Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
One hopes so. And honestly, with the mess that is the GOP nomination, I'm really thinking that our only hope is Obama. The man makes a lot of sense right now, and I really don't think that it matters what your party affiliation is. Other than Ron Paul, he seems like the only one who supports and wishes to protect your civil rights, calls for a reasonable solution to the tax and health care problems, and actually has a plan to get us out of Iraq.

I'm literally about this close to joining the Republicans for Obama group, because I really find it hard to "trust" McCain... And certainly I can't fathom voting for Romney.
 
Woah woah waoh there!!! Back the trolley up a second. That's crazy talk that is.

Yeah, indeed.

YSSMAN, Obama and Hillary are practically the same. The only difference between them is that Hillary would still keep fighting around the world to keep the oil-producing countries trading in dollars. Obama's gonna start war and nation-building in Pakistan and will probably collapse the petrodollar with no type of monetary reform. His civil liberties "protections" don't mean squat if he's a bloody socialist. He also voted for the Patriot act, remember?
 
Woah woah waoh there!!! Back the trolley up a second. That's crazy talk that is.

Crazy, yes, I know. And I hate the fact that at least for me, Obama comes off as the best alternative knowing that Paul won't get the nomination. I've met McCain, hes a nice guy, but I don't think he'll do much. Many of you are aware of how much I dislike Romney. As for Huckabee, yeah, hes pretty much out as well...

Sure, I've got a while to think about it, but I'm personally hoping to see a run between Obama and McCain. Maybe ol' Jon will woo me eventually (I don't want socialized heathcare, but someone who says that we'll spend "100 years in Iraq" scares the hell out of me), I dunno.

Otherwise, I can just hope that Bloomberg runs as an independent candidate. Of course, that is pretty much a guarantee for the Democrats to win anyway. Like I have joked in my political science classes, this is becoming a race to see who can lose to the Democrats, I think. Barring any major foreign policy disaster or terrorist act, I'm having a hard time seeing the GOP take this one.
 
Paul just nabbed 3 delegates by cutting a deal with Huckabee to win West Virginia. I swears, we are like the mafia getting things done in the shadows with this media brown-out. Final score is Huck - 15, Paul - 3, McCromney - 0.
 
Huckabee is starting to talk like Ron Paul. (I'm watching his speech on MSNBC) Could we see a Huckabee/Paul Ticket?
 
I still wouldn't vote for Huckabee even if Paul was his running mate. I do not like the idea of a bible thumping minister in the White House. I mean the man believes in Biblical inerrancy for Pete sake, I honestly would rather have Hilary running the country.
 
I doubt it. McCain/Huck is more likely. Paul won't endorse anyone unless their views are parallel.

The news channels don't even put Ron's face on the screen any more. If I ever run for President, I'll make sure I never have his managers working for me.

Now all I can do is hope and pray for a brokered convention while crapping my pants over November like Danoff.
 
So as of right now....

Clinton leads Obama in the delegate count

Hilary: 306
Obama: 235

Its going to be a tight race, particularly if California tilts more to Obama. I'd hope the Democrats are smart enough to nominate the better candidate, Hillary is just too polarizing to have a chance against McCain...

And the Republicans?

McCain: 406
Romney: 151
Huckabee: 93
Paul: 6

I think its fairly clear who the GOP nominee will be...
 
So as of right now....

Clinton leads Obama in the delegate count

Hilary: 306
Obama: 235

Its going to be a tight race, particularly if California tilts more to Obama. I'd hope the Democrats are smart enough to nominate the better candidate, Hillary is just too polarizing to have a chance against McCain...

And the Republicans?

McCain: 406
Romney: 151
Huckabee: 93
Paul: 6

I think its fairly clear who the GOP nominee will be...

I don't think the delegates are committed yet.
 
I absolutely hate saying this, but the American people are so adamant against real freedom that I think I might have to start supporting the gridlock strategy – vote for the most inflammatory candidate whom Congress will disagree with most so that any new legislation gets stalled. New legislation generally means fewer civil liberties, so in an election where people aren’t going to vote explicitly for freedom, we might have to vote implicitly against legislation…
 
Yeah, this country is turning into a ultra-socialist hell hole.

Now we need more good senators: The Filibusters.
 
I've never seen Ron Paul on the news in the several weeks this has been running, McCain looks in a strong position. I think he'll be the next president.
 
As for Huckabee, yeah, hes pretty much out as well...

"Chuck Norris' support couldn't save Mike Huckabee's campaign. Jack Bauer's would have made him Supreme President of the Universe."
 
I've never seen Ron Paul on the news in the several weeks this has been running, McCain looks in a strong position. I think he'll be the next president.
This is true... literally the only mention of Ron Paul I have seen on British television thus far has been to mention his fervent supporters - and the fact that both Paul and Huckabee pretty much failed to get a word in edgeways in the live debate with McCain and Romney last week. Personally, I'd be happy to see McCain get the nomination - anyone but Huckabee, atleast. Although I'd like to see someone like Ron Paul enjoy some success, he was never likely to be a serious option. Perhaps he will be able to exert more influence in the behind-the-scenes type role he has had in the past.
 
Well, lets look at it this way: Ron Paul got people excited in politics again, introduced new ideas into the mainstream, and people can now take them to heart and hopefully make a better decision as to who they want as President. I really can't feel too bad about that, but of course, I'd rather have him be President than anyone else.

McCain honestly won't be a bad nominee for the GOP, I think. He generally seems to care and know enough about my three E's (Economy, Education, Environment) and should handle the war better than Bush (one hopes) and certainly better than the "just pull out" attitude that the Democrats have. The problem is, his vision of war is too far extended, and I don't like that.

I honestly don't find Obama that offensive, at all. He makes a lot of sense when he speaks about the various issues facing the country, and while sure I don't care much for his healthcare plan or his immigration policies, I'm finding it hard to not like him. We'll see where the nominations go. If Hillary gets the nod, yes, I'm going GOP no matter what. With Obama, I may drift a bit...
 
I honestly don't find Obama that offensive, at all. He makes a lot of sense when he speaks about the various issues facing the country, and while sure I don't care much for his healthcare plan or his immigration policies, I'm finding it hard to not like him.

He's charismatic. He speaks well. He's clean and articulate ;). I like him. He's tough not to like. Still don't want him in the white house though - there's almost nothing about his policies that I like (except that they're better than Hillary's).

Obama is a way better at speaking than Ron Paul. He's much more professional looking and sounding. He's also 100 times more likeable than Ron Paul. It just that most of what he says (charismatically) happens to be dead wrong. So I'd much rather have Ron Paul.
 
I wouldn't say hes wrong on everything, but there certainly are some policies where he could use a cleanup to make himself more appealing. I'd say that if he teamed up with Edwards for a run at the White House, it would be very hard for most Americans to ignore...
 
Um, Edwards is a socialist, period, full stop. And Obama leans awfully close to that line. I don’t think you could find any two candidates running a more anti-Ron Paul (AKA anti-Libertarian) campaign than those two, except on account of foreign policy. Obama’s domestic policy absolutely terrifies me.
 
Well, yes and no. You've got to remember that Ron Paul is indeed a fringe candidate. Socialist or not, people are demanding change from their government. Healthcare is getting expensive, people are running out of money, and they (unfortunately) only want to turn to government to make it better. The hurdle, as always, is congress and thankfully we can assume that much of what Obama and Edwards speak of likely wouldn't fly too well into the Senate. As for the house, well, thats a bit harder to predict...

Unfortunately, we as Republicans have to either adjust to the needs of the people or fade into oblivion. Its as easy as that. Bush has done a magnificent job of destroying all of what was good about our party, really a tragic case of what his administration could have been, and unfortunately was not. McCain is going to have to drift a bit more to the left if he wants more of the "average American" votes, I think, and may have to let up on the big-stick foreign policy a bit.

Its a mess. One hopes we don't have a repeat of 2000 all over again come November...

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I think my problem is that I've spent a lot of time looking at whats going on in this country, listening to some of the different candidates, and finding out that the answers aren't as easy as one would like. I'm far more moderate than what I was even a year ago, presumably because I've been so alienated by the stupidity of the GOP on almost every level. Maybe I'm in a unique position because I'm stuck in Michigan, where we've been in a constant recession since 1999/2000, and no one is giving us answers. Maybe its because I've finally got enough of an education and finally have the tools to rationalize what the hell the candidates are talking about... But I take a look at what say Romney talks about, and you automatically identity it as broken domestic and foreign policies. McCain certainly does a lot better, but I still don't think that what he talks about is enough to satisfy the change that is needed in our country. I'd love to have Ron Paul's ideals set the country on the right path, but in the state we're in now, its far too radical to work properly without a major shakeup of everything in the government... My heart completely agrees with him, rational thought does as well, but unfortunately the reality of the situation does not.

So what am I getting at?

Well, even I'm not sure. I think its important that we all collectively as Americans sit down and think about whats important not just to us, but collectively as a nation on this Earth. Issues like poverty, disease, and the struggle of the middle-class is something that I'm begining to deal with everyday, and I'm sure that would be very different by comparison to someone who lives in SoCal, Tennessee, or Maine. Keeping an open mind about the other guy down the street, or a small family three states away is whats important, not just your own self-interest.

That, unfortunately, is why I'm beginning to lean towards Obama. No, I personally don't like all of his policies, but I can see why they'd be more important to millions of other people beyond myself. Maybe that makes me a populist, I don't know, but I want to have a collective effort to make our country better... God knows we need it now.
 
Issues like poverty, disease, and the struggle of the middle-class is something that I'm begining to deal with everyday

What does that have to do with the presidential candidate? The fact that you're looking for "answers" or solutions from the president on these issues suggests that you've already lost sight of the constitution and what the role of government really is.


YSSMAN
No, I personally don't like all of his policies, but I can see why they'd be more important to millions of other people beyond myself.

Millions of people can be dead wrong about what the proper role of government is.
 
Clearly I must have. I don't like having the government being overly involved with everything, but unfortunately, we must also make the best use of the tools of government by which to deal with whats going on in our country. Roosevelt (Teddy) had it right when he wanted to rationally run government to best address the needs of the people, but without coddling them. Unfortunately, no one really lives up to those principles any longer.

We're in a tough spot, simply put. None of the solutions are perfect, unfortunately.

If anything, power needs to be placed back into the hands of congress (away from the President), and the needs of the people need to be better addressed through rational legislation. That, unfortunately, is hoping for too much, I'm afraid.
 
Clearly I must have. I don't like having the government being overly involved with everything, but unfortunately, we must also make the best use of the tools of government by which to deal with whats going on in our country.

Within the limits of the constitution... for a lot of very good reasons.
 
Exactly... Which is why we need to find a way to clone Teddy Roosevelt and re-install him as the 44th President of the United States!
 
Exactly... Which is why we need to find a way to clone Teddy Roosevelt and re-install him as the 44th President of the United States!

Problem is that just about everything Obama advocates goes against the constitution and ignores all of the good reasons why the constitution prohibits those things in the first place.
 
Care to elaborate?

Take a look at any modern President and you're likely to find that the majority of what they do is actually unconstitutional, I don't think any of the candidates outside of Ron Paul plan to follow the constitution word-for-word. Lets be honest with ourselves for a second, if we did, we likely wouldn't be nearly as prosperous as we are today.

I'm in full support of reeling back the size and power of the federal government, its something that should have been done decades ago, but its also important to realize that we probably won't be able to reverse much with the current state of not just our country, but the world we live in.
 
Take a look at any modern President and you're likely to find that the majority of what they do is actually unconstitutional, I don't think any of the candidates outside of Ron Paul plan to follow the constitution word-for-word. Lets be honest with ourselves for a second, if we did, we likely wouldn't be nearly as prosperous as we are today.

I think I need you to elaborate. What is it that is unconstitutional that you think we rely upon for prosperity?
 
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