Nissan 240SX Super HiCAS

[MasterGT-R34]

I finally decided on getting a 240. I want to get one with Super HiCAS But I don't know which Year has it. I know that it's over a 89'. Also Is it only in the Fast/Hatch Back That it's found?


My Bad I didn't notice that I used a @ insted of 2

 

[kikie]

IMy Bad I didn't notice that I used a @ insted of 2

You can still change @ into a 2. Edit your post and change the title.

 

[Boz Mon]

Whats HiCas?

 

[CDailey]

It's the 4 wheel steering system Nissan used on several cars.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

Thanks Kikie for the info on that

 

[ND4SPD]

Just wondering, what makes you want to get one with super HICAS than one without? Is the 4 wheel steering really that noticeable? The hicas system only moves each rear wheel to a maximum of 1 degree. How much of a difference does it make?

 

[C4p4tch]

Hey MasterGT-R34 my friend linked me to this thread so I thought I'd chime in.

Being the owner of a 240sx (I have a '90 Fastback base model) I can say that you have decided to go with an excellent car!

Now to answer your question... It came on Fastbacks ONLY from 1991-1993 (A lot of people in the 240sx crowd will refer to these years as Chuki S13s). It never came on Coupes in the US (In Japan it did, IIRC). The system is also not nearly as good as the system that was used on Skylines and Z cars.

Personally, I would not get a car that is equipped with it. As it isn't good to have when you want to drift or auto-x the car (assuming you want to do either of these). However, the stock LSD that came with the HICAS equipped cars is nice to have for those two activities. You can eliminate the HICAS pretty easily using an eliminator kit (they aren't that expensive) and you will essentially have a non-HICAS car.

I'm on the 240sx.org forums (aka NICO) you can look me up on there as Feint of Heart. Or you can send me a message on here or AIM (SwimZenkiS13) if you have any other questions.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeroforum?id=44 < That is the 240sx General Chat. If you Search you will probably be able to find any answers you may need (make sure you search before asking though as people are quick to jump on new members who ask the same question over and over again.)

Good luck! And if you get the car make sure to let me know! And sign up on the NICO forums if you already haven't!

 

[Jay]

I hardly notice it functioning at all, I like it (Especially the later light weight electric motor version) as it does help slightly on high speed corner stability. I'm suprised MasterGT-R34 wants it as most people want to remove it(especially with 240sx's, 180sx's and Silvias) as they believe it will make them a mad drifter.....

 

[Perfect Balance]

most people want to remove it(especially with 240sx's, 180sx's and Silvias) as they believe it will make them a mad drifter.....

Not exactly, I've heard that it tends to be unpredictable.

 

[blargonator]

i've generally heard its a great option to look for if your plan is to auto-x, atleast better than none, though unless you plan on being nationally competitive what is the point of going nuts?

 

[Jay]

Not exactly, I've heard that it tends to be unpredictable.

The fact is most wannabe drifters don't know what effect it will/has on them so they assume that there skills will immediately improve when they remove it. Removing it removes any mild unwanted behavour from the HICAS while drifting but it wont increase skill (as many I have talked to seems to think).


I personally like it, but have friends that remove/disable theirs and they don't even drift, all just because the import trend of removing it. Just like removing their R32 Skyline GTR rear wings but leaving holes in the boot/trunk just cause they dragster style is in (another friend of mine).

 

[r33_gts]

There is no really need to get rid of Hicas, even though many do. Im new by the way Anyways, Hicas only really activates when the vehical travels around 130km/h(80mph), reasons, as some of you people already said, it interfers with the handlin of the vehical during racing, making it unpredictable. My brother owns a skyline, which most you know has the 4WS Hicas system, its good on freeway, but on track, ita differ story.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

So does that that mean that the Hicas system will cause understeer?

The reason for me wanting to look for one is because I thought it would be good But if a normas 240 has a better advantage than the other. I guess it woudn't matter to me, but that diff. would be nice for driving. Is their anyway to tell if a 240 has the system?

 

[Jay]

There is no really need to get rid of Hicas, even though many do. Im new by the way Anyways, Hicas only really activates when the vehical travels around 130km/h(80mph),.

Yes, but the problem with drifting is under heavy wheel spin the speed sensors are reading the rear wheel speed causing incorrect data to the HICAS computer (Super HICAS), which means the rear wheels can start steering at low speeds aswell if the car is wheel spinning enough.

My brother owns a skyline, which most you know has the 4WS Hicas system, its good on freeway, but on track, ita differ story.

Yes, although not all R32-R34 Skylines are fitted with HICAS or Super HICAS.

its good on freeway, but on track, ita differ story

It's also good on the track (hot laps etc, but not drifting).

So does that that mean that the Hicas system will cause understeer?

No not at all.

Is their anyway to tell if a 240 has the system?

If it has HICAS it may be written on the car, if not, it will have a HICAS light on the dashcluster (Not easily visible while the light is off) and if you get under the rear of the car you will see the rear steering rack and tie rods connected to the hubs.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

Then I can get a system and turn it on and off as i need

 

[Perfect Balance]

So does that that mean that the Hicas system will cause understeer?

The 240sx, at least the s13 chassis, has a bit of understeer in the stock form, so that is normal.

Another reason why people would remove it is because car's tend to be more reliable with as little electronic devices as possible, especially if you drive your car hard.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

I know this is off from Hicas but I was looking and saw were someone put Z32 headlights on a 240. Would that be hard

 

[Perfect Balance]

I know this is off from Hicas but I was looking and saw were someone put Z32 headlights on a 240. Would that be hard

Are you sure? They arn't anything near the right size or shape. I know people have done R33 lights on an S14, and some company called eastbear used to make non flip up conversions for the 240sx, but I have never see z32 lights on them.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

Yes at this website
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/185067

 

[Jay]

Ahh that looks awful! (IMO)

 

[MasterGT-R34]

But it should be better than the flip up's right?

 

[Leonidae]

well, depending of used materials, it could result as small decrease in weight..

 

[Perfect Balance]

well, depending of used materials, it could result as small decrease in weight..

It probably would cost around the same to do an s13 front end conversion, since you have to cut the hood and stuff on the 240sx to do the 300zx conversion. It probably weighs less too, since the s13 front end weighs 24lb less. It's not worth it I think.

Ahh that looks awful! (IMO)

I agree, the lights look too big for the car.

 

[MasterGT-R34]

Can Some one please explain LSD's to me and which one would be best for drift/daily driving

 

[rotary_freq]

That must've took a lot of work buddy. Some one oughta mention to you that you're looking at QUITE a different machine than your current Chevy Celebrity that you have. This car is a rear wheel drive wich I'm sure you're aware of, what I know you have no concept of is that it comes with an open differential. Don't get this car and think you're going to start doing some crazy ass takumi drifts around the mall parking lot.

Keep in mind there is no drift scene here in madison, other than the ricer kids driving up and down the main drag getting pulled over by the police, there's really no scene here at all.

You need to understand the mechanics of a car before you go and **** with it, especially you Master GTR. I know you're a good kid, and I think you're pretty cool, but you still have a lot to learn.

I advise you pick up a 240SX is you so wish, but make sure you ask lots of questions, I'm sure there are plenty of people around here that can give you some good advice, and you really should listen to them. Don't think I'm trying to call you out or anything, it just seems like your enthusiasm is a bit misguided, possibly too infulenced by the arcade games you and me play too much.