Non rally cars @Swiss Alps

[Thatman]

Well I did a search about not using traditional rally cars at rally courses and I basically came up with a bunch of people asking about how to beat the rally courses and everyone telling them to use evos and suubies, escudo...ECT. So sorry if somehow this has been covered before. Well I wanted to find out what’s the best unlikely rally car and or a straight up 4wd stock car like Nissans and RUFs. Flamve and I took the same car, gave it an oil change, then put it to the test. I would appreciate to hear about other unlikely 4wd cars as well, as we only spent about half an hour doing this. Oh and BTW we only did it at Swiss Alps.
Flamve Thatman
Audi TT 3.2 Quattro '03 1'48.999 1'48.854
Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR-4'98 1'45.740 1'43.930
Nissan Skyline GT-R M.N.P.II'99 1'42.411 1'43.513
Toyota Celica GT-Four '98 1'48.503 1'47.302
RUF CTR 2 '96 1'36.813 1'38.005

We didn't get time to do any other cars but please post your time with the cars we used or any others, just keep'em stock and have one oil change. Or tell me what you think is a good non traditional rally car, but please shy away from the evos and wrxs we already know they are good. And I did think about putting this topic in this thread here: Spot Races and Lap Time Comparisons
But I thought that this would be more of a general discussion.

One more thing, if anyone has tried and figured out the correlation between Forza's tires and Gt4's please tell us because our tests were inconclusive.

 

[daan]

You haven't exactly picked non-rally cars though. The GT-four was designed to rally. The CTR2 is loosely based on a 911, and it was rather handy at rallying in its day.

Rally cars don't have to be 4wd drive either.

You should be trying out Vipers and Corvettes and Jensen Interceptors and the like. Something you would never see rallying.

 

[Duke]

The Motorsports Elise is a ball at Swiss Alps.

 

[BobK]

I'd have to nominate the Dodge Ram Laramie because it absolutely dominates in the Special Conditions Hall; I've won 56 of the 63 races with it. Some day I hope to add two more from that hall (Grand Canyon Hard).

I just bought a new Dodge pickup because my other one has been ported and polished and engine balanced. I changed the oil and slapped some dirt tires on it. I entered it in the Swiss Alps (easy) race, turned a 1'56.724 first lap and 1'47.629 second lap. I could have pushed harder but when it became obvious it wasn't much of a contest I backed off a bit, winning by 14+ seconds.

 

[Thatman]

You haven't exactly picked non-rally cars though. The GT-four was designed to rally. The CTR2 is loosely based on a 911, and it was rather handy at rallying in its day.

Rally cars don't have to be 4wd drive either.

You should be trying out Vipers and Corvettes and Jensen Interceptors and the like. Something you would never see rallying.

Yeah I knew the Celica had a rally version of it but, I thought any stock cars would do. Now I didn't know that Porsche had done anything in rally, thanks for pointing that out, and no the cars don't have to be 4wd but you have to be a tad more cautious, plus we only did it for about 30 minutes and didn't get to try other drivetrains.
Oh and BobK thanks for saying that, I know quite a few people do rally with that but what about the Silverado?

 

[bennyrrr]

I personally love modding out a Prius and rallying it. Its a blast.

 

[94_XJ]

Chevelle SS 454 is a blast!!

Why oh why did my dad sell his?

 

[shabba]

Now I didn't know that Porsche had done anything in rally

They had the 959 rally car, which raced in the Dakar rally in the eighties. Awesome car!

 

[Grayman222]

In my limited GT4 rally experiance I liked the skylines on hard because the all wheel drive actually tried to follow where I pointed it so the butter covered ice surface wasn't so bad.

 

[shabba]

In my limited GT4 rally experiance I liked the skylines on hard because the all wheel drive actually tried to follow where I pointed it so the butter covered ice surface wasn't so bad.

Do you use the standard centre differential or the bought one?

Too bad you can't rally race the 787B - that's one I'd love to try!

 

[Grayman222]

standard, i assume it's the attessa(sp?) system doing what it should. Although I'm still not a great rally driver on any of the harder level new tracks. The easy ones like swiss alps I am fine on but cathedral or grand canyon takes me having a horribly outclassing car and very slow driving for that vehicle.

I'll do some rallying now to see what i think.

 

[Grayman222]

GT-R M-spec Nur 02 1'40.155, the car wasn't fresh it was out of the garage, 345hp but looked stock, probably had some wear in. As long as I didn't go overboard with flicking it the car handled very predictably on swiss alps. Just prior I only turned a 1'37.759 in a 01 subaru rally car. Best of 2 laps each.

From my last driven data I must have been using the MINEs skyline for rallying, everything else had a 50+ last driven stat.

 

[shabba]

The standard centre diff in the skyline would make it interesting. Most of the time it runs in RWD mode (well, about 10%fr 90%rr torque split), and progressively locks up to 50/50 when wheelspin is detected. I would think in real life that it would make the car's handling somewhat unpredictable in rally style driving. The thing would oversteer like a RWD, then grab like an AWD and probably powerslide sideways. Could be fun!

 

[Thatman]

Well not necessarily whether in real life or GT4 on dirt or gravel the wheel spin is almost always constant so it would more than likely be an AWD for the entire time.

 

[samj_13]

They had the 959 rally car, which raced in the Dakar rally in the eighties. Awesome car!

Insanity at it's most unusual.

 

[Metar]

They had the 959 rally car, which raced in the Dakar rally in the eighties. Awesome car!

RUF also ran some 4WD 911s on Pikes Peak, there's a video of one - a CTR. What's that whistle-like sound?

One of the GTP members posted about his rally-race adventures, where a '70s 911 RWD Porsche drove.

After all, a rear-positioned engine with 4WD provides plenty of rear-end grip, and the heavy tail makes sliding around easy. Dr. Porsche stuck the engine on the wrong end, and managed to make a great car out of it.
RRs were often used in Rally before the Quattro revolution - the generations of Alpines, which originally were built by a Renault dealer who modified 4s for rally-racing, were RR. The Lancia Stratos, a highly-successfull rally-car, was MR, but had many of the RR characteristics.

 

[Sharky.]

You should be trying out Vipers

Incidentally, I ran the SRT-10 @ Grand Canyon in arcade mode yesterday... a surprisingly good rally car

 

[samj_13]

RUF also ran some 4WD 911s on Pikes Peak, there's a video of one - a CTR. What's that whistle-like sound?

I believe that is the blow-off valve for the turbo when it shifts. I may be wrong though.

 

[Metar]

I believe that is the blow-off valve for the turbo when it shifts. I may be wrong though.

Then, judging by the amount of whistles, it has 20+ gears


I ran the Peogeut 106 around Grand Canyon, and for an FF, it's really nice...

 

[Werner Winkels]

Hi,
I love the Volkswagen Beetle RSI on Rally Tracks

 

[A17]

Do you use the standard centre differential or the bought one?

Too bad you can't rally race the 787B - that's one I'd love to try!

no you wouldn't..all that power leads to no grip on rear tires, its like no tcs on road. Secondly your car'll spin out easily because its an MR. Try the lancia stratos first.

also, you can go try the RX-7, haha Im amazed that GT4 gives almost every car offroad tires.. like before it had to be like 4wds and certain other cars that had off road tires...

 

[ChromeBallz]

A '98 3000GT is an awesome rally car. When tuned fully (871 bhp) it's probably even better than the existing WRC's... Even the Escudo.

 

[GT4_Rule]

A bit OT but if you use the Dodge Ram to annihilate opponents in Special Hall, did anybody give any tuning or just an oil change and dirt tires?