New PS3 Model On The Way

[nick09]

That's only because they need to be thin. You are comparing applies to oranges here. Not to mention there is plenty of cases where the power adapter for a laptop can fail. It happened to my last HP laptop where the power adapter burned out.

I find it cumbersome to bring a power adapter with my laptop where I am bringing another device with me encase the battery on my laptop dies. It was very annoying with my old HP laptop since that battery only lasted 20 minutes(poorly designed battery). It's not much of a case with my ASUS laptop where the battery can last for 2-3 hours.

Honestly if laptops had a PSU inside that would increase the size of the laptops to allow decent airflow over important components in the PSU. I'm not talking about adding an inch to the thickness here, I'm talking about 2-4 inches to the thickness of a laptop. I also know from experience that ultra small PSU's have the tendency to fail at times.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

Two new PS3 models have been submitted to the FCC database carrying the model numbers CECH-3001A and CECH-3001B. Its expected that as well as a hard drive size increase they will have a totally new chip set and mobo revision which will probably be more efficient and also have new security measures to seal the root key hack.

Recently PS3 slim prices have been reduced to clear old stock and new dev kits have been released to developers. I guess Sony wants to keep people loyal and attract new users during the bad press.

Robin.

The "bad press" really doesn't seem to be all that horrendous outside of gaming circles. The events in Pakistan and Osama Bin Laden have the nation's attention focused elsewhere. I tell people about this whole hacking business, and the response is usually "yeah I heard something about that". I don't want to downplay the nature of the crime (and it IS a crime), but this is not the first time it's happened. It's the first time it's happened to "gamers".

 

[spapadillion]

Thats great and all really, but how about we work on getting PSN back up before we release any new hardware? lol

Life goes on for the other divisions of Sony, despite what's happening w/ the PSN.

Why have PS4 when an upgraded PS3 could be just as good?

Because it couldn't. The various choke points within the system would still be there, basically tossing a wet blanket on whatever new add-on Sony comes up with. More RAM and a new GPU would make for a definite improvement, but a new system will always be better.

 

[Robin]

Just an update about the new slim model / revision, more info has come out of Japan where it is set to launch next month. Other regions are likely to follow soon after as retailers have started dropping the current slim's price.

Power consumption is down by 30W to 200W
Weight is now 2.6kg
320GB HDD
Redesign of the Power and Eject buttons with the removal of some LED's
New AACS protection and you can no longer output 1080i via component.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Good to know there's a new one coming out. I'll wait to upgrade from my fatty until those come out.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

This most likely has a 32nm Cell and 40nm RSX. I might get one to update my first gen slim which has a 45nm Cell and 65nm RSX. Less heat the better for me and I might attempt to do the 24hr A-Spec events if I do get one. I think the super slim version of the PS3 will most likely come out next year with a 22nm Cell and 28nm RSX. I think this new slim coming out is like 600g lighter than my first gen slim which is quite a lot. There will a lot of air and cheap cooling in that case for sure. Anyway I expect also a 32nm Cell and 28nm RSX combination before the super slim and that will have even more empty space inside, a bit like the final fat PS3s.

I hope Sony keep the PSU inside the PS3 as I don't like having too many bulky external PSUs. They even did a final revision of the PS2 slim to include the PSU in the console. I might try and get one of those too.

 

[nick09]

Seeing how the console now only takes 200 watts it is possible to fit a small PSU if there is the room or if room is made. It's one of the things I don't like dragging around and having it around in the open.

I also don't see the PS3 getting any slimmer since you need to have room for airflow and heatsink material to let the heat out. Though if the CPU and GPU chips get smaller than Sony can use less heatsink metal to help make the PS3 lighter. Weight does not matter to me since I only take my 60GB(320GB HDD) fat PS3 during some holidays.

 

[Robin]

As saidur_ali said they will keep reducing the size and amount of components inside the slims case until there is enough fresh air to scale the whole thing down even further. I also remember the later fat PS2's being half air! whereas my SCPH-10000 was like a lead brick!

I could see the PS3 eventually reaching DVD case size like with the current PS2, remember the Vita already has damn fine PS3 esque graphics and its very small. Once you get rid of the heat issues by reducing the nm process you can really reduce the size dramatically as most of the space is still cooling.

 

[SuperShouden]

but remember the Cell still has to be liquid cooled.

 

[Robin]

but remember the Cell still has to be liquid cooled.

Huh? The Cell has never been liquid cooled in the PS3. At 45nm the Cell in the slim is already only needing a relatively small aluminum heatsink and fan. A few more nm drops with the Cell and RSX and they will be able to be cooled with a laptop style heatsink.

 

[nick09]

Huh? The Cell has never been liquid cooled in the PS3. At 45nm the Cell in the slim is already only needing a relatively small aluminum heatsink and fan. A few more nm drops with the Cell and RSX and they will be able to be cooled with a laptop style heatsink.

If they can do that then I can see them putting the PSU back in the PS3 because you would claim a lot of space if it's brought down to the laptop size.

Though yes the PS3 has never been liquid cooled(I honestly laughed at that comment). As far as I'm aware the release and a revision model(I'm not sure since I don't keep track) of the 60GB fat had copper heatpipes coming from the aluminum cores that spread heat to relatively large sized aluminum heatsinks. This was back when the CPU and GPU nm size was quite large.

 

[Robin]

Isn't the PSU in the Slims?, I thought it was that black plastic bar shaped thing I've seen in take apart vids.

I'm pretty sure the Slim still uses heatpipes and literally everything uses them these days even laptops. But yeah when the Cell and RSX were a whopping 92nm it needed loads of them! But no water cooling

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Seeing how the console now only takes 200 watts it is possible to fit a small PSU if there is the room or if room is made. It's one of the things I don't like dragging around and having it around in the open.

I also don't see the PS3 getting any slimmer since you need to have room for airflow and heatsink material to let the heat out. Though if the CPU and GPU chips get smaller than Sony can use less heatsink metal to help make the PS3 lighter. Weight does not matter to me since I only take my 60GB(320GB HDD) fat PS3 during some holidays.

There is already the PSU inside. It probably will take about actually 50-60W when gaming as the PSU wattage is not the actual power consumption. They have knocked 600g since the first slim and that is most likely due to cheaper heatsinks and some due to the die shrink. The die shrink allows for smaller designs but it is not cost effective to do so at the moment. I think next E3 we will get an annoucement of the PS3 Super Slim as the manufacturing process technology will be small enough to die shrink both chips to use even less power. Surely heat output / use of more electricity is some concern to you? I don't really care if they are making more money of me as i will be gaining some back due to power savings and less heat frustration.

The only reason why I never replaced my slim with the 40nm RSX slim is due to people having noisy Blu-ray drives so I didn't think it was woth the hassle of changing over. However with a 32nm Cell (I think), that will reduce power by a lot and even if it has a noisy drive I will upgrade. I know the 28nm RSX must be coming soon too but might make the jump early to enjoy the benefits of less heat and just get a super slim (Not factual) this time next year.

Isn't the PSU in the Slims?, I thought it was that black plastic bar shaped thing I've seen in take apart vids.

I'm pretty sure the Slim still uses heatpipes and literally everything uses them these days even laptops. But yeah when the Cell and RSX were a whopping 92nm it needed loads of them! But no water cooling

It never was 92nm, both were 90nm. About the PSU being inside, you are correct and I don't know how the person above thinks that they don't. Also the liquid cooling thing the other person mentioned is nonsense too. I don't have any tubes visible on my original 60GB PS3 .

The biggest thing the die shrinks will allow is smartphones to be quick and good on battery and that is what I'm looking most forward to. PC gaming will be cheap and budget laptops will be better graphically than the PS3 which is another positive thing as well as having good battery levels. The big difference with consoles is the hardware power does not increase but you only get better power consumption and less heat at load but the heat is evened out using cheaper cooling but it will still most likely run cooler.

 

[nick09]

Sorry I just assumed from what I've read years ago that the PS3 slim had an external PSU. The PS3 "phat" is not the largest console out there anyways. The Atari 5200 is quite the big one compared to the PS3. I do understand the point where the "phat" PS3's weighed at 11 pounds and made it harder to carry. I personally find the weight to be okay and if anything 11 pounds should be the max limit of weight in any console. Though I won't convert from my "phat" PS3 to a Slim PS3 for one reason, PS2 games, I still play them everyone once in a while and it means I won't need to bring out my fat PS2 if I want to play a PS2 game.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Sorry I just assumed from what I've read years ago that the PS3 slim had an external PSU. The PS3 "phat" is not the largest console out there anyways. The Atari 5200 is quite the big one compared to the PS3. I do understand the point where the "phat" PS3's weighed at 11 pounds and made it harder to carry. I personally find the weight to be okay and if anything 11 pounds should be the max limit of weight in any console. Though I won't convert from my "phat" PS3 to a Slim PS3 for one reason, PS2 games, I still play them everyone once in a while and it means I won't need to bring out my fat PS2 if I want to play a PS2 game.

I really don't mind the weight or size of the original PS3. I still have one as a spare. I use the slim due to more reliability and the fact it uses less power and gives out less heat. I have a slim PS2 as well which I can play the original games natively better than the PS3 software emulation in the UK fat version. If you do get the new slim though, power reduction of your console will be 300% less and less worry about your PS3 dying soon.

 

[nick09]

I've got no worry of my system dying. I've done all of the hardware maintenance on my PS3(dust removal and replacement of the thermal paste) and I've got no worry about it overheating and causing a YLOD. My PS3 has the hardware emulation(actual PS2 chips) so I don't have to worry about a PS2 game not working and having to take the old PS2 out for a single game.

Since when do you save 300% electricity? My PS3 has a 384watt PSU while this new PS3 has a 200 watt PSU. That's still not 300% and it's impossible to get 300%. When you divide 200watts by 384watts that is 52% of energy saved compared to the release models. I'll also have to add that the 40GB "phat" PS3(first only release model that can't play PS2 games) only used 280watts compared to a 60GB or 80GB PS3 which uses a 384watt PSU. So what we can see from this is that the PS2 takes a good chunk of power to run while still running things like the XMB in the background.

 

[Moot]

I think if they are still refining the PS3 chips it's because they will be used in the PS4, and lots of them together. Maybe 4x what the PS3 has and 8 times the memory.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I've got no worry of my system dying. I've done all of the hardware maintenance on my PS3(dust removal and replacement of the thermal paste) and I've got no worry about it overheating and causing a YLOD. My PS3 has the hardware emulation(actual PS2 chips) so I don't have to worry about a PS2 game not working and having to take the old PS2 out for a single game.

Since when do you save 300% electricity? My PS3 has a 384watt PSU while this new PS3 has a 200 watt PSU. That's still not 300% and it's impossible to get 300%. When you divide 200watts by 384watts that is 52% of energy saved compared to the release models.

I'm going the other way in terms of calculations, like 384/200. In that case the original PS3 is using 92% more energy. My bad about 300%, it is more like 150-200% as I forgot to take 100% off.

See this and you will see what I mean in terms of actual power consumption. Lower down the page in the form and power consumption section it will tell you more inforation about how much power a game uses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware#Configurations

I think if they are still refining the PS3 chips it's because they will be used in the PS4, and lots of them together. Maybe 4x what the PS3 has and 8 times the memory.

They are doing it so they reduce costs and gain a bigger profit. Also it will allow them to make price cuts without taking on losses. I think the Wii is the only console this console generation not to have a die shrink so that is why the price has not come down a lot. If they did do a die shrink they might be able to get rid of the external PSU and also maybe make the console smaller. The chips they will use in PS4 will most likely be a new design and using 22nm process as a minimum.

 

[Moot]

I'm going the other way in terms of calculations, like 384/200. In that case the original PS3 is using 92% more energy. My bad about 300%, it is more like 150-200% as I forgot to take 100% off.

See this and you will see what I mean in terms of actual power consumption. Lower down the page in the form and power consumption section it will tell you more inforation about how much power a game uses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware#Configurations

SO 180W to 60W, that's 66.6% less energy use, where does the 150-200% come from?
Your original figure of 300% is correct if you say 180W is 300% more energy use than 60W.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

SO 180W to 60W, that's 66.6% less energy use, where does the 150-200% come from?
Your original figure of 300% is correct if you say 180W is 300% more energy use than 60W.

I'm going by (180-60)/60 or (180/60) - 1. The PS3 listed also is not the new one coming so expect it to take around 50W. However using game figures of the older version 209W vs the slim with 40nm RSX 83W it gives a difference of 151% which must mean the new one is around the 150%-200% mark.

 

[nick09]

It still does not work that way. I honestly have not seen computer power supplies that advertise with an 150-200% efficiency rate.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It still does not work that way. I honestly have not seen computer power supplies that advertise with an 150-200% efficiency rate.

It depends on which way you see it. For example my way is correct if you for example say have a slim and you can say "it is using 152% more energy than my slim PS3." Your way is correct in that you can say "it is using 41 less energy than my fat PS3".

About efficiency it will be 33% if you use the way I calculated the percentage difference for a 75% efficient PSU but that just means it is using 33% more power or 25% less power.

Just saw this added bit:

I'll also have to add that the 40GB "phat" PS3(first only release model that can't play PS2 games) only used 280watts compared to a 60GB or 80GB PS3 which uses a 384watt PSU. So what we can see from this is that the PS2 takes a good chunk of power to run while still running things like the XMB in the background.

That big drop is largely due to the Cell cpu getting shrunk from 90nm to 65nm. That is 180 times 0.66 gives about 119W which is around the 130W figure on Wiki.

 

[Robin]

It never was 92nm, both were 90nm. About the PSU being inside, you are correct and I don't know how the person above thinks that they don't. Also the liquid cooling thing the other person mentioned is nonsense too. I don't have any tubes visible on my original 60GB PS3 .

My bad, so many many 'nm' numbers I made a typo!

 

[sumbrownkid]

I'm a bit of an idiot.

What's PSU?

 

[nick09]

Power Supply Unit.

That big drop is largely due to the Cell cpu getting shrunk from 90nm to 65nm. That is 180 times 0.66 gives about 119W which is around the 130W figure on Wiki.

Well the PS2 does only use 50 watts to run so it would only make half of the difference at the most.

 

[Robin]

The new model is out now... lots of changes inside and a few outside like the Sony logo is embossed black, not white, the PS logo is just paint and no longer metal and the button LED's are gone. Its looks cheaper and cheaper everyday but I guess they are improving the innards a bunch.

Those getting a new PS3 soon should probably make sure they are getting this one.

New PS3 slim model revision CECH-3000/1 A/B out now

Several months ago, we had reports and speculations pointing to a new SKU model, which is being described as “CECH-3000″for the PlayStation 3. Now, it is has been officially available to the retailers as they have begun shipping the consoles.

The CECH-3000B is an updated, revised 320 gigabyte system. It slash off power consumption from 230W to 200W, and cuts weight from 3.0kg to 2.6kg. There are also some external changes to the power and eject buttons, along with the removal of LED lamps. The new model is also reportedly has eliminated the ‘crackling’ sound that PS3 Slims model used to suffer, and also it is equipped with a smaller 80mm fan rather than the 120mm of older slims had, but the new ones are very quiet so it is not a problem.

With the new SKU, it is expected that the security team at Sony has added security measures to prevent circumvention of the system. Developers of the PS3 Jailbreak scene has once said that the new system for PS3 will eventually ends the current exploit that has been found.

Pricing remains the same as the older model. Amazon began shipping the new revision of PS3 earlier this week to customers — so if you just ordered a PS3, you may have gotten yourself a new model.

Here are the images shared by TheBanditKing at NeoGAF:

NEW^^^

OLD^^^

Robin.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The new model is out now... lots of changes inside and a few outside like the Sony logo is embossed black, not white, the PS logo is just paint and no longer metal and the button LED's are gone. Its looks cheaper and cheaper everyday but I guess they are improving the innards a bunch.

Those getting a new PS3 soon should probably make sure they are getting this one.



Robin.

I most likely will get this as a temporary upgrade until the 28nm RSX and 32nm/22nm Cell Slim / Super Slim version comes out sometime next year hopefully. I wonder if Sony will announce a price drop at Gamescom.

I like the fact they removed some of the LED lights, gives a better stealth look at say night time. Would have been handy before when I left B-Spec 24hr races on.

 

[Borna12345]

Bad mistake. That thing looks much cheaper, but they are selling it at the same price. Besides, if there are no more LEDs, how can you get YloD?

 

[marchi]

Every ps3 already comes with an expansion point....

 

[BubbleBelly542]

Give us PS4 before 2014!
Give us GT6 bundled!
(NAS function, etc)

Why rush things? Obviously GT6 can't be done in 3 or less years. Are you aware of how long GT5 took to make?

The PS3 is still evolving, we don't need something new yet.