New toyota/lexus

[The359]

A new BMW M5 can more then likely out perform all the cars I listed, but it is still not a sportscar.

'Sportscar' is not just a term of speed, it is a term of style.

I'm sure many homologation specials can outperform sportscars, but they are still not sportscars.

 

[ND4SPD]

Well, yes the Lancer Evo's are very fast sporty cars, so if they're not classified as sports cars, call them sports sedans? Simple.

 

[Solid Fro]

No, the Lancer Evolution is a homologation rally car, as stated by the FIA. The base Lancer is a sedan.

 

[rollazn]

So I am guessing the Subaru Impreza WRX STi is the same thing? Why can't it be just a sedan since the WRX im sure is a sport sedan. The Impreza WRX STi is just a tuned WRX. So are they classified as a "homologation rally car" or are they just a sport sedan just like the WRX?

 

[87chevy]

Mitsubishi has the Lancer Evolution and Mazda, RX8.

Mitsu will be lucky if they exist 2 years from now. Mazda, well, personally the RX8 is one of the ugliest cars out there. I would take a G35 or the less apealing 350Z over the 8 anyday. It's about time Toyota stepped up. It's not like they don't have the ability. They are the #2 car seller in the world. I read in popular mechanics that a new Toy super car was coming. Possibly under the Supra name. And they said it would be +400hp. Popular Mechanics is hardly ever wrong in their reports. And even all covered up, that looks like a damn sexy car! I want!!!

 

[I6-4-eva]

So I am guessing the Subaru Impreza WRX STi is the same thing? Why can't it be just a sedan since the WRX im sure is a sport sedan. The Impreza WRX STi is just a tuned WRX. So are they classified as a "homologation rally car" or are they just a sport sedan just like the WRX?

Everyone has their own definition of what a sports car is. The Impreza WRX STi is a high performance machine and in my opinion a sports car.

Mitsu will be lucky if they exist 2 years from now.

the Evo is selling pretty good so mitsubishi will still be around for a while. I mean they have to atleast be around long enough to bring in the new Eclipse.

 

[Solid Fro]

A Honda Civic can be a high performance car, it must be a sports car! I am so smart!

So what if the Evolution is selling well? An automobile company cannot survive selling only one car. How many Evolutions do you think Mitsubishi can push off the lots? 5,000 a year? Maybe even less.

 

[I6-4-eva]

A Honda Civic can be a high performance car, it must be a sports car! I am so smart!

So what if the Evolution is selling well? An automobile company cannot survive selling only one car. How many Evolutions do you think Mitsubishi can push off the lots? 5,000 a year? Maybe even less.

Well of course no car company can survive just selling one car but atleast they're doing something right with the Evo it has been a hit with younger buyers. I'd say less than 5000 around 3000 at most a year. The biggest disapointment comes from the Galant. The galant's sales have been cut in half compared to last year but despite all of their problems Mitsubishi plans a big sales push for their 2005 Lancer Evolution MR. The limited MR which is based on the RS model comes with 6 gears,retuned suspension, 5 more hp, 15 ft-lb torque and an active center differential. Will it sell? sure why not?

 

[rollazn]

A Honda Civic can be a high performance car, it must be a sports car! I am so smart!

So what if the Evolution is selling well? An automobile company cannot survive selling only one car. How many Evolutions do you think Mitsubishi can push off the lots? 5,000 a year? Maybe even less.

Your wrong. Mitsubishi will not die that easily. There are a lot of people that would possible buy out Mitsubishi and help Mitsubishi through it's time of need. If I remember Nissan went bankrupt also, but Renault, a french company, help Nissan out and bought 44% of Nissan with voting rights.

Mitsubishi is in heavy debt. They need to get out of it. Over 10 billion dollars in debt, Mitsubishi needs help and Chrysler isn't helping Mitsubishi out anymore. Im not sure if they still owns Mitsubishi or what but they refuse to help pay off the 10 billion in debt.

When he was talking about high performance cars, he meant as in stock form. And you know that. Your trying to be such a wise ass.

 

[I6-4-eva]

Mitsubishi is in heavy debt. They need to get out of it. Over 10 billion dollars in debt, Mitsubishi needs help and Chrysler isn't helping Mitsubishi out anymore. Im not sure if they still owns Mitsubishi or what but they refuse to help pay off the 10 billion in debt.

Mitsubishi and DaimlerChrysler got divorced and now they're back together again. DaimlerChrysler just signed a contract with Mitsubishi just recently in which the companies renewed their commitment to joint production and development projects. the joint projects include some "world engine" and the development of a mid-class car platform.

 

[The359]

DCX signed the world engine deal last year, it was unaffected by DCX's choice not to bail out Mitsubishi. Neither is DCX's plans to share the new Magnum platform with Mitsubishi and for Mitsubishi to share the upcoming Lancer platform with DCX.

All other plans though have been put on hold. This includes DCX pulling out of Mitsubishi's Normal, Ill plant, meaning DCX will build the Sebring/Stratus replacements elsewhere.

 

[Solid Fro]

When he was talking about high performance cars, he meant as in stock form. And you know that. Your trying to be such a wise ass.

He was? Hmm, lets take a look...

Everyone has their own definition of what a sports car is. The Impreza WRX STi is a high performance machine and in my opinion a sports car.

An Impreza STi isn't exactly in stock form nor is it a sports car.

Done.

 

[rollazn]

We know that the Impreza WRX STi is tuned by Subaru's home tuning company. It is sold as a production car. He could have easily meant all type of production cars. But here is what I think.

Let’s use Honda as an example. Mugen is Honda’s home tuning company. The owner of Honda or the president is also the president or owner of Mugen. Therefore Mugen is actually part of Honda. Unlike other tuning company like Spoon, which is just a Honda based tuning company; it has nothing to do with Honda itself.

Honda can easily sell Mugen S2000 under their Honda dealerships. Why? Because the same president of Honda is the same as Mugen.

Would you consider the Neon SRT-4 stock? Most would although it’s tuned by its home tuning company Street & Racing Technology (I believe). It is still sold under Dodge. It’s like Dodge could have just sold it as Neon and not putting the SRT-4 badge on it. Although it would be a tad confusing. Same thing with the Subaru Impreza WRX STi.

I hope you get what I mean. Im not saying your wrong, but it seems like you’re trying to be such a wise ass. You get what we are trying to say. At least I hope so.

Is it really done? No. You are just stating your opinion, what should be considering a “sport car”. We all have different opinions. We might consider the Integra Type R a sport car, if you don’t that’s fine with me.

 

[skip0110]

We know that the Impreza WRX STi is tuned by Subaru's home tuning company. It is sold as a production car. He could have easily meant all type of production cars. But here is what I think.

Let’s use Honda as an example. Mugen is Honda’s home tuning company. The owner of Honda or the president is also the president or owner of Mugen. Therefore Mugen is actually part of Honda. Unlike other tuning company like Spoon, which is just a Honda based tuning company; it has nothing to do with Honda itself.

Honda can easily sell Mugen S2000 under their Honda dealerships. Why? Because the same president of Honda is the same as Mugen.

Would you consider the Neon SRT-4 stock? Most would although it’s tuned by its home tuning company Street & Racing Technology (I believe). It is still sold under Dodge. It’s like Dodge could have just sold it as Neon and not putting the SRT-4 badge on it. Although it would be a tad confusing. Same thing with the Subaru Impreza WRX STi.

I disagree:
WRX STi - production car
Mugen S2000 - not production car
Neon SRT-4 - production car
Mustang Cobra R - production car
RSX Factory performance - not production car

The difference between them is that a production car is built in-house, in the factory. The Mugen/Factory performance cars are assembled by the dealer. You could also buy the parts and install them yourself. While Cobra R's and SRT's have production numbers, nobody really knows how many Mugen S2000s are on the streets.

Mugen happens to have the same owner as Honda, but is not an in-house tuning arm, like BMW's M, Subaru's STi, Dodge's SRT or Cadillac's V Series.

 

[87chevy]

blah blah blah....

Doesn anyone know anything new about the Lexus/Toy super car???

 

[rollazn]

I disagree:
WRX STi - production car
Mugen S2000 - not production car
Neon SRT-4 - production car
Mustang Cobra R - production car
RSX Factory performance - not production car

The difference between them is that a production car is built in-house, in the factory. The Mugen/Factory performance cars are assembled by the dealer. You could also buy the parts and install them yourself. While Cobra R's and SRT's have production numbers, nobody really knows how many Mugen S2000s are on the streets.

Mugen happens to have the same owner as Honda, but is not an in-house tuning arm, like BMW's M, Subaru's STi, Dodge's SRT or Cadillac's V Series.

But your wrong, Mugen is the "in-house tuning arm". They just don't have a lot of cars avaliable. They had concepts like Mugen S2000. If it was to be produced it would go under Honda Mugen S2000 or something along that line. I know what you are saying but just because Mugen's name is interfering, Mugen is still the in house tuning arm of Honda. That is a fact that can't be change. It might be sold under Mugen but it is still teh in house tuning of Honda.

Thats my opinion. Might differ, according to you.

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one! Some may stink .

 

[fast1]

rollazn, there is a huge difference between mugen and STi. Mugen is to Honda what Alpine is to BMW, or Brabus to MB. Honda doesn't control Mugen.

While STi is practically just a name for the top model. STi is a department within Subaru, that's all just marketing. Companies tend to separate their sport devisions, since it improves the image of the car. WRX STi is a Subaru and it is a production car.

And, btw, car doesn't have to be a coupe to be a sports car.

 

[rollazn]

Why do you think that? Any proof. I know for a fact that Honda's tuning division is Mugen. Spoon is probably what you are thinking of. Spoon is to Honda what Brabus is to MB. But Mugen is to Honda what AMG is to MB.

I know Mugen is the official and the only racing division/tuning division of Honda.

STi is Subaru Technical (spelled different) International or something along that line. It is the tuning division of Subaru. I guess Subaru asked STi to tuned a WRX for them, and it is sold under Subaru.

I guess you can call it a stock or tuned car, depending on how you see it.

 

[fast1]

Spoon is probably what you are thinking of.

Ups. You are actually right. I was talking about Spoon. My mistake.

But has Mugen ever made a production car? All i can think off are some concepts and race cars.

 

[rollazn]

I don't think so. There have been rumors and concepts... Im not sure just yet.

Even if it don't have any production car in Honda's line dosen't mean it's not its official aftermarket tuning company.

 

[JrunkenC]

If I remember correctly, its not MUGEN anymore its M-TEC. Like v-tec except with an M.

Back on topic, do i see 3 tailpipes? WTF?? haha thats funny, kinda like the 4 pipes of the Zonda. Oh and the driver is sitting on the left side. MUAHAHAA!!! Score one for the Yankees (and/or everyone else except the Japanese and Brits)!!

 

[pimp racer]

This car looks promising!