New Van/MiniVan?
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I never heard of a car getting that bad result in ENCAP. Mabye you have different standards in the US but in europe ENCAP has a huge impact of how car companys design cars to be safe.
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*coughs* I'm English...
And it appeared I lied... It didn't get an overall zero stars - it got an overall 2-stars - but was the first vehicle to manage 0% in any single test (the front impact). Sorry puddin...
http://www.fia.com/tourisme/Ncap6/CHRYSLER_Voyager/CHRYSLER_VOYAGER.html - Test scores: Front 0pts (0%); Side 14(78%); Overall 14(41)%; Pedestrian 6(17%)
Frontal Impact
The steering wheel and air bag were forced upwards and into the driver's face, hitting his head hard and putting strain on his neck. The driver's chest also hit the steering wheel, increasing risk of injury. His knees were poorly protected too, and the chances of him injuring his left thigh were very high. The footwell spilt open and his lower legs and feet were poorly protected. The passenger also ran a considerable risk of chest injury.
Side Impact
The Voyager was generally effective in reducing serious injury risks for the driver in this test. As with other vehicles in this class, the driver sits above the point of likely impact with a conventional car and is safeguarded from injury as a result.
Child Restraint
A passenger frontal airbag is fitted as standard, and the warning against placing a rear-facing restraint in this position met Euro NCAP's requirements, except that it was given only in English. It should also be in at least one of the languages of the country where it is sold. The car tested was left-hand drive and bought in mainland Europe. Chrysler do not recommend a child restraint to European buyers, although those used in these tests were recommended to Euro NCAP by Chrysler. That said, an integral child seat is available as an option but only for Voyagers sold in the United States. The restraints tested gave only poor overall protection.
Pedestrian Protection
The Voyager made no obvious concessions to pedestrian protection. Most impact sites tested did not provide much cushioning at all. Generally, where pedestrians made contact with the windscreen they ran a smaller risk of serious injury than if they were were struck by other parts of the car.
Edited edit: Euro-NCAP results - http://www.euroncap.com/results.htm
And it appeared I lied... It didn't get an overall zero stars - it got an overall 2-stars - but was the first vehicle to manage 0% in any single test (the front impact). Sorry puddin...
http://www.fia.com/tourisme/Ncap6/CHRYSLER_Voyager/CHRYSLER_VOYAGER.html - Test scores: Front 0pts (0%); Side 14(78%); Overall 14(41)%; Pedestrian 6(17%)
Frontal Impact
The steering wheel and air bag were forced upwards and into the driver's face, hitting his head hard and putting strain on his neck. The driver's chest also hit the steering wheel, increasing risk of injury. His knees were poorly protected too, and the chances of him injuring his left thigh were very high. The footwell spilt open and his lower legs and feet were poorly protected. The passenger also ran a considerable risk of chest injury.
Side Impact
The Voyager was generally effective in reducing serious injury risks for the driver in this test. As with other vehicles in this class, the driver sits above the point of likely impact with a conventional car and is safeguarded from injury as a result.
Child Restraint
A passenger frontal airbag is fitted as standard, and the warning against placing a rear-facing restraint in this position met Euro NCAP's requirements, except that it was given only in English. It should also be in at least one of the languages of the country where it is sold. The car tested was left-hand drive and bought in mainland Europe. Chrysler do not recommend a child restraint to European buyers, although those used in these tests were recommended to Euro NCAP by Chrysler. That said, an integral child seat is available as an option but only for Voyagers sold in the United States. The restraints tested gave only poor overall protection.
Pedestrian Protection
The Voyager made no obvious concessions to pedestrian protection. Most impact sites tested did not provide much cushioning at all. Generally, where pedestrians made contact with the windscreen they ran a smaller risk of serious injury than if they were were struck by other parts of the car.
Edited edit: Euro-NCAP results - http://www.euroncap.com/results.htm
I was pointing to the previous posters that talked about US crashtest standards. Sometimes my grammar knowledge isn't sufficient to get my aims right.. or I was just lazy perhaps
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Ah okay I get yer...
Yes - 2 stars is pretty crappy. The thought processes of most people would go "5 stars best, 4 stars great, 3 stars good, 2 stars average, 1 star bad, 0 stars awful", but it doesn't work like that. Anything with less than 4 stars for driver/passenger is unlikely to allow you to get out of the car after a crash - if you're still conscious. 2 stars, you can probably kiss your ass goodbye...
I get yer...Yes - 2 stars is pretty crappy. The thought processes of most people would go "5 stars best, 4 stars great, 3 stars good, 2 stars average, 1 star bad, 0 stars awful", but it doesn't work like that. Anything with less than 4 stars for driver/passenger is unlikely to allow you to get out of the car after a crash - if you're still conscious. 2 stars, you can probably kiss your ass goodbye...
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Here's some snapshots of the front impact - a 40mph collision into a 1000kg, 40% offset, deformable barrier. Keep an eye on the A and B pillars - think you can get out?
Peugeot 807 (and Citroen C8, Lancia Phedre and FIAT Ulysse). 5 stars, 81% front impact rating:
Renault Espace, 4 stars, 69% front impact rating:
VW Sharan (and Ford Galaxy, Seat Alhambra), 3 stars, 38% front impact rating:
Kia Sedona, 2 stars, 25% front impact rating:
Chrysler Voyager (Dodge Caravan), 2 stars, 0% front impact rating
Nuff said, I think?
Peugeot 807 (and Citroen C8, Lancia Phedre and FIAT Ulysse). 5 stars, 81% front impact rating:
Renault Espace, 4 stars, 69% front impact rating:
VW Sharan (and Ford Galaxy, Seat Alhambra), 3 stars, 38% front impact rating:
Kia Sedona, 2 stars, 25% front impact rating:
Chrysler Voyager (Dodge Caravan), 2 stars, 0% front impact rating
Nuff said, I think?
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Almost every internal bit of the Voyager/Caravan deforms and hits SOMEONE inside the car - noticed that the front wheel has vanished? Wonder where that's gone... They say that the wheel hits the driver's face, causing severe head and neck injuries, the passenger is exposed to chest injuries and the footwell opens up - causing injuries to lower limbs.
They aren't fond of the Kia either - it's another 2 star remember (the only other common 2 star car was the Ford Escort which deformed so much they actually use the phrase "fatal injuries" in the text!). But at least you're not trapped in the bugger!
They aren't fond of the Kia either - it's another 2 star remember (the only other common 2 star car was the Ford Escort which deformed so much they actually use the phrase "fatal injuries" in the text!). But at least you're not trapped in the bugger!
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Do you think they meant steering wheel?
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Read my post a little further up - the one with most words in it... That's lifted from the EuroNCAP site...
I chose the words in the next post poorly - I was observing that the front wheel seems to have been driven up inside it's housing. Then I mentioned their paragraph about the "wheel" - which is the steering wheel - smashing into the driver's face (and let's not forget that the airbag is firing during this)... Sorry for the confusion.
That's lifted from the EuroNCAP site...I chose the words in the next post poorly - I was observing that the front wheel seems to have been driven up inside it's housing. Then I mentioned their paragraph about the "wheel" - which is the steering wheel - smashing into the driver's face (and let's not forget that the airbag is firing during this)... Sorry for the confusion.
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I discussed this with my family, and so far, I think we're choosing between the Nissan Quest, Sienna, Caravan, and the Honda Odyssey. More choices are popping up, but we'll see.
Hey, what's that web site you go to to compare cars or something like that?
Hey, what's that web site you go to to compare cars or something like that?
