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- JDA1982
And Rome night.
New Track GT5 - Madrid
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- gillrichard
The night races were some of the best!
Big TV, lights out, enduro, me and my TVR...good days!
Big TV, lights out, enduro, me and my TVR...good days!
Blake
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- haswell00
Okay, here’s some quotes from last year at Spa:
Felipe Massa: “For sure Eau Rouge isn't a very demanding corner any more”
Nick Heidfeld: “…you can go Eau Rouge and Blanchimont flat out without a problem, so the circuit has lost its ultimate thrill.”
And even from way back in 2002:
Ralf Schumacher: “Today you can drive it without any concern, as the cars remain stable.”
Jenson Button: “I think the challenge is more in the heads of the media than the drivers.”
And a video to demonstrate how easily flat out it is:
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- Lisboa
- FLAT_TWELVE
Well, since GT5 isn't a F1 game I won't mind feeling happy when I manage - in the future - to go through Eau Rouge flat out with any other road or racecar. If GT5 gives us Spa.
OT - I race there (Spa) almost every night in TRD3 online (great races and 99% of great drivers/racers, I think the "kids" are all playing GT5P now
).
OT - I race there (Spa) almost every night in TRD3 online (great races and 99% of great drivers/racers, I think the "kids" are all playing GT5P now
).
- 26,793
- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
I think we're getting a lot away from this Madrid topic. Let me try to keep this train on its tracks (so to speak).
More info on Madrid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid
Google Maps (broadband recommended): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Madri...um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title
I would think that a track around Madrid would usually showcase landmarks and stuff. One such attraction in Madrid is the Parque del Retiro with a monument of Alfonso XII. This venue is the largest park in Madrid and overlooks a large lake. There is a beautiful building called the Palacio de Correos, Here is an idea of what streets could look like if we were to race around the streets of Madrid in GT5 or in some edition of GT5P: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Calle_de_Alcalá_(Madrid)_02.jpg >. Overall, this city has a beautiful mix of past and present. Spanish architecture is quite beautiful. I think a race course that shows some of the classical architecture along with some modern buildings (and not to mention a competitive race track as well) can be an awe-inspiring adventure in Gran Turismo 5. It will be the first Spanish track in GT, and the second Spanish venue featured in any GT game. Also imagine if SEAT returns to GT, but gives you the chance to race the Seat Cupra GT Prototype. Imagine having to race the streets of Madrid in a Super License test using the SEAT Cupra GT Prototype. Sound like fun? I just think PD needs to add more SEAT vehicles just to add to the Spanish flavor. Only other Spanish company I'm aware of is the long-defunct Hispano-Suiza.
I think for each nationality of car in GT, there should be at least one racing venue from that country. Nations that have been featured for cars, but not tracks before GT5P include the following:
* Australia (Tickford/Ford Australia, Holden, Ford Performance Vehicles)
* The Netherlands (Spyker)
* Sweden (Volvo)
* Belgium (Gillet)
* Canada (HPA Motorsports (based in Canada, but listed as an American make))
I'd still love to see what kind of streets will be used in Madrid for Gran Turismo action.
More info on Madrid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid
Google Maps (broadband recommended): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Madri...um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title
I would think that a track around Madrid would usually showcase landmarks and stuff. One such attraction in Madrid is the Parque del Retiro with a monument of Alfonso XII. This venue is the largest park in Madrid and overlooks a large lake. There is a beautiful building called the Palacio de Correos, Here is an idea of what streets could look like if we were to race around the streets of Madrid in GT5 or in some edition of GT5P: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Calle_de_Alcalá_(Madrid)_02.jpg >. Overall, this city has a beautiful mix of past and present. Spanish architecture is quite beautiful. I think a race course that shows some of the classical architecture along with some modern buildings (and not to mention a competitive race track as well) can be an awe-inspiring adventure in Gran Turismo 5. It will be the first Spanish track in GT, and the second Spanish venue featured in any GT game. Also imagine if SEAT returns to GT, but gives you the chance to race the Seat Cupra GT Prototype. Imagine having to race the streets of Madrid in a Super License test using the SEAT Cupra GT Prototype. Sound like fun? I just think PD needs to add more SEAT vehicles just to add to the Spanish flavor. Only other Spanish company I'm aware of is the long-defunct Hispano-Suiza.
I think for each nationality of car in GT, there should be at least one racing venue from that country. Nations that have been featured for cars, but not tracks before GT5P include the following:
* Australia (Tickford/Ford Australia, Holden, Ford Performance Vehicles)
* The Netherlands (Spyker)
* Sweden (Volvo)
* Belgium (Gillet)
* Canada (HPA Motorsports (based in Canada, but listed as an American make))
I'd still love to see what kind of streets will be used in Madrid for Gran Turismo action.
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I'm Spanish and I've been at Madrid a few times. After talking with people from the city and from what I know from my times there, we agree this would be one of the best interpretations that we could imagine for the GT5 track, although it is insanely long for an urban one.
North of the city, from Plaza de Castilla (where Kio Towers are) to Cibeles passing by Real Madrid stadium, then Gran Vía to Plaza de España
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/110347585_1870cc0873_m.jpg
http://www.fororealmadrid.com/images/estadio/Estadio_Bernabeu.jpg
http://www.hergim.net/cpg149/albums/Fotos Digitales/Ciudades y Pueblos/Madrid/normal_Cibeles.jpg
http://zaragozando.blogia.com/upload/20070719095333-puerta-alcala.jpg
http://www.ectours.com/_borders/MAD-Gran_Via.JPG
http://madridspain.ca/images/edificioespana.jpg
North of the city, from Plaza de Castilla (where Kio Towers are) to Cibeles passing by Real Madrid stadium, then Gran Vía to Plaza de España
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/110347585_1870cc0873_m.jpg
http://www.fororealmadrid.com/images/estadio/Estadio_Bernabeu.jpg
http://www.hergim.net/cpg149/albums/Fotos Digitales/Ciudades y Pueblos/Madrid/normal_Cibeles.jpg
http://zaragozando.blogia.com/upload/20070719095333-puerta-alcala.jpg
http://www.ectours.com/_borders/MAD-Gran_Via.JPG
http://madridspain.ca/images/edificioespana.jpg
- 26,793
- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
This (Post #42)... for a Grand Prix-style street race? I even once imagined a Gran Turismo race here in Houston around the Houston Galleria shopping center or even a high-speed race around Rice University. I don't think I know too many street courses that were extremely long (over 5 miles). Tokyo R246 was essentially a bus route that also made for one wonderful race track that I've loved since it was introduced in GT3. The Rome Circuit was quite technical for a street course. Seattle can be an undulating thrill ride with the hills and stuff. The New York Track was a high-speed run down Times Square and going around Central Park. Seoul was a short street course. And while I don't know too much about Seoul itself, I want to imagine a great deal of what Seoul has to offer as a city and as an environment has been shown well. Hong Kong was a tough street course in an unusual setting. I'm not sure if it was evening or sunrise. I would have been happier if it was either late twilight or full nighttime. I'm talking about a mostly clear night with the sun not fully disappearing into the horizon.
I think if PD is coming up with a street course, two goals will have to be accomplished with every street course: (1) capture as much of the city's appeal into a single Grand Prix-style race course, and (2) build a competitive street course that can be appreciated by all. So a street course around the inner slums of Los Angeles or favelas of Rio de Janerio wouldn't work too well if you're trying to show off the city in some sort of way. Likewise, a parking lot of a sporting arena isn't really a backdrop of the city represented. I've loved the new Houston street course that goes around the parking lot of Reliant Park. You are minutes away from the Texas Medical Center when around Reliant Park. But hey... your idea of a Madrid street course COULD happen. We'll just have to see what PD comes up with.
I think if PD is coming up with a street course, two goals will have to be accomplished with every street course: (1) capture as much of the city's appeal into a single Grand Prix-style race course, and (2) build a competitive street course that can be appreciated by all. So a street course around the inner slums of Los Angeles or favelas of Rio de Janerio wouldn't work too well if you're trying to show off the city in some sort of way. Likewise, a parking lot of a sporting arena isn't really a backdrop of the city represented. I've loved the new Houston street course that goes around the parking lot of Reliant Park. You are minutes away from the Texas Medical Center when around Reliant Park. But hey... your idea of a Madrid street course COULD happen. We'll just have to see what PD comes up with.
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I think part of the probem is that they try to run the circuit past as many landmarks as possible so that we know we're in the city. While I don't have a problem with that - I'm sure gamers want to think they're in the city rater than racing through suburbia or something - it does tend to make for a bland circuit. There was only really one challenging corner on New York, Seoul and Geroges V Paris: the big 270-deree ones. If there is indeed a Madrid street circuit in the game, the first thing that has to go is this type of corner. Sure, it's fun every now and again, but it just gets repetitive - and therefore redundant - when there ones in almost every single street circuit based on a real city in the game ...
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- xmartin86x
well well....i guess.... they should try to add..... SIngapore's F1 Circuit and make it a night/day race....
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I dont think anyone should expect it to be as good as SSR11, or even SSR5 or Monaco. However I would hope it ends up better than the crap theyve been giving us lately with London, Seoul and especially New York. PD has shown us it can invent challenging and enjoyable urban circuits in real world locations with Tokyo (R246) and Hong Kong (Kowloon), im hoping they can create another good one in Madrid.
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- ProlineRacing
How about a run along a coast somewhere. Don,t remember a coastal circuit in any of the GT's.💡
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- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
Run along a coast... unless you don't mean going around the first part of Costa di Amalfi, right (or for those who think Citta di Aria is the best while no one cares about Amalfi)? Or do you mean an open circuit with nothing but coastline?
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- ProlineRacing
Yeah a point to point type race,would be a first in GT world.Would open up a lot new possibilities!
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- GTP_BrokenVow, zmikedz
kind of a first, i guess, but GT2 had Pikes Peak Hill Climb.
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- GTP_Redline
- ProlineRacing
That's right,forgot about that.
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- slicecom
I hate racing on tracks that don't exist in real life! I thought this was supposed to be a SIM. The tracks should all be REAL in my opinion. There are so many great and REAL tracks GT5 does not have why keep making more fake ones!? It's not like Polyphony doesn't have the money to get some more real tracks in the game! 
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- FactoryDriver
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- GTP_Royalton
I hate racing on tracks that don't exist in real life! I thought this was supposed to be a SIM. The tracks should all be REAL in my opinion. There are so many great and REAL tracks GT5 does not have why keep making more fake ones!? It's not like Polyphony doesn't have the money to get some more real tracks in the game!
Good points
Instead of concentrating on making fictious, usually bad street tracks like london they should be focusing on
- Monaco
- Macau
- isle of man
- Long Beach
- St Petersburg
And many more great street tracks
Fake Street tracks PD has made and has succeded at:
Tokyo R246
SSR11
SSR5
Fake Street tracks PD has made and has failed at:
Seoul
New York
London
Opera Paris
George V Paris
Seattle
Rome
Hong Kong
I say they should stick to real street courses
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- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
Just because tracks don't exist in real life doesn't mean they can't be enjoyable. It's just a game. Do you expect to find every last track in games someplace in the world? I know people have their views about tracks, but I'm perfectly fine racing a track in a game that doesn't exist in real life. Are you going to expect to find Complex String (GT3) someplace in the world? It's just a racing game with its own environment and wold. And you have to admit that it can be quite creative when a game developer can create their own race tracks which are just as competitive and as challenging as any real circuit. I find it for challenge, not so much looking for tracks that don't exist.
Having said this (and there's no way you can equate a Madrid track to being as good as Special Stage Route 11), I was thinking about some of the past GT city tracks. Rome was every bit as competitive as any technical road course. I always thought Tokyo R246 was always a mix of technical and high speed that I've enjoyed since GT3. So it isn't like GT is so devoid of real circuits that it's unrealistic as far as any real-life connections. Hell, I've loved San Francisco in Enthusia (called "Pacific Gateway"). The only real-world city course in any GT game is Cote d'Azur. As much as we drive cars in GT that we may never drive in real life, there are places in the world where we may never experience. I may never go to Madrid. I love cars and racing. Best of both worlds= a circuit around Madrid using real city roads unlike the completely fantasy "Ridge Racer Type 4." I'm perfectly fine with this. It's about imagination for me. I applaud creativity in track design as well as in creating these fantasy courses. People love the PGR series (and I am a fan myself)... do people complain that there aren't enough real racing courses in PGR like there are in GT? Real cities are featured in PGR games, but only (and I may be wrong) the Nürburgring Nordschleife as far as any real-life courses go. Sure PGR isn't about real circuit racing, but again- the creativity of being able to go race ANYWHERE in the world created by a game developer is sweet. I'm sure whatever track PD is working on captures the spirit of a city while making a competitive race track. That's even if it's Seoul short or Costa di Amalfi long. Tell you one thing... it's going to be cool racing around those streets in any kind of automobile or competition machine.
Having said this (and there's no way you can equate a Madrid track to being as good as Special Stage Route 11), I was thinking about some of the past GT city tracks. Rome was every bit as competitive as any technical road course. I always thought Tokyo R246 was always a mix of technical and high speed that I've enjoyed since GT3. So it isn't like GT is so devoid of real circuits that it's unrealistic as far as any real-life connections. Hell, I've loved San Francisco in Enthusia (called "Pacific Gateway"). The only real-world city course in any GT game is Cote d'Azur. As much as we drive cars in GT that we may never drive in real life, there are places in the world where we may never experience. I may never go to Madrid. I love cars and racing. Best of both worlds= a circuit around Madrid using real city roads unlike the completely fantasy "Ridge Racer Type 4." I'm perfectly fine with this. It's about imagination for me. I applaud creativity in track design as well as in creating these fantasy courses. People love the PGR series (and I am a fan myself)... do people complain that there aren't enough real racing courses in PGR like there are in GT? Real cities are featured in PGR games, but only (and I may be wrong) the Nürburgring Nordschleife as far as any real-life courses go. Sure PGR isn't about real circuit racing, but again- the creativity of being able to go race ANYWHERE in the world created by a game developer is sweet. I'm sure whatever track PD is working on captures the spirit of a city while making a competitive race track. That's even if it's Seoul short or Costa di Amalfi long. Tell you one thing... it's going to be cool racing around those streets in any kind of automobile or competition machine.
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HAHA new F1 cars too?!?! Sweet!! can't wait..Mclaren? BMW Sauber? aww man..this is gonna be GREAT!
