Nos in gt5

[SuperCobraJet]

I think most people know that . It's a question of being indifferent over the use of using that brand to represent the system or not.

Here here! Bring on the NOS.

 

[magicalgin]

Why not? I don't see any problems in it as long as you have a limited amount of nitrous-oxide like in GT4. It's just like KERS/powerboost.

 

[The_Paladin]

I hope not, i dont like it, it feels like cheating, specially since the AI doesnt have it and i dont want the AI having it either.

 

[Tornado]

You know, even if people want to whine specifically about keeping things from being in the GT games just because they don't like them, I would rather they refrained from voicing the want to remove things from GT5 that were already in the series.

As long as you don't pour it in the tank thinking it's an octane booster, you should be fine.

That link gave this awesome:

NOS fuel additive is 95% kerosene. You just poured nearly a quart of kerosene into your tank.

Although you may want to check your owner's manual, I'm pretty sure your bike was not designed to run on - what is effectively - diesel fuel.

 

[Jim Prower]

The nitrous in GT4 was about a 50-shot, and pretty reasonable. It didn't matter to me, so long as it never, ever becomes one of those Fast&Furious OMG NAWSSSSSZZZZZ things. Car shouldn't spit fire out the tailpipe and go into warp drive just because you push a button.

There's Push2Pass things now in many Formula series such as Formula Nippon, and formerly CART. Not sure if IRL has that now. I could see overboost functions coming into play in some series, and it wouldn't necessarily have to be Nitrous.

Another thing that may prevent abuse...engine damage. If you're too happy with the spray, and don't watch the temp gauge, Bam. Rod thru the block.

Now, if we have proper, DRAG RACING Nitrous, (as in, automatic, 2-step system that runs like a subtitute blower all the way down 1/4 mile,) I'd like to see that. Especially in a Pro-Mod type setup. 6-second pass, anyone? >:3

 

[TokyoDrift]

Not really, quite the opposite. In my opinion, it is more about people who, understandably, get a bit annoyed by the use of a brand name which is substituted for the actual product. A substitution that came about as the result of product placement in a cheesy movie, at that. After said movie came out, many of the younger crowd found it "cool" to use the term and felt that it showed that they had "superior knowledge." In fact, what had happened was that these people had swallowed the cheesy product placement and the endless repetition of the "word" hook, line, and sinker.

Like I said, who cares? If people want to "understandably" get annoyed by the use of a related brand, that's their issue.

The fact is, NOS is taken in context as nitrous oxide, so why cry about it?

 

[Jdm_209]

I hope there is Nitrous Oxide, then if we do get drag i can use it and make faster and lower times.

 

[Kryz11]

As long NOS can break your engine after excessive use, I am in for it.

 

[rookiebalboa]

if people are worried about ricers in the game, why were so many people happy with the prospect of a livery-editor? because that had no chance of abuse! besides, I'm looking forward to ricing cars to 'Da Max Man!'

 

[Jim Prower]

As long NOS can break your engine after excessive use, I am in for it.

Well, stuff like not getting the proper cooling setup to handle your modifications, too. The main reason you have Nitrous meltdowns is overheating...and other types of engine blowups as well.

You burn more fuel/air, you make more power, you also make more heat. All that heat must go somewhere...better to your radiators and into the air than to your crank, rods, and other things that can break.

 

[Perkel]

in gt4 it was too much handicap for all cars. In low class races when you buy no it's a clear win no skill.

I think NO should be used only in drag races on top class.

 

[mafia_boy]

The nitrous in GT4 was about a 50-shot

it was a very limited system in that only the smaller engined cars (4cyl & rotaries) got the full 100hp, whereas the sixes got 70hp and the V8's/V12's only got 50hp.

 

[Metfanant]

Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune...

anyways...i say why not allow it? its not "cheating" anymore than any other power adders like turbos or superchargers are....

 

[niky]

Who cares when clearly EVERYBODY knows what is being referred to? It's the insecure pedantics out to try and prove their superior knowledge that ruin threads like this.

Nope. Not all sodas are Cokes. Not all photocopies are Xeroxes. Not all MP3 players are iPods. Of course, the fact that my favourite shop sells Nitrous Express doesn't help matters, either.

It also irritates the hell out of me when people ask me about JASMA mufflers. It's not a brand. It's not even a guarantee of high performance. It just means the stupid thing meets the emissions standards set by the Japanese government.

For clarity's sake, a spade is a spade, a trowel is a trowel, a spork is a spork, and no matter how BMW may want us to change the term, an SAV is still an SUV.

Not really, quite the opposite. In my opinion, it is more about people who, understandably, get a bit annoyed by the use of a brand name which is substituted for the actual product. A substitution that came about as the result of product placement in a cheesy movie, at that. After said movie came out, many of the younger crowd found it "cool" to use the term and felt that it showed that they had "superior knowledge." In fact, what had happened was that these people had swallowed the cheesy product placement and the endless repetition of the "word" hook, line, and sinker.

And, let's note.... said product has never been in Gran Turismo and is not currently affiliated with PD... there's not much hope of it being in GT5.

We're still likely to get Nitrous, though.

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It could be allowed under specific circumstances... but it's really just a one-shot deal in most races... if everyone has it, no one gains an advantage, except tactically... if you save yours for the right time, when everyone else has exhausted theirs... you can win. Contrawise... if you use it properly at the start of the race, and get clear of the pack and don't have to put up with dicing for position, you can win by a landslide.

I didn't use nitrous much in GT4... kind of pointless, and it allowed me to be sloppy by covering up my mistakes... but it is legal in many real world events which are not technically limited like touring or formula cars... and it would be an interesting addition to online racing, as long as restrictions are put in place.

 

[Tornado]

It also irritates the hell out of me when people ask me about JASMA mufflers. It's not a brand. It's not even a guarantee of high performance. It just means the stupid thing meets the emissions standards set by the Japanese government.

Or how any car from imported from Japan for sale in other countries is JDM. Even the ones that were considerably modified when they were sold elsewhere.

 

[mafia_boy]

Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune...

Try bolting a 100hp kit on a stock 4cyl in real life like you can on GT4....sure it will run a few times, but it doesn't make it reliable. More than likely you will lean out the cylinders and watch the motor go BANG! I've seen it happen a couple of times with people putting 100hp nitrous kits on BMW M3's and watched them pop within 3 runs, both times!

anyways...i say why not allow it? its not "cheating" anymore than any other power adders like turbos or superchargers are....

It is when you can use it and the others can't, that's what the others are getting at. But I felt it was a great addition as it allowed us to go quicker in the sprints than ever before.

 

[Tornado]

It is when you can use it and the others can't, that's what the others are getting at.

True, but the AI is so incompetent most of the time that the simple act of being a human player is practically cheating.

 

[niky]

True, but the AI is so incompetent most of the time that the simple act of being a human player is practically cheating.

 

[ralph89]

Nitrous oxide is fun to use some times, but when GT5 comes out where serious racing is coming, there should be an option to weather to use it or not.


P.S. This video

 

[MisterSTig]

Wow I cannot believe these forums are running with no knowledge about cars whatsoever except a stupid Fast & Furious movies.

Metfanant, I really hope you are kidding with this statement

"Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune..."

Nitrous oxide will definitely destroy an engine quickly. You have to have a stronger pistons, change the timing, have a bigger camshafts, reflash the ECU, etc. You don't just bolt a pair of N20 on a car and thing it will magically fly ESPECIALLY on any forced induction.

TokyoDrift do not be ignorant. NOS is a brand. Nitrous Oxide or N20 is a proper name for it. Having knowledge is not a bad thing, it's actually reverse. The kind of people that destroys a forum is people like you that has clueless idea on what the hell you are talking about. As far as your name goes, "TokyoDrift", it really shows how much you know cars just by watching that stupid movie that absolutely has no facts whatsoever about cars.

As per general knowledge, holding nitrous oxide for a long period of time even if you got the lowest shot will blow any engine that is not equipped for racing (i.e. forged pistons). Nitrous Oxide is not combustible, it allows more oxygen and fuel to a more powerful combustion. Calling it NOS (pronouncing it "naws) make you sound ignorant when referring to N20 in front of a automotive enthusiast. The term "ricer" will fit you this bill.

 

[d3br34k5]

Anyone who actually works on cars must be laughing at this thread.

On topic, I have no problem with any kind of HP increasing bolt-on kit being included for use with Gran Turismo 5 as long as the damage system accounts for engines that aren't up to snuff for the HP bolt-on.

If the only upgrades to your Civic SiR are a twin turbo kit and nitrous boost, well, you might make it through a few laps... and then your pit crew can explain to you why there's a melted piston and a cracked block under the hood, yo.

I really don't think there's any need to get so worked up about this.

 

[Metfanant]

Wow I cannot believe these forums are running with no knowledge about cars whatsoever except a stupid Fast & Furious movies.

Metfanant, I really hope you are kidding with this statement

"Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune..."

Nitrous oxide will definitely destroy an engine quickly. You have to have a stronger pistons, change the timing, have a bigger camshafts, reflash the ECU, etc. You don't just bolt a pair of N20 on a car and thing it will magically fly ESPECIALLY on any forced induction.

notice i didn't say it wouldn't hurt your motor...what i said was it wouldn't hurt your motor any MORE than other forms of forced induction....

notice i also included "its all about the proper tune..." meaning tuning the engine....including all of your reflashing and timing etc...

i know PLENTY of cars running NO2 on totally stock motors. As long as you don't overdo the jetting on the nitrous kit you are plenty safe...you always have to compensate with the proper fuel and timing levels, thas is obvious, but the SAME can be said for any other form of forced induction....

of course your infinite knowledge of cars must have pushed your reading comprehension skills out of the way

 

[Jay]

Wow I cannot believe these forums are running with no knowledge about cars whatsoever except a stupid Fast & Furious movies.

GT fans must have in depth knowledge of tuning? I can see a few people in this thread who do know quite a bit about indepth tuning.


Nitrous Oxide (in engine applications) is a oxygen supply as is Turbocharging and Supercharging though N2O supplies a higher concentration of oxygen than air but in all cases the engine gets more oxygen. To support this extra oxygen you need correct fueling otherwise you will lean the engine and cause hot combustion temps (reason for overfuelling and timing changes). In the end the power increase will cause extra wear/tear and stress on the mechanical parts like pretty much any power increasing method, some engines can cope with a fair amount of extra stresses (to a point) and some can't take so much in standard form.

I have played around with all these tuning methods many times myself (in real life) and adding Nitrous Oxide or any forced induction doesn't automatically require forged pistons among other parts and it is silly to act like this is the case. It is all about a proper tune as Metfanant put it until the stresses exceed the capability of the mechanical parts, which is often a good amount more than standard power but this isn't limited to Nitrous Oxide induction.

Running a 50 wetshot of Nitrous on most engines above 2.0L (even more with larger engines) for extended periods (timing adjusted for any knock) of time is usually just fine unless the engine has bad design fault. Nitrous Oxide Systems even give you a list or recommended safe shots for standard engines.

 

[Metfanant]

Wow I cannot believe these forums are running with no knowledge about cars whatsoever except a stupid Fast & Furious movies.

Metfanant, I really hope you are kidding with this statement

"Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune..."

Nitrous oxide will definitely destroy an engine quickly. You have to have a stronger pistons, change the timing, have a bigger camshafts, reflash the ECU, etc. You don't just bolt a pair of N20 on a car and thing it will magically fly ESPECIALLY on any forced induction.

notice i didn't say it wouldn't hurt your motor...what i said was it wouldn't hurt your motor any MORE than other forms of forced induction....

notice i also included "its all about the proper tune..." meaning tuning the engine....including all of your reflashing and timing etc...

i know PLENTY of cars running NO2 on totally stock motors. As long as you don't overdo the jetting on the nitrous kit you are plenty safe...you always have to compensate with the proper fuel and timing levels, thas is obvious, but the SAME can be said for any other form of forced induction....

of course your infinite knowledge of cars must have pushed your reading comprehension skills out of the way

As far as your name goes, "TokyoDrift", it really shows how much you know cars just by watching that stupid movie that absolutely has no facts whatsoever about cars.

oh come on man...no need to go there about someone's name lol. One could say the same thing about naming yourself after character on a TV show that is more about entertainment then the cars....

As per general knowledge, holding nitrous oxide for a long period of time even if you got the lowest shot will blow any engine that is not equipped for racing (i.e. forged pistons).

are you trying to flex your car knowledge muscles or something? nobody is arguing this point at all...

Anyone who actually works on cars must be laughing at this thread.

On topic, I have no problem with any kind of HP increasing bolt-on kit being included for use with Gran Turismo 5 as long as the damage system accounts for engines that aren't up to snuff for the HP bolt-on.

If the only upgrades to your Civic SiR are a twin turbo kit and nitrous boost, well, you might make it through a few laps... and then your pit crew can explain to you why there's a melted piston and a cracked block under the hood, yo.

I really don't think there's any need to get so worked up about this.

you know this is never going to happen...I just don't see the damage model taking this into account in a console game it would just lead to to much frustration and nonsense for a console racer...

Try bolting a 100hp kit on a stock 4cyl in real life like you can on GT4....sure it will run a few times, but it doesn't make it reliable. More than likely you will lean out the cylinders and watch the motor go BANG! I've seen it happen a couple of times with people putting 100hp nitrous kits on BMW M3's and watched them pop within 3 runs, both times!

totally agree...but it would be no worse than slapping on a turbocharger and cranking to boost up to 20psi....my statement was that NO2 is not going to cause more harm that the other types of power adders out there...NO2 is just as safe and reliable as those if done properly...

 

[MisterSTig]

GT fans must have in depth knowledge of tuning? I can see a few people in this thread who do know quite a bit about indepth tuning.

I have played around with all these tuning methods many times myself (in real life) and adding Nitrous Oxide or any forced induction doesn't automatically require forged pistons among other parts and it is silly to act like this is the case. It is all about a proper tune as Metfanant put it until the stresses exceed the capability of the mechanical parts, which is often a good amount more than standard power but this isn't limited to Nitrous Oxide induction.

Running a 50 wetshot of Nitrous on most engines above 2.0L (even more with larger engines) for extended periods (timing adjusted for any knock) of time is usually just fine unless the engine has bad design fault. Nitrous Oxide Systems even give you a list or recommended safe shots for standard engines.

I typed that in relevance to people who think they are right. Yes you are right, running a 50 wetshot or dryshot will not instantly hurt the engine in the span of the life of ownership of that car but it will wear out faster which leads to damage because a standard parts in most vehicles are only produced to handle the manufacturer specifications with 10% tolerance. Safe shots ratings is their way of telling consumers it will not damage your motor instantly, only slowly. Plus I was telling it by ways of the videogame which you have a cool amount of time to use it.

notice i didn't say it wouldn't hurt your motor...what i said was it wouldn't hurt your motor any MORE than other forms of forced induction....

notice i also included "its all about the proper tune..." meaning tuning the engine....including all of your reflashing and timing etc...

i know PLENTY of cars running NO2 on totally stock motors. As long as you don't overdo the jetting on the nitrous kit you are plenty safe...you always have to compensate with the proper fuel and timing levels, thas is obvious, but the SAME can be said for any other form of forced induction....

of course your infinite knowledge of cars must have pushed your reading comprehension skills out of the way

I read it as how it's typed. Retrofitting the meaning of that statement is a whole different ball game. My comprehension is fine, it's the way you executed
your meaning.

oh come on man...no need to go there about someone's name lol. One could say the same thing about naming yourself after character on a TV show that is more about entertainment then the cars....

My name has absolutely have no relavance of what I was infering. Tokyo Drift refers to the movie F&F Tokyo Drift which then leads to ignorance of teenages who thinks NOS is the proper name of N20, think it will blow up like a gas tank, putting a rear spoiler on FWD car helps with downforce, etc. The Stig totally contradict the whole point.... get it?

are you trying to flex your car knowledge muscles or something? nobody is arguing this point at all...

My car knowledge? Notice "As per general knowledge"
What happen to comprehension skills?

 

[mafia_boy]

True, but the AI is so incompetent most of the time that the simple act of being a human player is practically cheating.

So so true. The only way you can play at the AI's level is if you are currently in a coma.

As for the N2O argument....I've done both the N2O & turbo routes. I went for nitrous first with my G180 powered Gemini. A 100hp dry kit by MaddeNitrous (afterwards known as OzNos) was fitted with the jets on a pretty hard setting. We knew the pistons of the Isuzu motors wouldn't handle this pressure, so we switched to a set of Arias pistons and dropped the compression a fair bit (down to 8.4:1) to give more compensation for the motor. Sure, it made it a bit of a low speed pig to drive but we only cruised in it on the street but once it was purged and hit we had no worries about the speed pickup. We ended up dyno'ing the motor. Off bottle = 140hp. On bottle = 245hp! We actually ran a best of 13.54@104mph, and that's with an automatic (we swapped it from manual to auto!) so you can imagine the 60ft times weren't the quickest.

So been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I actually would love to put N2O on the Cressy but that would be after some major work to it, even though it's been proven that 1JZ's and 2JZ's can handle a bit of nitrous to the stock motors, it's just that extra piece of security! 👍

 

[Liikuid]

The horror of losing to the AI by a lap in 'Like The Wind' just because you can't afford NOS

i think Nos = NFS (races of streets).
but Gran turismo, hmm i don't know.

Link removed by staff.

 

[S13DRIFTSPEC]

Yes I want NOS in. Man you don't even gotta ask. NOS you guys know what I'm talking about right? The drink. I want to see the drivers in GT drinking it out of a straw. and after they're done drinking it I want some animations with the drivers hand gripping the steering wheel tighter. Oh PD can add some PSSSHHHHHEWWW sounds too that would be totally awesome bro yo.

But seriously drag racing yes circuits no.

 

[jedaye]

I want NOS. If it's used in Online Events then it will making it more challenging. I'm sure users will have the option of chosing weather to use NOS or not in Private Races.

 

[Metfanant]

I typed that in relevance to people who think they are right. Yes you are right, running a 50 wetshot or dryshot will not instantly hurt the engine in the span of the life of ownership of that car but it will wear out faster which leads to damage because a standard parts in most vehicles are only produced to handle the manufacturer specifications with 10% tolerance. Safe shots ratings is their way of telling consumers it will not damage your motor instantly, only slowly. Plus I was telling it by ways of the videogame which you have a cool amount of time to use it.

i think you are talking in WAY to general of terms. First i would love to see where this 10% increase in HP number comes from as im sure you made it up, and in all honesty NO2 does not necessarily have to damage your engine even "slowly" as you put it. While in general more power=more heat=more stress=more wear, this does not automatically mean your car is slowly being damaged. Heck, if you want to get technical every time you start your car you are slowly damaging your car.

so...breaking news...if you have a performance car and don't want to blow up your engine...DON'T TURN IT ON!

I read it as how it's typed. Retrofitting the meaning of that statement is a whole different ball game. My comprehension is fine, it's the way you executed
your meaning.

Oh please, you were just wrong and don't want to admit it...

Lets try it again...

"Nitrous Oxide won't destroy your engine any more than bolting on a pair of turbos or a supercharger would its all about the proper tune..."

there is ABSOLUTELY no way to infer from that statement that i was implying that nitrous would not destroy your engine. It is 100% clear that i said it wouldn't damage your engine any more than a turbo or supercharger, plain and simple. I then added "its all about the proper tune..." meaning that the relative safety of running modifications is all about how well the car is tuned...

My name has absolutely have no relavance of what I was infering.

it most certainly does, but ill get there in a second...

Tokyo Drift refers to the movie F&F Tokyo Drift

really? would have never guessed

which then leads to ignorance of teenages

WRONG, there is nothing wrong with enjoying the movie or even having a forum name based on it. it does not in anyway mean you are ignorant.

think it will blow up like a gas tank,

it won't blow up because the gas is not flammable, but it will break down at high temperatures and cause a release of oxygen gas which can cause quite an explosion...

putting a rear spoiler on FWD car helps with downforce,

it MOST CERTAINLY DOES...shows how much you know.

The Stig totally contradict the whole point.... get it?

No I don't get it because YOU don't get it. If it is ok for you to jump to the conclusion that someone is ignorant simply because their name is "Tokyo Drift" then i will jump to the conclusion that you are ignorant about cars because you like a show that is more about making you laugh then real automotive journalism.

My car knowledge? Notice "As per general knowledge"
What happen to comprehension skills?

"General Knowledge" is certainly a relative term. If you want to get technical I wouldn't put anything automotive in the "general knowledge" category because the average person knows VERY little about cars, especially how nitrous oxide works. It is "general knowledge" in my group of friends, about how to build and properly setup a computer. How to install and calibrate home theater equipment and other tech goodies....but I wouldn't consider ANY of that to be general knowledge for anyone.