, but rather the fact that I feel like I'm fighting my own wheel to keep the car straight. I have spoken to some folks who attribute this to what happens in race cars at high speed, but right now I'm having a tough time believing it's this bad. I even went back to the very first license test (License B, go-stop test) and found that the wheel still vibrated/wiggled a little bit in that car when you're not going very fast at all.

What I'm essentially getting at is, do I have a wheel defect or do I just need to man up on this thing? I don't want to constant fight my wheel.

I've found this with the DFGT. When I first tried one on a Toyota FT86 Demo of GT5 I couldn't keep the car straight. Then when I bought mine a few months ago I found the same problem. After a few hours playing I got used to it and now I don't notice it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Gentlemen,

If you don't mind, please allow me to shift gears to the Logitech Driving Force GT steering wheel that I just used for the first time yesterday. The long story short is I am alarmed by the amount of "wiggling" the wheel does on its own. I searched for this problem and found this thread that has a good video example linked the in opening post: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136655
Essentially, the wheel moves back and forth a lot if you let go of it even on a straightaway. My point is not that I want to let go of the wheel when I race, but rather the fact that I feel like I'm fighting my own wheel to keep the car straight. I have spoken to some folks who attribute this to what happens in race cars at high speed, but right now I'm having a tough time believing it's this bad. I even went back to the very first license test (License B, go-stop test) and found that the wheel still vibrated/wiggled a little bit in that car when you're not going very fast at all.

What I'm essentially getting at is, do I have a wheel defect or do I just need to man up on this thing? I don't want to constant fight my wheel.

I've found this with the DFGT. When I first tried one on a Toyota FT86 Demo of GT5 I couldn't keep the car straight. Then when I bought mine a few months ago I found the same problem. After a few hours playing I got used to it and now I don't notice it.

Man up son!!!! I've had the DFGT and G27 now and you can't let either one go. There is no real deadzone, so if your car goes slightly left when you let go, the Force Feedback will kick the wheel slightly right, then left, then right...then out of control. Don't let the wheel go is the answer.

On some cars, especially the RR's and MR's, you'll find the wheel gives some force feedback to tell you that the rear end is loose. Happens a lot under braking and when the back end kicks out under cornering. It feels a bit weird at first but you get used to it and it gives you information you might not otherwise have.

As Carbon says, just keep at it, you get used to it, it just comes with using a wheel and it's useful information once you begin to understand what it's telling you.

 

[JJstarr]

I appreciate having a feel for the road, I just don't like the idea of being in a constant fight to keep her straight.

I think I just need to get comfortable with it. The shifting paddles force my hands to be at 3 and 9 and that's not something I'm used to. I anticipated being able to do some one handed driving with one on the wheel while the other shifts gears on using the stick, but I'll just have to keep at it to find my comfort zone. Last night was my first time with it and the fact that the wheel wouldn't settle down on me was frustrating. To anyone reading this who uses the same wheel, what level of Force Feedback are you using on the DFGT?

One more question: what would happen if I unplugged the wheel; i.e. removing power from the Force Feedback.

PS - I appreciate the "man up son" comment, Johnny. I'm not too haughty to receive that comment if that's what it boils down to.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I appreciate having a feel for the road, I just don't like the idea of being in a constant fight to keep her straight.

I think I just need to get comfortable with it. The shifting paddles force my hands to be at 3 and 9 and that's not something I'm used to. I anticipated being able to do some one handed driving with one on the wheel while the other shifts gears on using the stick, but I'll just have to keep at it to find my comfort zone. Last night was my first time with it and the fact that the wheel wouldn't settle down on me was frustrating. To anyone reading this who uses the same wheel, what level of Force Feedback are you using on the DFGT?

One more question: what would happen if I unplugged the wheel; i.e. removing power from the Force Feedback.

PS - I appreciate the "man up son" comment, Johnny. I'm not too haughty to receive that comment if that's what it boils down to.

I used 3-5 FF. I know some guys prefer higher but that's where I settled in. If you unplug the wheel you get no FF which kind of defeats the purpose. It's possible there is something wrong with your wheel but I'd just stick with it for a few days and see what happens.

 

[GTsail]

I appreciate having a feel for the road, I just don't like the idea of being in a constant fight to keep her straight.

I think I just need to get comfortable with it. The shifting paddles force my hands to be at 3 and 9 and that's not something I'm used to. I anticipated being able to do some one handed driving with one on the wheel while the other shifts gears on using the stick, but I'll just have to keep at it to find my comfort zone. Last night was my first time with it and the fact that the wheel wouldn't settle down on me was frustrating.

Don't worry, you'll soon get used to it. Its just the wheel's way of saying that its forcefeedback is working.

Usually, its only noticeable when you are at high speed (like traveling down the straights at La Sarthe) otherwise you'll soon forget about it.

However, its also apparent on the starting line if you are in a kart.

Have you tried the kart events yet?

If you take you hands off the wheel before the start, the wheel cycles back and forth and tries to scrub all the rubber off your tires before the race even starts!

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[iamsupernasty]

You will get used to it. Don't run with it unplugged.

Also, get used to keeping two hands on the wheel, even when using a standard shifter with clutch.

Lastly, I use force feedback 10 on my DFGT and G27. Anything less seemed way too sloppy for me. I wish I could set it for 20!

 

[NCRthree]

It's just FFB, no big deal. Until someone mentions this characteristic, I never think about it. I'm always just holding the wheel...like I'm driving a real car! I've set my FFB either at 6-7 no power steering, it reminds me of how much effort my real car has (Evo X). Though I've gone months with it at 4 with power steering on and didn't know it until I've checked it.

You'll get used to it quickly, in a couple days you won't even notice it. And like others have said, FFB in GT5 is how to tell what the car is doing with grip loss since we can't feel real g's. You'll get to read the signs from the FFB after a while and react naturally. Sounds like you're having fun, good luck.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

JJ my best advice to you would be to seek out good hosts and friend them.

Then when you start up GT5 click on the community tab, then at the top of your friends list – next to the A and B click on the globe. This will show all of your friends that are online.

Click on your friend’s avatar and if there is a yellow dot next to the coffee cup that means they are in a room. Click on that dot. That will show you if they are just in a room, or if they are at the top of the list, they are hosting.

Think of turning on GT5 as being like switching on the cable box. If you have a lot of hosts as friends then what ever kind of racing you are in the mood for you can do. The more host’s you have in your list the more options you will have.

You know how I run my room, There are a lot of good hosts that run different types of rooms that you might find just as fun. McClarenDesign, from here, is another good host – I have never run in his room but friends of mine have.

Or you can do what I did back in the beginning of GT5, when I couldn’t find a room I liked, and just start your own.

 

[JJstarr]

When I try to do one of the Beginner Series B-Spec races it gives me an error that I do not have enough B-Spec drivers. I checked to make sure nobody was remote racing all of them, and they were not (all were available). Has anyone run across this issue before?

All of them have been boosted to ~ Level 25 through Remote Races. I'm wondering if they're too jacked up now.

 

[Com Fox]

You have to take them offline to use them.

Happened with me before.

 

[JJstarr]

Thanks, Yoshi!